2018 Yankees Off Season / Spring Training Thread

[KaiserUEO]

Judge surprises me to be honest.

Yeah, I thought Judge was pretty good out there

 

[donniesyracuse]

I think that's incorrect about Judge. I remember some metrics having him near the top defensively last season.

Judge’s DEF = -1.3 according to fangraphs.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

SABR Defensive Index: Final 2017 rankings | Society for American Baseball Research

Player Team SDI
Mookie Betts BOS 22.0
Aaron Judge NYY 8.5
Kole Calhoun LAA 6.4
Avisail Garcia CHW 4.4
Max Kepler MIN 4.2
Josh Reddick HOU 2.1
Steven Souza TBR -0.4
Matthew Joyce OAK -1.4
Nomar Mazara TEX -1.6
J.D. Martinez DET -3.2
Jorge Bonifacio KCR -3.8
Jose Bautista TOR -6.1

 

[KaiserUEO]

Judge’s DEF = -1.3 according to fangraphs.

SABR Defensive Index: Final 2017 rankings | Society for American Baseball Research

Player Team SDI
Mookie Betts BOS 22.0
Aaron Judge NYY 8.5
Kole Calhoun LAA 6.4
Avisail Garcia CHW 4.4
Max Kepler MIN 4.2
Josh Reddick HOU 2.1
Steven Souza TBR -0.4
Matthew Joyce OAK -1.4
Nomar Mazara TEX -1.6
J.D. Martinez DET -3.2
Jorge Bonifacio KCR -3.8
Jose Bautista TOR -6.1

Neither of these were on the back of a baseball card in the 70’s...lil help???...

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Neither of these were on the back of a baseball card in the 70’s...lil help???...

Betts won the AL Gold Glove award for RF. Judge finished 2nd.

Details on SABR Defensive Index and new Rawlings Gold Glove Awards selection process | Society for American Baseball Research

SABR Defensive Index | Society for American Baseball Research

 

[Alsacs]

This trade reminds of me when Kevin McHale traded Kevin Garnett to the Celtics for a pu-pu platter of junk and Al Jefferson.
Everyone thought McHale was doing the Celtics a solid and took less than he could have gotten elsewhere.
Jeter should be the most popular Yankee.
He bought the Marlins with little of his own money. Fired a lot of long time employees. Dumps the NL MVP to his old team for peanuts.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

The SDI is built from two types of defensive metrics — those that come from batted ball location-based data, and those which originate from the play-by-play records of games. We gave more weight (70%) to the batted ball location-based metrics, which evaluate the degree to which a fielder makes plays in specific zones on the diamond. The player's performance is measured in comparison to his peers. The play-by-play based metrics (30% of the SDI) are important in that they approach defensive measurement from an alternative vantage point — a more generalized approach that estimates the number of batted balls hit into a fielder's area.

Within the batted ball location-based category, we've included 3 measures — Defensive Runs Saved (DRS) from John Dewan's company, Baseball Info Solutions; Ultimate Zone Rating (UZR), authored by noted sabermetrician Mitchel Lichtman; and Runs Effectively Defended (RED) from Chris Dial. The play-by-play based metrics include two measures: Defensive Regression Analysis(DRA) from Michael Humphreys and Total Zone Rating (TZ).

What are some of the defensive elements that are measured within the SDI's components?

Fielding metrics included in the SDI capture a fielder's range, his throwing arm, his sure-handedness, his ability to turn double-plays (for SS and 2B), his ability to convert bunts into outs (primarily P, C, 3B, and 1B), scoops of throws in the dirt (1B), as well as the number of "excellent" and "poor" fielding plays. In addition, for outfielders, his ability to prevent runners from taking an extra base is also rated. For catchers, blocking balls in the dirt and stolen bases/caught stealing are also included in their ratings. Finally, for pitchers, we include his ability to control the running game by holding runners on base, in addition to many of the above criteria. (Pitch framing by catchers is not currently included in the defensive metrics that comprise the SDI.)

 

[br801]

Yeah, I thought Judge was pretty good out there

Judge ranked 5th in Total Zone runs among all MLB outfielders in 2017

 

[KaiserUEO]

The SDI is built from two types of defensive metrics — those that come from batted ball location-based data, and those which originate from the play-by-play records of games. We gave more weight (70%) to the batted ball location-based metrics, which evaluate the degree to which a fielder makes plays in specific zones on the diamond. The player's performance is measured in comparison to his peers. The play-by-play based metrics (30% of the SDI) are important in that they approach defensive measurement from an alternative vantage point — a more generalized approach that estimates the number of batted balls hit into a fielder's area.

Within the batted ball location-based category, we've included 3 measures — Defensive Runs Saved (DRS) from John Dewan's company, Baseball Info Solutions; Ultimate Zone Rating (UZR), authored by noted sabermetrician Mitchel Lichtman; and Runs Effectively Defended (RED) from Chris Dial. The play-by-play based metrics include two measures: Defensive Regression Analysis(DRA) from Michael Humphreys and Total Zone Rating (TZ).

What are some of the defensive elements that are measured within the SDI's components?

Fielding metrics included in the SDI capture a fielder's range, his throwing arm, his sure-handedness, his ability to turn double-plays (for SS and 2B), his ability to convert bunts into outs (primarily P, C, 3B, and 1B), scoops of throws in the dirt (1B), as well as the number of "excellent" and "poor" fielding plays. In addition, for outfielders, his ability to prevent runners from taking an extra base is also rated. For catchers, blocking balls in the dirt and stolen bases/caught stealing are also included in their ratings. Finally, for pitchers, we include his ability to control the running game by holding runners on base, in addition to many of the above criteria. (Pitch framing by catchers is not currently included in the defensive metrics that comprise the SDI.)

Wow.

Just don’t drop a fly or let one go through your legs please.

Keep your arm healthy and muthafluckin HIT!!

 

[AZOrange]

The SDI is built from two types of defensive metrics — those that come from batted ball location-based data, and those which originate from the play-by-play records of games. We gave more weight (70%) to the batted ball location-based metrics, which evaluate the degree to which a fielder makes plays in specific zones on the diamond. The player's performance is measured in comparison to his peers. The play-by-play based metrics (30% of the SDI) are important in that they approach defensive measurement from an alternative vantage point — a more generalized approach that estimates the number of batted balls hit into a fielder's area.

Within the batted ball location-based category, we've included 3 measures — Defensive Runs Saved (DRS) from John Dewan's company, Baseball Info Solutions; Ultimate Zone Rating (UZR), authored by noted sabermetrician Mitchel Lichtman; and Runs Effectively Defended (RED) from Chris Dial. The play-by-play based metrics include two measures: Defensive Regression Analysis(DRA) from Michael Humphreys and Total Zone Rating (TZ).

What are some of the defensive elements that are measured within the SDI's components?

Fielding metrics included in the SDI capture a fielder's range, his throwing arm, his sure-handedness, his ability to turn double-plays (for SS and 2B), his ability to convert bunts into outs (primarily P, C, 3B, and 1B), scoops of throws in the dirt (1B), as well as the number of "excellent" and "poor" fielding plays. In addition, for outfielders, his ability to prevent runners from taking an extra base is also rated. For catchers, blocking balls in the dirt and stolen bases/caught stealing are also included in their ratings. Finally, for pitchers, we include his ability to control the running game by holding runners on base, in addition to many of the above criteria. (Pitch framing by catchers is not currently included in the defensive metrics that comprise the SDI.)

So he’s below average defensively?

 

[Symphony Steve]

Stanton is below average defensively according to the metrics. Judge is also.

If you're gonna be below average defensively anywhere, corner outfield is the place. Not second base. What you DON'T want in your corner OF is someone who is below average offensively. Plus a defensive liability with plus-power and offense is an ideal DH.

 

[Symphony Steve]

Mookie Betts better have been that much above average defensively than everybody else. Because his offense sucked and screwed my fantasy team big-time.

Not that I'm bitter or anything...

 

[Symphony Steve]

So he’s below average defensively?

Doesn't look like it. Ranked 5th in NL defensive metrics for NL rightfielders. Of course, defensive skills tend to fade as one ages. Which won't be a problem for Judge for awhile yet.

OTOH, Castro's metrics sucked. Worst of starting AL second basemen.

Marlins got hosed.

 

[Toga]

Yeah, I thought Judge was pretty good out there

He ain't Paul Blair pretty but he gets the job done.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[Day2]

This trade reminds of me when Kevin McHale traded Kevin Garnett to the Celtics for a pu-pu platter of junk and Al Jefferson.
Everyone thought McHale was doing the Celtics a solid and took less than he could have gotten elsewhere.
Jeter should be the most popular Yankee.
He bought the Marlins with little of his own money. Fired a lot of long time employees. Dumps the NL MVP to his old team for peanuts.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Shawn91111]

Ninja Cash strikes again

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[Shawn91111]

The prospects per scouts are considered low tier, although Jorge Guzman's name was floating around

 

[Cowtown]

The Marlins dumping talent is hardly novel. Anyway, there will be too many outfielders. Whither Hicks, Gardy, Ellsbury? And is this the end for Holliday? Any news on Todd Frazier?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[Shawn91111]

Yup the two prospects are Guzman and Jose Devers. Interested to see how well Guzman does in the next 3 years or so

 

[Shawn91111]

Someone posted this on another forum about Cashman's deals for the last few years. Reminds me of The Office episode "Garage Sale", with Dwight trading up and up from a thumbtack


Some of Cashman's moves the last few years..

Didi Gregorius = Shane Greene.

Brendan Ryan + Adam Warren = Starlin Castro.

Eric Jagielo, Rookie Davis, Caleb Cotham + Tony Renda = Aroldis Chapman.

Aroldis Chapman = Gleyber Torres, Billy McKinney, Adam Warren + Rashad Crawford.

Get Chapman back for only money three months later.

Brian McCann’s roster spot plus some cash = Guzman and Abreu.

Starlin Castro + Guzman + Devers = Giancarlo Stanton.

 

[Cowtown]

Yeah, I thought Judge was pretty good out there

Consider: back a few years ago, everyone thought Dave Cash was a vacuum cleaner at second base because his fielding % was like .995. But it later came to light he was good on balls hit right at him, but his range was practically non-existent. Even batting .290, he gave up more hits than he got. I'm not saying that's AJ, but it's something that doesn't show up in statistics, and anyway is just something to watch for.