Will Boeheim win another title?

[SUbear]

Its not looking good

I do not know, but Boeheims teams as a general rule are good early and tend to fade as the season goes forward. This suggests his teams do not improve their play vis a vis others as the season progresses. This years team topped out performance wise with the first Duke game. Classic swoon down the stretch.
Lately injuries and depth have played a large role in the fades. (Discounting Fabs completely blowing up one promising season.). It just seems there is always something that goes wrong.
It took him about thirty years to win one title I do not think he has enough time left to get another at that pace, but hope I am wrong.

 

[Millhouse]

he's going to need to land a megastar to do it because he's not going to outwork the rest of the coaching field, that's for sure

 

[Mano22]

Do you mean "variance" as in statistics? Success of Orange basketball per year is too small of a sample. When I play craps at the casino, there are many times where my best success comes from winning 4/10 bets! One time a guy took one look at me rolling and put $100 on Don't Pass with the 4 being point. I then went on a 30 minute roll and ended with me getting the point! With all his fancy cloths I ended up with his money!

Hah, yes. My point exactly. 1 year is too small of a sample, let alone 1 tourney or 1 game. Many people think we had a terrible year and JB is the worst because of how it ended, but if Ennis's 3 goes in and we beat Stanford these same people would think we had a great season! Similarly if Keith Smart misses that jumper and AO does not go down we have at least 1 more title (and would likely be playing a meh Duke team in the final for another)! There is soooo much luck in this game, especially in a lose and go home format like the NCAA tourney.

 

[two3zone]

I don't seeing us win one without a natural talented center. I love Rak but he's a 4 not a 5.

 

[SUbear]

Hah, yes. My point exactly. 1 year is too small of a sample, let alone 1 tourney or 1 game. Many people think we had a terrible year and JB is the worst because of how it ended, but if Ennis's 3 goes in and we beat Stanford these same people would think we had a great season! Similarly if Keith Smart misses that jumper and AO does not go down we have at least 1 more title (and would likely be playing a meh Duke team in the final for another)! There is soooo much luck in this game, especially in a lose and go home format like the NCAA tourney.

Variance only applies to statistics in random events, basketball games do not fit the criteria of variance, I.e. applies to dice rolls, any events that are controlled by human action or influence are not strictly following the criteria of variance.

 

[SWC75]

It's a narrow window of opportunity at this point. We know he'll be the coach through 2015-16 because he has to be an active coach for the Olympic gig, (would he have to be on board for 2016-17 as well?). I take him on his word that he hasn't set a specific date beyond that but I don't think he'll be a Paterno and coach into his 80's. By the end of the decade Mike Hopkins- or somebody else if Mike gets another job- will be our head coach. We've all seen it takes more than good players and a strong team: everything has to fall into place.

'87 should have been the first one, '03 #2 and I would have liked to have seen what '10 and '12 could have done with their centers.

 

[SWC75]

I'm not writing off Boeheim or saying he should retire


BUTTTTTTT


He blew it this year, i think we all know that deep, deep down.

Here's to next year!

How did he blow the title this year? Was it ours to begin with?

 

[orange_cream]

Would be huge if Ennis and Grant could come back. Realistically I think it wouldn't be out of the question to get production out of Patterson, Johnson, Roberson and Coleman next year that the team really did not get this season. Boeheim typically waits till the second year to play many of his freshman so I would not expect much out of the two frosh unless they need someone to run the point. But, based upon past history, Syracuse should really be looking at the freshman class of last year as additions not the crop coming in. Between Bus, Roberson and Johnson hopefully one of those players can contribute.

But a rotation of Grant, Ennis, Gbinje, Cooney, Coleman, Christmas, Roberson and Patterson would be pretty nice.

 

[SUGIANT]

Its not looking good

Hey let's ask an 'impossible to answer" question less than 5 days after a disappointing loss in the tourney and see what answers we get. I wonder what the answer would have been after the loss to Richmond? Hmm such a mystery.

His teams are as good as any out there and each year in NCAA BB is just that, one year. Things change from year to year quite a bit. I see no reason he wont win on, or get to a final 4, but who the hell knows? I expect improvement next year like I saw this year and as I see every year. SU was great even though they lost MCW, they'll be good next year also. The world moves on and so will SU BB.

 

[Trueblue25]

How did he blow the title this year? Was it ours to begin with?

Whether people would like to admit it or not, we needed JB to develop a bench for us this year. We lacked depth that other teams had and that cost us. Our players between February and Dayton looked absolutely exhausted. Against BC I believe we had some starters logging over 38 minutes. That should not be happening.

Also people think BJ, Buss and Beast weren't talented enough to play, even just to give starters a brief breather, this year.

BJ, Buss and Roberson could start, or at least play considerable minutes for, and have a successful 4 years on 95% of the teams in the country.

At the end of this year Ennis, Fair and Cooney all looked absolutely beat and exhausted. Are players should be rested and at the top of there game heading into March, what really matters.

 

[HoustonCuse]

this wuz the year. great starting five and great depth. he didn't play some big contributors. he only played his ninth option, keita. what would have Patterson done for a normal coach

This was never the year. Next year was supposed to be the year with Soph Ennis and Jr Grant to go with Sr Xmas and Fr McCullough (plus lots of other goodies). If you want to bash Boeheim, you should be bashing him for not tanking the regular season this year. He won too many games and thus put Ennis and Grant into position to bolt, thus jeopardizing next year. That said,who cares what you think.

 

[SUGIANT]

Whether people would like to admit it or not, we needed JB to develop a bench for us this year. We lacked depth that other teams had and that cost us. Our players between February and Dayton looked absolutely exhausted. Against BC I believe we had some starters logging over 38 minutes. That should not be happening.

Also people think BJ, Buss and Beast weren't talented enough to play, even just to give starters a brief breather, this year.

BJ, Buss and Roberson could start, or at least play considerable minutes for, and have a successful 4 years on 95% of the teams in the country.

At the end of this year Ennis, Fair and Cooney all looked absolutely beat and exhausted. Are players should be rested and at the top of there game heading into March, what really matters.

SU had a bench, went 8 players deep until DC and then Baye got hurt. It's a bunch of crap. IF BC hadn;t gotten hurt they would have had 3 coming off the bench, 4 if you include Roberson.

 

[Trueblue25]

SU had a bench, went 8 players deep until DC and then Baye got hurt. It's a bunch of crap. IF BC hadn;t gotten hurt they would have had 3 coming off the bench, 4 if you include Roberson.

Roberson hardly even counts, he didn't play half the minutes he should have. We had 2 guys off the bench during conference play, two.

BMK and Gbinije.

Thank the lord Gbinije can stretch three positions, otherwise our season would've fallen apart with the lack of minutes BJ and Buss got.

 

[SWC75]

Also people think BJ, Buss and Beast weren't talented enough to play, even just to give starters a brief breather, this year.

BJ, Buss and Roberson could start, or at least play considerable minutes for, and have a successful 4 years on 95% of the teams in the country.

You know this for a fact? Nobody said they aren't talented: that's why they were recruited. That doesn't mean they are able to immediately contribute as freshmen. JB surely gave them every opportunity to "develop". They just didn't do it.

 

[Trueblue25]

You know this for a fact? Nobody said they aren't talented: that's why they were recruited. That doesn't mean they are able to immediately contribute as freshmen. JB surely gave them every opportunity to "develop". They just didn't do it.

Do you know that for a fact?

 

[jncuse]

Assuming he has 5 years left, the odds are certainly against him.

But is there any program in America that you would give a greater than 50% chance of winning one title over the next 5 years. I would not take that a 1:1 bet for any team to win the title at least once over the next 5 years. Certainly there are some programs that have better shot's than Syracuse -- but not that many.

I think the better question would be -- will we have another elite contender. a #1 seed caliber team during JB's remaining tenure. Given that we have had 2#1 seeds the last five years, (and three 3 seeds the last 6 years), I think the odds are good that we will have one elite team over the next 5 years... it's still no given at that point.

 

[SWC75]

Do you know that for a fact?

I assume they were at practice every day. JB said on his show that that is where players develop and that shoving them into games doesn't make up for alack of progress in practice. I'm inclined to accept his judgement on that.

 

[Trueblue25]

I assume they were at practice every day. JB said on his show that that is where players develop and that shoving them into games doesn't make up for alack of progress in practice. I'm inclined to accept his judgement on that.

In game experience is invaluable to a player's development. Granted our freshmen probably face better competition in practice.

JB has been quoted criticizing star ratings and recruiting ratings by saying something along the lines of "They haven't played a minute in college".

 

[EnnisEnvy]

I don't think he does, and I hate to be so pessimistic. There are so many factors that go into it; injuries, player confidence, academics, player development, seeding, upsets or lack thereof. The one that we did win had a superstar blue chipper and a great supporting cast with, IMO, a favorable draw in the tournament. IIRC GMac was not a highly recruited guard coming out of HS, nor was Rautins so I give credit for JB finding some hidden gems and hopefully, he will be able to find some more. I think our chances skyrocket if Grant and Ennis return. Hopefully, the three sophs will develop enough to be real contributors next year. You have to think JB plans on starting them if he was counting on both Grant and Ennis to be gone. Here's to wishin' and hopin'.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

Roberson hardly even counts, he didn't play half the minutes he should have.

How can you possibly make a declarative statement that Roberson should have played more minutes. What are you basing that on?

 

[SUGIANT]

Roberson hardly even counts, he didn't play half the minutes he should have. We had 2 guys off the bench during conference play, two. BMK and Gbinije. Thank the lord Gbinije can stretch three positions, otherwise our season would've fallen apart with the lack of minutes BJ and Buss got.

 

[SWC75]

In game experience is invaluable to a player's development. Granted our freshmen probably face better competition in practice.

JB has been quoted criticizing star ratings and recruiting ratings by saying something along the lines of "They haven't played a minute in college".

They also haven't practiced a minute in college. He wasn't saying that playing time is the key factor in their improvement, (he said on his show that playing a player who isn't ready would cause more damage than good). He was saying that star ratings are based on what they did in high school.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

Roberson hardly even counts, he didn't play half the minutes he should have.

Are you going to give us some rationale behind the Gospel according to Blue?

Love to know why he should have played twice s many minutes as he did...

 

[Trueblue25]

Are you going to give us some rationale behind the Gospel according to Blue?

Love to know why he should have played twice s many minutes as he did...

In my opinion, he was easily talented enough to crack the rotation and contribute. If not as a scorer, then as a rebounder which we struggled with when we lost DCII and then BMK. Lord knows CJ Fair could've used a rest at F too towards the end of the season.

I don't think he should've been playing 25 minutes a game or anything. I think he was easily good enough to log 15 a game though not only because of talent, but to give Fair and Grant rests they needed. CJ was worn down as all hell by the ACC tournament and Grant was injured. Unfortunately Cooney began falling apart around the same time, and G can't play 2 positions at once.

Before you all give me the whole "Well good thing we're coach by a hall of famer and not some moron fan like you" talk, just realize I really don't care. Criticize me all you'd like, it's just my opinion I'm not going to email the team or school about it.

Bench depth is something we struggled with towards the end of the year, and it caused fatigue, defeats and injuries.

If you're telling me Roberson, our top forward recruit, was not good enough to come off the bench just to give a starter a breather...then I'd say that thats partly the coaching's and recruiters faults as well.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

In my opinion, he was easily talented enough to crack the rotation and contribute. If not as a scorer, then as a rebounder which we struggled with when we lost DCII and then BMK. Lord knows CJ Fair could've used a rest at F too towards the end of the season.

I don't think he should've been playing 25 minutes a game or anything. I think he was easily good enough to log 15 a game though not only because of talent, but to give Fair and Grant rests they needed. CJ was worn down as all hell by the ACC tournament and Grant was injured. Unfortunately Cooney began falling apart around the same time, and G can't play 2 positions at once.

Before you all give me the whole "Well good thing we're coach by a hall of famer and not some moron fan like you" talk, just realize I really don't care. Criticize me all you'd like, it's just my opinion I'm not going to email the team or school about it.

Bench depth is something we struggled with towards the end of the year, and it caused fatigue, defeats and injuries.

If you're telling me Roberson, our top forward recruit, was not good enough to come off the bench just to give a starter a breather...then I'd say that thats partly the coaching's and recruiters faults as well.

It was not clear that your OP was an unsubstantiated opinion.

It was written as an emphatic statement.

Big difference.

It is misleading to pass the former off as the latter, don't you think?