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JaMarcus Russell made a lot more than $8 million.After next year Tyler Ennis will have 8 million in career earnings. Most people don't make that in a lifetime.
JaMarcus Russell made a lot more than $8 million.After next year Tyler Ennis will have 8 million in career earnings. Most people don't make that in a lifetime.
You might be right .. I've only seen him play once - against SU - and he could have been nicked up. Frank and Tyus were walking by him. He looked athletic in the work-out photos we saw. And I'm only judging by one game, but it seemed pretty obvious.My issue was with people who assume Battle will be a good defender and Huerter will not when they tested out as the same athlete at the combine. It makes no sense to me.
JaMarcus Russell made a lot more than $8 million.
Too much of a straw man for me to respond.So why are we poo pooing busts? Just because they embarrass schools? I thought the object was to make money.
Like I said, semantics. We probably agree on everything but the label.well maybe you can say he hasn't lived up to the expectations of the 18th draft pick (many haven't) but to say he's been a bust is completely wrong.
Fair point. But then again, there are numerous ways that he could enhance his profile, none of which are far fetched.
Even if his usage / scoring / minutes go down, he could enhance his stock by fine tuning some of the rawer elements of his game [i.e., ball handling, passing, etc.] and improving his overall efficiency.
- With better offensive players around him, he might not have to do so much -- so his efficiency rating overall might improve
- With other shooters spacing the floor [and Tyus not having to crank up so many shots at the end of the shot clock], his three point shooting % might improve due to him having more open looks
- With better scorers on the floor, his assist totals might rise, and he could show more capabilities as a play maker
- He'd have another year to improve his ball handling and expand his offensive diversification as a dribble-drive threat
- He could garner publicity being the main cog of a highly rated team poised to make a deep tournament run
Frankly, it is criminal that he's rated below some of the other wings in this class [I'll own that opinion], but at least part of that is due to the perception that his offensive production was inflated by him having an unabashed green light. He could change that perception by coming back, not being forced to play 40+ minutes every game, by showing improved shot selection as a function of not being forced to do too much, and by showing that he's a better shooter overall than he's shown.
Didn't Wallace do poorly in interviews? And was he pulled over before or after the draft?I understand those points and theoretically it's possible he improves his game and stock. He is the one getting the feedback though, and I think since a lot of scouts really draft on potential, they see what his athleticism is and feel they have enough data already. If he is getting feedback saying staying a year really won't guaranty a first round pick, I could see him staying in the draft. I always think of John Wallace -- his game improved tremendously his senior year. Didn't really help his draft stock much, if at all. Tyus to me just screams one of those good college players who will not transition well at the next level. My guess is scouts have similar thoughts.
Didn't Wallace do poorly in interviews? And was he pulled over before or after the draft?
Didn't Wallace do poorly in interviews? And was he pulled over before or after the draft?
Oh yeah, definitely disappointing. As was his career, unfortunately. I don't think he regrets coming back, though.Don't recall anything about interviews, but everyone including him was disappointed he went 18 after doing everything he could possibly do as a senior except bring home the trophy. The arrest was never brought up as an issue of why he didn't go higher. He's just one of many examples though. It worked for him for having such a magical season, but he could have left after his junior year and would have been drafted in a similar spot.
Wallace's stock did not improve because he was a 6-7 interior player who weighed 215 lbs. No more, no less.I understand those points and theoretically it's possible he improves his game and stock. He is the one getting the feedback though, and I think since a lot of scouts really draft on potential, they see what his athleticism is and feel they have enough data already. If he is getting feedback saying staying a year really won't guaranty a first round pick, I could see him staying in the draft. I always think of John Wallace -- his game improved tremendously his senior year. Didn't really help his draft stock much, if at all. Tyus to me just screams one of those good college players who will not transition well at the next level. My guess is scouts have similar thoughts.
The exact 18th pick? Usually around 7 points per game.
I should've elaborated more - right after the lottery you either want a foreigner to stash or a rotational guy - he's on his 4th team in 4 years and is a deep bench player.
Ennis 10000% left at the right time - but he's a below average pick for a guy going 15-20
Obviously it boosted him, but that's not the issue. His overall body of work also included TWO NC's, allowing teams to grade him on other metrics such as leadership and bball IQ. If Nova would've gone out in the 1st or 2nd weekend his four years, I submit Brunson doesn't get a look- even with his good regular season body of work. Being a smallish PG, its his performing well in the Tourney & being part of 2 NC squads, that force GM's to give him a serious look in the draft. Moreso than his overall BOW, IMO.Did winning the national championship boost or hurt Jalen Brunson? Or did the body of work over the course of the season do that?
Any team can win a championship with their best player mia if the team does well.
Wallace's stock did not improve because he was a 6-7 interior player who weighed 215 lbs. No more, no less.
Arrested for disorderly conduct, but not sure if it was before or after the draft.
I remember that they kinda compared him to Derrick Colemen in his demeanor.Didn't Wallace do poorly in interviews? And was he pulled over before or after the draft?
Again, why do you think that is? It's because he was too small to be an interior player, which was his game. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.He had almost literally the best possible senior season someone could have and was drafted probably exactly where he would have been drafted a year before. He also shot 42 percent on a respectable number of threes as a senior after basically not taking them his first three years. Sure, there was a reason he went where he did (tho I will always be convinced it had more to do with his lackadaisical defense than his size or anything about his offensive game - he averaged 14 Ppg one year in the nba), and this reason was always there. But that’s probably true of all these guys, including battle. It’s possible he’ll improve in an unexpected way, possible he’ll regress, and probably most likely he (like JW) will be in the same place a year later.
But JW did everything people say battle needs to do - expanded his game, showed he could shoot, and won on the biggest stage. It did him no good in terms of draft stock.
Anyone know Isaiah?
Again, why do you think that is? It's because he was too small to be an interior player, which was his game. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Why did coming back not hurt Derrick Coleman's draft stock? You can't just cherry pick examples sans context.
Also, with all due respect to you waltdods (as a great overall poster), what are you're basing your assertion on that his draft stock was the same after his junior year? I'm willing to bet that walls to stop was anywhere close to what it would have been after his junior year? Maybe in the modern NBA and the way things happen in terms of the draft, but I doubt that was the case back in 1996.
Everybody talks endlessly about draft stock, draft position, which round, how much money, blah, blah. That's nowhere near the point, as Boeheim has pointed out a number of times. After the first 10-11 picks, it's not where you get picked, it's if you have opportunities with the team that picks you. If there's possibilities for you with the team that picks you, no matter what the round, you might get a chance or two to stick around. His point is there's a fair amount of luck involved. Grant is a perfect case in point. Philly had playing time available. Most NBA teams don't. As for the money and you'll have more than most ppl make in a lifetime, blah, blah, that's BS. It goes just about as fast as you get it. The best thing about getting a second contract is players have blown all the money from the first.