WR - Something has to give.

[GoSU96]

Assuming Ishmael signs and everyone returns this is what the WR unit would look like.

1
Ashton Broyld
WR
6/2
221
Jr.
88
Jarrod West
WR
6/2
203
Sr.
2
Quinta Funderburk
WR
6/3
201
Jr.
20
Brisly Estime
WR
5/9
176
So.
82
Alvin Cornelius
WR
6/1
187
So.
22
Adrian Flemming
WR
6/3
200
Sr.
25
Jeremiah Kobena
WR
6/1
182
Sr.
84
Ben Lewis
WR
6/2
194
So.

16
Keenan Hale
WR
6/2
190
Jr.
13
Corey Winfield
WR
6/1
180
RF
83
Sean Avant
WR
5/10
183
RF
x
Corey Cooper
WR
5'11
191
Fr
x
Jamel Custis
WR
6'6
225
Fr
x
KJ Williams
WR
6'2
188
Fr
x
Steve Ishmael
WR
6'2
170
Fr
15 Players. Personally I think Broyld, West, and Funderburk are the starters with Estime 1a.

The log jam is with Flemming, Kobena, Hale, and Lewis. There has to be some hard choices and talks with those guys.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

Assuming Ishmael signs and everyone returns this is what the WR unit would look like.

1
Ashton Broyld
WR
6/2
221
Jr.
88
Jarrod West
WR
6/2
203
Sr.
2
Quinta Funderburk
WR
6/3
201
Jr.
20
Brisly Estime
WR
5/9
176
So.
82
Alvin Cornelius
WR
6/1
187
So.
22
Adrian Flemming
WR
6/3
200
Sr.
25
Jeremiah Kobena
WR
6/1
182
Sr.
84
Ben Lewis
WR
6/2
194
So.

16
Keenan Hale
WR
6/2
190
Jr.
13
Corey Winfield
WR
6/1
180
RF
83
Sean Avant
WR
5/10
183
RF
x
Corey Cooper
WR
5'11
191
Fr
x
Jamel Custis
WR
6'6
225
Fr
x
KJ Williams
WR
6'2
188
Fr
x
Steve Ishmael
WR
6'2
170
Fr
15 Players. Personally I think Broyld, West, and Funderburk are the starters with Estime 1a.

The log jam is with Flemming, Kobena, Hale, and Lewis. There has to be some hard choices and talks with those guys.

Are any of those legitimate DB candidates? We could use a little help there.

 

[All4SU]

Yup. This was the year for a couple of those guys to get some separation, both positionally and on the field. It really didn't happen except for Broyld and Estime. Not sure what that means to some of those upperclassmen. But if Estime and Broyld progress this offseason, and Cornelius comes along, some guys might not see much playing time.

 

[orangepassion]

I'd love to see Kobena, Lewis, and Hale move to DB. I bet Kobena could be good there. Maybe even Avant or Winfield.

 

[Whitey23]

Well if those guys couldn't get PT this past year those conversations shouldn't be that hard. Writing should be on the wall.

 

[texascpa]

Estime is starting next year. Didn't he start in the bowl game?

 

[orangenirvana]

Cornelius was supposedly a very good corner in high school. I thought he was going to be moved this season. Maybe they pull the trigger in April.

 

[cuseclappy]

-hale is 50-50 on if he will still be here next year
-custis is going to end up at TE
-winfield has nice DB potential

thats all i can add here

 

[Pyle]

With that much depth the incoming 4 should redshirt unless they are the next Jerry Rice. Even if they are quick and have great hands, they won't have a handle on the offense and won't be proficient blockers. I will assume right now that 1 of the 4 doesn't make it to campus either. Good chance we lose 1 or 2 more out of the current group to injury for the year. 8 spots on the 2 deep with a 4 WR set. We have 11 on roster right now. Not necessarily as crowded as it first seems. And as Whitey23 pointed out, some of these guys won't ever see the field and are practice dummies getting a free ride.

 

[baggerbob]

You left out Adly Enoicy at 6-4, or 6-5, he still is a good possibility. People who didn't play this year have little chance of playing next year. The best thing for most of them is to switch positions to defense.

 

[bnoro]

You left out Adly Enoicy at 6-4, or 6-5, he still is a good possibility. People who didn't play this year have little chance of playing next year. The best thing for most of them is to switch positions to defense.

Enoicy would be listed as a TE as well.

 

[Nick44]

Either Winfield or Cornelius switch to DB. Flemming starts over Funderburk along with West and Broyld/Estime.
*However, six weeks into the season, this lineup could be completely different based on incoming talent.

 

[007]

With that much depth the incoming 4 should redshirt unless they are the next Jerry Rice. Even if they are quick and have great hands, they won't have a handle on the offense and won't be proficient blockers. I will assume right now that 1 of the 4 doesn't make it to campus either. Good chance we lose 1 or 2 more out of the current group to injury for the year. 8 spots on the 2 deep with a 4 WR set. We have 11 on roster right now. Not necessarily as crowded as it first seems. And as Whitey23 pointed out, some of these guys won't ever see the field and are practice dummies getting a free ride.

There is a difference between numbers at WR and true depth. That difference is talent. I am in the camp that hopes that 2-3 of new WRs make the 2 deep. The O needs playmakers at WR, or the production will likely be anemic again.

 

[OrangeBlood]

Think Broyld, West, Flemming, Estime, Lewis, Hale (if he stays), Funderbunk, Cornelius, Avant, Kobena, Ishmael, Williams, Cooper at the WRs.

While Batten, Parris, Moore, Provo, Custis, Enoicy are the TE

Winfield to DB.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

There is a difference between numbers at WR and true depth. That difference is talent. I am in the camp that hopes that 2-3 of new WRs make the 2 deep. The O needs playmakers at WR, or the production will likely be anemic again.

Well said. I'm cooler than most on West/Broyld, bullish on Cornelius/Estime/the incoming players and redshirts, and unsure about Funderburke/Kobena. I won't be surprised if Flemming/Lewis/Hale are moved or are not back. We'll see though.

I do think that between Cornelius and Estime, the redshirts, and the incoming players we'll have at least two all-conference performers.

 

[GoSU96]

There is a difference between numbers at WR and true depth. That difference is talent. I am in the camp that hopes that 2-3 of new WRs make the 2 deep. The O needs playmakers at WR, or the production will likely be anemic again.

Funderburk might have made the biggest catch of the season, and that was after not really playing all year, in the BC game. Huge play and a great play.

There's only one player on the roster who was reportedly offered by Bama, Clemson, Florida, Michigan, PSU, USC, and WVU, as well as Arkansas.

West is a proven productive player. He might not be a #1, but I don't see him getting displaced by a freshman.

Until he is moved I think Broyld is still a starter here. Raw, still learning, 50 catches.

Unless the offense bases out of a 4 wide set I think Estime gets as many snaps as the starters, but is a package player, subs out for a TE, TB or one of the three starting WR's depending on the formation.

AC has earned a spot on the two deep and in the rotation.

If any of the incoming kids are that good, they will see time, but I don't think freshmen are going to come in and displace Jrs and Srs who are returning starters unless they are impact players.

 

[corpjet]

Wouldn't it be best to move whoever during spring ball and get them as comfortable as possible then? I agree with everyone above it looks like we have a log jam at WR, I would think some deep on the chart would be happy to move with a better chance of getting some PT.

 

[Chip]

Funderburk might have made the biggest catch of the season, and that was after not really playing all year, in the BC game. Huge play and a great play.

There's only one player on the roster who was reportedly offered by Bama, Clemson, Florida, Michigan, PSU, USC, and WVU, as well as Arkansas.

West is a proven productive player. He might not be a #1, but I don't see him getting displaced by a freshman.

Until he is moved I think Broyld is still a starter here. Raw, still learning, 50 catches.

Unless the offense bases out of a 4 wide set I think Estime gets as many snaps as the starters, but is a package player, subs out for a TE, TB or one of the three starting WR's depending on the formation.

AC has earned a spot on the two deep and in the rotation.

If any of the incoming kids are that good, they will see time, but I don't think freshmen are going to come in and displace Jrs and Srs who are returning starters unless they are impact players.

West's performance in the bowl game was encouraging. He's in the mix for sure, he's coming back right?

What happens with Flemming? He always seems to be impressive in practice, and then encounters a season impacting injury. Can't remember, is he coming back?

I just hope some of these guys can play elsewhere. I don't know what the ideal # of WRs is, but this seems to be too many, so my worry would be what other position isn't meeting its ideal numbers as a result?

 

[007]

Funderburk might have made the biggest catch of the season, and that was after not really playing all year, in the BC game. Huge play and a great play.

There's only one player on the roster who was reportedly offered by Bama, Clemson, Florida, Michigan, PSU, USC, and WVU, as well as Arkansas.

West is a proven productive player. He might not be a #1, but I don't see him getting displaced by a freshman.

Until he is moved I think Broyld is still a starter here. Raw, still learning, 50 catches.

Unless the offense bases out of a 4 wide set I think Estime gets as many snaps as the starters, but is a package player, subs out for a TE, TB or one of the three starting WR's depending on the formation.

AC has earned a spot on the two deep and in the rotation.

If any of the incoming kids are that good, they will see time, but I don't think freshmen are going to come in and displace Jrs and Srs who are returning starters unless they are impact players.

Yeah, that's my point. We need a couple of the new WRs to be good enough to displace some of the kids that were getting run, IMO. We need a couple of impact players at WR. Estime has that potential. West does not. AB is a wild card at best. Funderburk hardly played, regardless of the reasons. And more importantly, the passing offense with those guys at WR had an FBS ranking of 102. Yes, the QBs contributed to that poor performance and yes I do expect some type of improvement. But not enough to close the gap.

An influx of talent is needed.

 

[PhatOrange]

The log jam is with Flemming, Kobena, Hale, and Lewis. There has to be some hard choices and talks with those guys.

My thoughts on this group:

Flemming done
Hale done
Kobena done
Lewis moves to safety

And what I mean by done is that they wont contribute. Shoot Kobena was jumped during the season.

I think Cooper and Ishmael (if he signs) are locks to play and I think Ishmael is a starter. Williams and Custis redshirt.

 

[Pyle]

Yeah, that's my point. We need a couple of the new WRs to be good enough to displace some of the kids that were getting run, IMO. We need a couple of impact players at WR. Estime has that potential. West does not. AB is a wild card at best. Funderburk hardly played, regardless of the reasons. And more importantly, the passing offense with those guys at WR had an FBS ranking of 102. Yes, the QBs contributed to that poor performance and yes I do expect some type of improvement. But not enough to close the gap.

An influx of talent is needed.

The QBs contributed a lot!!!!! Hunt didn't hit stride until the Pitt game. Before that is was feast or famine depending on the opponent. I don't think NC State or Marylands DBs were that much better than Pitts or BCs but we couldn't pass in those games to save our lives. The difference was Hunt's progression. His numbers the last 3 games against all bowl caliber opponents is very very encouraging. That being said, guys like Estime and Broyld are still young and raw and have a lot of upside. I think if that many true frosh are on the 2 deep then we are in trouble. One of the biggest problems we had against teams like FSU and Clemson was that our guys were too small to beat press coverage and got no separation forcing Hunt into unmanageable throws. That gets no better with more true frosh on the field. What we need is the upperclassmen to take that next step along with Hunt and the OC. I'm not ready to give up on the guys we currently already have in the weight room over kids who are still trying to figure out which tux to wear to prom. If the guys we are bringing in were ESPN Top 100 5 star recruits then fine. But they aren't and if you pretend that they are then we will have another season with WRs who can't beat press coverage, blow blocking assignments and run the wrong routes. We lost our #2 WR for the entire season. We lost our #1 WR for 1/2 of it. And we played the wrong QB for the first 2 games. These guys all came a very long way since Aug. and I assume they will continue to progress at a much faster rate than the incoming frosh who won't get here until Aug.

 

[JackBauer44]

I really want Funderburk to be a dynamite player. Yes, his catch in the BC game was great and huge, but I'm not in the camp of him being in the two deep next season. There was a reason why he hasn't been playing (how many snaps did he get in the bowl game?), and unfortunately we don't know that reason. People speculate it's grades. People speculate it's work-ethic. We just have what Shafer said in a post-game to go off of. I want him to be a great wideout, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

Note: I'm sorry if that was horrible sentence structuring, I was thinking and typing at the same time...

 

[All4SU]

Funderburk might have made the biggest catch of the season, and that was after not really playing all year, in the BC game. Huge play and a great play.

There's only one player on the roster who was reportedly offered by Bama, Clemson, Florida, Michigan, PSU, USC, and WVU, as well as Arkansas.

West is a proven productive player. He might not be a #1, but I don't see him getting displaced by a freshman.

Until he is moved I think Broyld is still a starter here. Raw, still learning, 50 catches.

Unless the offense bases out of a 4 wide set I think Estime gets as many snaps as the starters, but is a package player, subs out for a TE, TB or one of the three starting WR's depending on the formation.

AC has earned a spot on the two deep and in the rotation.

If any of the incoming kids are that good, they will see time, but I don't think freshmen are going to come in and displace Jrs and Srs who are returning starters unless they are impact players.

Will begrudgingly agree on Funderburke. But he still has a lot to prove he has earned playing time. Broyld will not be moved. And IMHO will be our #1 option next year.

 

[GoSU96]

My thoughts on this group:

Flemming done
Hale done
Kobena done
Lewis moves to safety

And what I mean by done is that they wont contribute. Shoot Kobena was jumped during the season.

I think Cooper and Ishmael (if he signs) are locks to play and I think Ishmael is a starter. Williams and Custis redshirt.

I agree with the first part completely. Flemming's history would make me leary of relying on him, he can't stay healthy. Hale never sees the field from what I can tell. I agree Kobena has been shelved. If Lewis can play safety makes perfect sense.

 

[Crusty]

Cornelius was supposedly a very good corner in high school. I thought he was going to be moved this season. Maybe they pull the trigger in April.

ACE has pretty good moves and good hands. I wouldn't like to see him moved. Kid might turn out to be a star.