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2021-22 NHL Season Thread

Once basketball starts I very rarely watch regular season hockey but I have the Pens vs TB on and I was a little surprised to see Zach Bogosian back with TB. Good for him and hopefully he can stay healthy and contribute. Hard to believe he's been in the league like ten or so years now (EDIT-actually it's his 14th season and he is still only 31).
I like both sports but have to say .. nba is so much about off the court drama and personalities that I could give two craps about .. nhl is a true team game where one or two great players doesn’t guarantee you squat .. cause you need to roll 4 lines to make it through a full season without burning out .. I will say I know espn is going to force the penguins and caps down our throats .. I wish they’d highlight a more balanced view of the league .. there’s talent everywhere ..
 
TNT and ESPN have really upgraded the NHL TV presentation. Nice to see familiar faces with better production.
Oh my. Marv Albert retired but his hair still works for TNT.
 
Nice start for the Sabres.

Kyle Okposo turned back the clock 8 years tonight.

They play a fun style of hockey under Donnie Meatballs.
 
TNT and ESPN have really upgraded the NHL TV presentation. Nice to see familiar faces with better production.
ESPN and TNT over NBC is going to be a blessing for the NHL. I enjoyed seeing Gretzky lob wristers at Charles Barkley in his goalie pads.
 
McAvoy got 9.5 million for 8 years.

Rangers are going to have to pay Fox a lot now.
 
McAvoy got 9.5 million for 8 years.

Rangers are going to have to pay Fox a lot now.
Wow that some serious coin and tenor, is he worth that much to the B's?
 
Wow that some serious coin and tenor, is he worth that much to the B's?
McAvoy is a top 5 defensive men.

No way Seth Jones should get that contract he got from Chicago and McAvoy not get the same or better.

McAvoy is a stud.
 
Too bad Mitch Marner wasn’t on the set of Rust .. he’d have passed instead of shot .. too soon ?
 
Habs suck this year :(. It’s fine I’m hoping we can draft Wright but I don’t think they are bad enough. Missing a lot of players from that run last year huge turnover on the team but they are really bad.
 
Tonight the Rangers get their chance to kill the Kraken
 
Tonight the Rangers get their chance to kill the Kraken
3-1 Rangers, but there's a bunch of excitement in town for the team! Lots of hats and jerseys being sported.
 
All these top D should shower Seth Jones with gifts this year.
He sent the D market out of whack with his comp.
 
Habs suck this year :(. It’s fine I’m hoping we can draft Wright but I don’t think they are bad enough. Missing a lot of players from that run last year huge turnover on the team but they are really bad.
Not having Carey hurts
 
Montreal Canadiens continuing their search for a GM to take over for the departure of Marc Bergevin but as always the club is in search for a "French" speaking person for the role.

Welcome to Quebec where the language you speak is more important than your ability and qualifications to do the job.
 
Montreal Canadiens continuing their search for a GM to take over for the departure of Marc Bergevin but as always the club is in search for a "French" speaking person for the role.

Welcome to Quebec where the language you speak is more important than your ability and qualifications to do the job.
Would Frenchie from SNL suffice ?
 
Welcome to Quebec where the language you speak is more important than your ability and qualifications to do the job.
This seems to be true. David Samson speaks about this from his time with the Expos before they moved to Miami.
 
Montreal Canadiens continuing their search for a GM to take over for the departure of Marc Bergevin but as always the club is in search for a "French" speaking person for the role.

Welcome to Quebec where the language you speak is more important than your ability and qualifications to do the job.

This time they found a logical work-around. They hired a "Senior VP of Hockey Operations" that does not spreak French (in Jeff Gorton) that per Jeff Molson will work as a pair with the new GM. It is pretty obvious that he will be the senior member of the pair, and whether expressed by Molson or not will be in the power position. The GM (and assistant GM) they find will be less experienced. Yes some of the french media questioned what the new powers the GM will have but Molson addressed those fairly well.

I don't fully agree with the GM and coach needing to be bilingual , but after listening to Molson I understand. The Canadiens are a business -- any team, especially in any hockey craved market -- needs to have a Coach and GM that talks to the media frequently -- it is what it is. The ability to speak to those fans is inherently one of the abilities of the new coach/GM that has to be considered per Molson. Personally I would view at as a strong positive rather than a requirement.

Many people thought Marc Bergevin was a great hire -- he was hotly pursued by many organizations 10 years ago. Too bad he stank (and should have been fired 3 years ago), but whether Montreal hired him or not, he was getting hired very shortly. The problem they ran into that time was he may not have accepted to come in under a person like Jeff Gorton if it existed at the time. But that is really what he needed -- a second voice.

I will say the requirement for a French GM have caused much more issues than that for coaches. Retreads and more misses have happened there then coaching -- Serge Savard was a great GM, but after guys like Houle, Page, Gainey (who could speak French passably), Bergevin have all been very bad -- and all were probably allowed to last on longer then they should have. That being said Gainey + Bergeving seemed like good hires at the time.

Regarding the requirements for a French Coach, consider the coaches that Montreal has added since they have went all french, and compare them to the more questionable list the Leafs had over that time.

THis is the coaches they had between 1984-2006. I'm not sure if any team in the NHL had as much quality as this, although some like Vigneault and Julien were young at the time. Although it was not all with Montreal, 6 of the 8 coaches were Stanley Cup winning coaches, and the other Vigneault is considered one of the best in hockey (and then there is Mario Tremblay who is in a "class" of his own
Jacques Lemaire
Jean Perron
Pat Burns
Jacques Demers
Mario Tremblay (100% Disaster)
Alain Vigneault
Claude Julien
Michel Therrien

It's feel a little off track since then, with Carbonneau, Martin, Therrien, Julien, Ducharme.
- Carbonneau and Julien were deemed very good hires regardless of language.
- Martin was very questionable as the expiry date had past.
- Therrien was strange, but he did turn around the franchise for a few years, but imploded as usual.
= Ducharme was an interim hire. Not sure if the intention was to keep him from the beginning, but the Cup run saved him.

The GM's of the team have been a bigger limitation during the time.
 
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This seems to be true. David Samson speaks about this from his time with the Expos before they moved to Miami.

David Samson - that names triggers me!

David Samson talking about qualifications. LOL. David Samson whose only professional jobs in sports have been working under his step dad who was a horrible owner himself (i.e Jeffrey Loria)

His largest professional accomplishments have been his ability to grift on a large scale (spinning off Montreal Expos, getting a new stadium in Miami). Oddly nobody has hired him after his stepdad sold the team in 2017. Apparently grifting is not the key requirement that teams are looking for. They are concerned about a career filled with incompetence, lawsuits, and one lucky season.

(You can go on in my rant, but basically the above summarizes David Samson and taking anything he says seriously)

I have heard him on the radio recently talk about Montreal as well. On Toronto radio mind you - he would never be allowed on Montreal sports radio French or English. He is engaging and entertaining to an outsider so I can see why he is seen as he is believable while he tries to rationalize or cover up the incompetence and questionable behavior he has been involved in, in both Montreal and Florida.

The "French" issue was never a problem in baseball like it is in hockey, for coaches GM or players. There was no expectation for such people because they really did not exist. Nobody whined about that like the French media does for hockey. It's simply an excuse by Samson to cover up the incompetent moves that he pushed for in Montreal.

Regarding the Expos - the Expos situation was a near dumpster fire before he arrived (and dying), but there was some slim hope with the Stadium Project which the Loria regime dumped not right away, but quite early in their time here.

There is some debate as to whether Loria/Samson thought they could turn things around. They did spend some money early on and may have tried -- a horrible Hideki Irabu trade, a terribly overpaid signing of a situational lefty (Graeme Lloyd), poor player development decisions, and I believe they slashed the development system (but my memory is not 100% on this one aspect). Hideki won 2 games -- the prospects they traded for him won 235 games!

But they quickly turned on the media and talked down the market, turned on the Stadium project, killed media deals when things did not work. It was clear fairly early on, but not initially, it was all about finding a way they could spin out of the Montreal franchise, and they almost certainly tried to accelerate the death of the franchise in order to spin themselves into another market which they ultimately did in conjunction with MLB. I'm not saying the Expos would have survived without them. but they did everything they could to **** up the franchise earlier and make fans experience worst. There was basically no English TV or radio deals for a few years.

They went to Miami where early on they won a World Series. After that it was a series of fire sales, grifting for a new stadium, mediocre play and lawsuits until his stepdad (Loria sold the team).
 
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