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Which is dumb, since it's a single elimination tournament and that lends itself to weirdness.
Isn't that what we love about it?
Which is dumb, since it's a single elimination tournament and that lends itself to weirdness.
Syracuse basketball loves drama. Sadly it is a little Kardashian esque.
2012 was the worst. Our fanbase was miserable during a 30-1 regular season. I tend to be fair when things are good I am uber positive but when I am frustrated I let it been known. That 2012 season drove me nuts with our fans complaining about close wins.
We couldn't appreciate 30-1.
So you agree with the UConn maniacs that UConn/Calhoun are far superior to SU/Boeheim?Post Season is all that matters.
Seriously. That's it.
Do well in the regular season so you can position yourself, as a program, to accumulate Sweet 16's, Final 4's and National Championship's.
Oh I completely agree. And even as a fan you tend to remember Final Four teams much more fondly. Just getting to the Final Four is an accomplishment in itself.
For sure. But if you're putting huge weight on the results of a single elimination tournament, odds are you're going to be disappointed.Isn't that what we love about it?
I don't personally but the average person looking at resumes would.So you agree with the UConn maniacs that UConn/Calhoun are far superior to SU/Boeheim?
I thought 2012 validated its regular season. They made the Elite 8 and lost to a 2 seed that been a top 5 team most of the year in Ohio State in an awfully officiated game.
I think those 2 teams split 10 games if they played that many times.
2012 was not vulnerable at all. Even without Melo that team had
Gs- Scoop/Triche/Waiter/MCW
Fs- Joseph/Fair/Southerland
Cs- Christmas/Keita
that 9 man squad makes the Final Four A LOT. The Elite Eight wasn't really underachieving. When you get to the Elite 8 its a coin flip.
Oh I don't know, it matters somewhat as to seeding, etc. in the big dance, it matters to us fans, the school and the players to make some history playing your old and in our case new rivals, so it matters ultimately.I mean they have been super successful and that fanbase should appreciate Bill Self.
385-83 in 13 years.
12 regular season Big XII titles
7 Big XII tournament titles
1 National Title
2 Final Fours
Self has had Kansas as a 4 seed or better EVERY year.
2004- 4 seed Elite 8
2005- 3 seed first round flameout
2006- 4 seed first round flameout
2007- 1 seed Elite 8
2008- 1 seed NC
2009- 3 seed Sweet 16
2010- 1 seed second round loss to 9 seed
2011- 1 seed Elite 8 lost to 11 seed VCU
2012- 2 seed Final Four lost NC game
2013- 1 seed Sweet 16
2014- 2 seed second round loss to 10 seed
2015- 2 seed second round loss to 7 seed
2016- 1 seed Elite 8.
This kinda of success is unbelievable but when you look at it the regular season.
UConn has missed the NCAA tournament 4 times during this stretch and has 3 NCs.
Syracuse has missed the NCAA tournament 3 times during this stretch and has as many Final Fours.
Duke and UNC have 2 titles during this stretch.
Kansas fans must be frustrated by the tournament but their regular season success is amazing.
What is better Post season runs or dominant regular seasons?
Self deserves to take some heat. You have to compare kansas to other blue bloods like kentucky carolina and duke. Im pretty sure those 3 teams have more titles and final 4s since self took over.
And remember self was extremely fortunate to get his 1 title, memphis had that game in the bag and blew it.
That's interesting. I sort of wish I felt the same way, but I don't. The regular season is nothing but a means to an end. Ennis' buzzer beater was fun but it didn't generate close to the thrill and sense of satisfaction as watching this team win a Tournament game.That game where Ennis gutted Pitt with a dagger three had me as happy as our Gonzaga win. The OT Duke game in the dome was as big of a moment in my mind. The game where JT2 got ejected from the dome: same thing.
In 2012, we EXPECTED to win it all.
I think you're both underestimating the value Fab Melo provided on that 2011-12 team. Once he was declared out, I never expected to win it all. The sophomore Rak Christmas that season was not even close to the senior Rak Christmas we saw two seasons later.2012 was not vulnerable at all. Even without Melo that team had
Gs- Scoop/Triche/Waiter/MCW
Fs- Joseph/Fair/Southerland
Cs- Christmas/Keita
that 9 man squad makes the Final Four A LOT. The Elite Eight wasn't really underachieving. When you get to the Elite 8 its a coin flip.
I think you're both underestimating the value Fab Melo provided on that 2011-12 team. Once he was declared out, I never expected to win it all. The sophomore Rak Christmas that season was not even close to the senior Rak Christmas we saw two seasons later.
We saw how important Fabricio was to that SU team when we nearly lost to a 16 seed in the first round.
Big Ten has been close a lot of times since 2000. With a bunch of different schools
Lost Championship game
Indiana 2002
Illinois 2005
Ohio State 2007
Michigan State 2009
Michigan 2013
Wisconsin 2015.
SEC has been a 2 team conference Florida and Kentucky
Pac-12 has been nothing since UCLA. Arizona has 3 Elite 8's though.
Big East had Syracuse/UConn/Louisville and Georgetown/Villanova National Semifinalists
Big XII no one but Kansas in title game but Oklahoma/Oklahoma State/Texas National Semifinalists
ACC has had Georgia Tech/Duke/North Carolina/Maryland in Championship game.
ACC and Big Ten have dominated as a conference. The Big Ten has ZERO titles though while the ACC has 6 of the last 15 and is guaranteed a shot at its 7th.
Titles since 2000
ACC-6 2001, 2010, 2015 Duke, 2002 Maryland, 2005, 2009 North Carolina
Old Big East-4 2003 Syracuse, 2004, 2011, UConn, 2013 Louisville
SEC-3 2006, 2007 Florida, 2012 Kentucky
Big XII-1 2008 Kansas
Big Ten-1 2000 Michigan State
American- 2014 UConn
That's interesting. I sort of wish I felt the same way, but I don't. The regular season is nothing but a means to an end. Ennis' buzzer beater was fun but it didn't generate close to the thrill and sense of satisfaction as watching this team win a Tournament game.
Although this year's regular was more live or die simply because we were so close to the edge of the bubble all season long.
I am just not one that thinks (and this goes for any sport) that there can only be one team/school that has a great season. Everyone else is a loser, right? I don't think like that. It's way too simplistic.I mean they have been super successful and that fanbase should appreciate Bill Self.
385-83 in 13 years.
12 regular season Big XII titles
7 Big XII tournament titles
1 National Title
2 Final Fours
Self has had Kansas as a 4 seed or better EVERY year.
2004- 4 seed Elite 8
2005- 3 seed first round flameout
2006- 4 seed first round flameout
2007- 1 seed Elite 8
2008- 1 seed NC
2009- 3 seed Sweet 16
2010- 1 seed second round loss to 9 seed
2011- 1 seed Elite 8 lost to 11 seed VCU
2012- 2 seed Final Four lost NC game
2013- 1 seed Sweet 16
2014- 2 seed second round loss to 10 seed
2015- 2 seed second round loss to 7 seed
2016- 1 seed Elite 8.
This kinda of success is unbelievable but when you look at it the regular season.
UConn has missed the NCAA tournament 4 times during this stretch and has 3 NCs.
Syracuse has missed the NCAA tournament 3 times during this stretch and has as many Final Fours.
Duke and UNC have 2 titles during this stretch.
Kansas fans must be frustrated by the tournament but their regular season success is amazing.
What is better Post season runs or dominant regular seasons?
Which is dumb, since it's a single elimination tournament and that lends itself to weirdness.
Conference championships don't matter. Unless we win the conference. Then they matter a lot.I mean they have been super successful and that fanbase should appreciate Bill Self.
385-83 in 13 years.
12 regular season Big XII titles
7 Big XII tournament titles
1 National Title
2 Final Fours
Self has had Kansas as a 4 seed or better EVERY year.
2004- 4 seed Elite 8
2005- 3 seed first round flameout
2006- 4 seed first round flameout
2007- 1 seed Elite 8
2008- 1 seed NC
2009- 3 seed Sweet 16
2010- 1 seed second round loss to 9 seed
2011- 1 seed Elite 8 lost to 11 seed VCU
2012- 2 seed Final Four lost NC game
2013- 1 seed Sweet 16
2014- 2 seed second round loss to 10 seed
2015- 2 seed second round loss to 7 seed
2016- 1 seed Elite 8.
This kinda of success is unbelievable but when you look at it the regular season.
UConn has missed the NCAA tournament 4 times during this stretch and has 3 NCs.
Syracuse has missed the NCAA tournament 3 times during this stretch and has as many Final Fours.
Duke and UNC have 2 titles during this stretch.
Kansas fans must be frustrated by the tournament but their regular season success is amazing.
What is better Post season runs or dominant regular seasons?