UCF is the 2nd largest college in the country, has a lot of money, and is very serious about getting competitive in Florida college football. I have no doubt that they will end up with a good coaching prospect, possibly Babers as mentioned.
UCF is the 2nd largest college in the country, has a lot of money, and is very serious about getting competitive in Florida college football. I have no doubt that they will end up with a good coaching prospect, possibly Babers as mentioned.
The 3 most important skills for a Cuse Coach are RECRUITING, RECRUITING AND RECRUITING. Bite your pride, we need a good salesman. Forget about character, we need a slick monomaniac salesman like Calipari or Trump. Coordinators can be hired. Our primary problem is not bad coaching. Our opponents are bigger and faster and unless that changes nothing else will. Without a talent upgrade, we are just rearranging chairs on the deck of the Titanic.I think most of the posters enamored with "young Turks" with not enough experience are forgetting the job description of a head coach. Simply put, a head coach is someone that is basically an administrator. I sometimes think of Tommy Prothro, who would arrive at a UCLA game wearing a suit and carrying a brief case as an example of clothing fitting the position.
A head coach requires leadership skills, organizational skills, evaluative skills, and a demonstrated ability to put together the essential parts of a football program. These are the chief functions. Arguably, the most important decisions a head coach makes is choosing an offensive coordinator, a defensive coordinator, and if appropriate, an associate head coach. You guys are really talking about hiring an offensive coordinator for a head coach position who is not adequately prepared and learns on the fly. Some guys can do that but I think they are the exception and not the rule. There's no substitute for experience and we need an experienced head coach who will likely stay for a while. Coach Mac comes to mind as an excellent prototype. Of those mentioned, Ed Orgeron stands out. He has past warts that can cloud your perceptions of him, but keep in mind that many learn from their mistakes.
Warner is 56 years old and has never been a head coach. He has only been a coordinator for 2 years and even now he is one of two offensive coordinators.
Old, long removed from SU, took 30 years to move above position coach and even now doesn't hold a coordinator title on his own. This hire would suck big time.
Art Briles inherited the Air Raid from Mike Leach. I guess that means he's no good.
Actually Leach inherited the Air Raid from Hal Mumme. So they're both no good, apparently.
Except Frost is a hot commodity at 40 years old and Warner was never a candidate at all. There is probably a reason someone coaches for almost 35 years and is never considered head coaching material. Like I said, he went 30 years before becoming a co-coordinator. On the flip side, there is probably a good reason a 40 year old (which is probably young to get consideration for a head coaching job) is on a lot of team's radar.You can coach college football at 56 years old. And Frost hasn't been a head coach either.
The 3 most important skills for a Cuse Coach are RECRUITING, RECRUITING AND RECRUITING. Bite your pride, we need a good salesman. Forget about character, we need a slick monomaniac salesman like Calipari or Trump. Coordinators can be hired. Our primary problem is not bad coaching. Our opponents are bigger and faster and unless that changes nothing else will. Without a talent upgrade, we are just rearranging chairs on the deck of the Titanic.
hairy earsI couldn't disagree more with this. We need a coach that recruits to the systems he likes to run, develops the talent and coaches kids up. That will be the biggest question mark with Frost, can he coach em up? babers has proven he can, his Bowling Green teams have played bigger programs and hung in there. Nobody is perfect but that will be the biggest question mark. I think old time Syracuse fans like Ed O because he is known as a recruiter, they also want Northeast ties because we use to do well in recruiting there 25 years ago, not really as important anymore because football stinks in the Northeast and we are also in the ACC and also the northeast is over recruited. It's like fishing in waters 12 months a year when there is only a 4 month season.
We need to move forward, think forwardly and plan for the future instead of looking back all the time.
Coaching pedigree is one thing but at the end of the day can you coach 3 star talent to a top 25-30 program because that is what the Syracuse coach will need to do to keep people happy and to move to a bigger program
Leave the meatheads with hairy knuckles and ears to position coaches we need to think far more progressively than that for a HC. I am happy with Frost or Babers, I think Frost is a big gamble in many ways but I like that.
guys who still have basic cable still think that the 5 hour radius makes all the difference - how will parents see their kids play if they can't make a quick day trip to the game?I couldn't disagree more with this. We need a coach that recruits to the systems he likes to run, develops the talent and coaches kids up. That will be the biggest question mark with Frost, can he coach em up? babers has proven he can, his Bowling Green teams have played bigger programs and hung in there. Nobody is perfect but that will be the biggest question mark. I think old time Syracuse fans like Ed O because he is known as a recruiter, they also want Northeast ties because we use to do well in recruiting there 25 years ago, not really as important anymore because football stinks in the Northeast and we are also in the ACC and also the northeast is over recruited. It's like fishing in waters 12 months a year when there is only a 4 month season.
We need to move forward, think forwardly and plan for the future instead of looking back all the time.
Coaching pedigree is one thing but at the end of the day can you coach 3 star talent to a top 25-30 program because that is what the Syracuse coach will need to do to keep people happy and to move to a bigger program
Leave the meatheads with hairy knuckles and ears to position coaches we need to think far more progressively than that for a HC. I am happy with Frost or Babers, I think Frost is a big gamble in many ways but I like that.
if we live like that then so be it. The days of lifer coaches are over, say frost takes us to a 6 and a 7 win season. Sign me up for that we have suffered too long. We need to make bowl games feel good for a change.IthacaBarrel said:If Riley tanks next year at Nebraska Frost will be one and done here, even at 5-7 or 6-6. I am sure there will be a huge buyout figure but that won't stop anyone. If we hire Frost, people better become Husker fans
guys who still have basic cable still think that the 5 hour radius makes all the difference - how will parents see their kids play if they can't make a quick day trip to the game?
if we live like that then so be it. The days of lifer coaches are over, say frost takes us to a 6 and a 7 win season. Sign me up for that we have suffered too long. We need to make bowl games feel good for a change.
You severely undervaluing how much it actually does mean. And it has nothing to do with being able to watch on tv.guys who still have basic cable still think that the 5 hour radius makes all the difference - how will parents see their kids play if they can't make a quick day trip to the game?
it matters less than it used toYou severely undervaluing how much it actually does mean. And it has nothing to do with being able to watch on tv.
are you a pirate? not a chip style pirate, i mean a real pirateshaking me head would be an understatement.
GAME HAS CHANGED
Okay then explain what you were implying.I haven't said Frost is "no good". Talk about a straw man.
it matters less than it used to
Not really, an 18 yr old moving away from home is still an 18 yr old moving away from home.it matters less than it used to
Not really, an 18 yr old moving away from home is still an 18 yr old moving away from home.
Most parents make every effort to attend every game they can, a lot of them strapping themselves financially in the process. If you don't think Ma wanting a kid 2 hrs from home instead of 20 makes a difference, you're wrong.
Just because there's 40 games on tv on Saturday doesn't mean jack.
He's not saying " well that is the way coach mac did it, so it should be done that way!!!" At all. He is saying that it matters. To all? Probably not. To some? Yes, it does.Depends on the kid. " well that is the way coach mac did it, so it should be done that way!!!"
get kids who fit your profile no matter where they are from, when we joined the ACC everything changed.
It's got nothing to do with Coach Mac, Meatheads or NE Football. Nothing at all. There's no doubt that recruiting is more national than ever due to the transfer of information and ease of travel. Doesn't mean that radius and the importance of how close to home is lessened one bit. Just because we can recruit kids from Texas doesn't mean we'll do it well.Depends on the kid. " well that is the way coach mac did it, so it should be done that way!!!"
get kids who fit your profile no matter where they are from, when we joined the ACC everything changed.
It's got nothing to do with Coach Mac, Meatheads or NE Football. Nothing at all. There's no doubt that recruiting is more national than ever due to the transfer of information and ease of travel. Doesn't mean that radius and the importance of how close to home is lessened one bit. Just because we can recruit kids from Texas doesn't mean we'll do it well.