2022 Season Ticket Price Map

[TexanMark]

Glad to hear that as we’re committed to the upper deck corner now and I’ve never sat up there before.

Those are great seats up there.

 

[Stevenson]

So how does the process work if you might want to move seats? Is it you can move now where there is open inventory or wait til April and see which STHs shifted seats? If STHs sfift now to open inventory, do the seats they used to have immediately go back into inventory? There are obviously some value plays here but I am not completely clear on the rules of engagement. For some reason I thought they offered STHs movement rights first in mid March but my memory is a bit fuzzy on that.

I moved yesterday. I put a call and email into my "rep" and never heard back. I simply found a pair of seats I wanted to move to and bought them. I won't pay the invoice on my old seats. If the "rep" ever gets back to me, I will instruct them to release my old seats.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Syracuse before the raise was just about the cheapest overall in the ACC. Now they are about average.

However, the Dome offers a huge amount of very cheap $99 and $125 tickets. That is some of the best deals in all of the P5.

There is something for everyone.

Clemson, FSU, UNC, NC State, Wake, VA Tech, UVA, Louisville, GA Tech, Miami do not have the issue of their stadium being way too big for their fanbase.

We are in the same boat as BC, Pitt, and Duke. The four of us need to be different.

 

[David321]

Those are great seats up there.

Yeah I’m looking forward to them based on the virtual view. This is the row behind us and we have aisles.

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[TexanMark]

Clemson, FSU, UNC, NC State, Wake, VA Tech, UVA, Louisville, GA Tech, Miami do not have the issue of their stadium being way too big for their fanbase.

We are in the same boat as BC, Pitt, and Duke. The four of us need to be different.

A bunch you have listed have lots of empty seats. Clemson, VTech, NCSt are the best at filling what they have.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

A bunch you have listed have lots of empty seats. Clemson, VTech, NCSt are the best at filling what they have.

There is a difference between having empty seats for various reasons vs having empty seats because your stadium is too big. Miami probably should be in our group as well.

Realistically speaking SU's ceiling is consistent 8-5 type seasons. We can have single seasons be better than that but we won't ever have sustained stretches that are better. If we got to that point where we were 8-5 every year, we would still struggle to get to 45k a game. We have 10% capacity that will rarely be used even when we are good.

Now if SU put real seats between the 20s and reduced capacity to around 44k, that would make a big difference. You add value (real seats) and reduce availability. BBall capacity is usually brought up as a counter argument, but I think the last few years has shown that SU BBall might not need as many seats going forward.

 

[Finwad32]

Dumb Question - Went to pay my renewal invoice. Added a card. There's a section required to fill out right after expiration date... POST*

What does that mean? There's nothing to click for a description. Put the zip, put a post date, put the cv#, no bueno for any... I've never seen this before, am I a moron?

 

[FrancoPizza]

There is 8 price points now. The 200 tickets actually have two price points. If you are under the overhang it appears you get a discount now.

Install glass floors in the first few rows of the 300s to get rid of that discount.

 

[FrancoPizza]

There is a difference between having empty seats for various reasons vs having empty seats because your stadium is too big. Miami probably should be in our group as well.

Realistically speaking SU's ceiling is consistent 8-5 type seasons. We can have single seasons be better than that but we won't ever have sustained stretches that are better. If we got to that point where we were 8-5 every year, we would still struggle to get to 45k a game. We have 10% capacity that will rarely be used even when we are good.

Now if SU put real seats between the 20s and reduced

So you think we can’t return to mid 90s attendance levels?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

So you think we can’t return to mid 90s attendance levels?

Nope.

1. mid 90s still was too small for the Dome. We didn't come close to selling out the season.

2. we will not have the sustained success we had during that time. Yes, we can have great seasons but we will not have them consistently. Which means a reactive fanbase and no season sell out even if we are good.

3. not every game was on TV back then so if you wanted to watch you had to attend.

4. HD TV did not exist. Watching on a 24 inch tube TV is a huge difference.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Nope.

1. mid 90s still was too small for the Dome. We didn't come close to selling out the season.

2. we will not have the sustained success we had during that time. Yes, we can have great seasons but we will not have them consistently. Which means a reactive fanbase and no season sell out even if we are good.

3. not every game was on TV back then so if you wanted to watch you had to attend.

4. HD TV did not exist. Watching on a 24 inch tube TV is a huge difference.

Hard to argue with that, but for some reason i remain an optimist with football that we can beat those projections if we can sustain 8 wins or more.

 

[OttoMets]

Nope.

1. mid 90s still was too small for the Dome. We didn't come close to selling out the season.

2. we will not have the sustained success we had during that time. Yes, we can have great seasons but we will not have them consistently. Which means a reactive fanbase and no season sell out even if we are good.

3. not every game was on TV back then so if you wanted to watch you had to attend.

4. HD TV did not exist. Watching on a 24 inch tube TV is a huge difference.

Didn't we average over 48,000 from about 1991 to 1996?

On 2 through 4 you're right, that's enough reason to predict that we'll never reach 1990s attendance levels again, to say nothing of demographic changes in the region.

 

[TexanMark]

Many of us think upgrading the seating and reducing capacity to 44,000 is the right call. It is only about 5000 reduction but it is enough to drive scarcity for the best games.

A few thoughts going forward:
I think most televised cfb sports events are going to see less attendance across the board in the 20s. (4K,8K,etc..., ticket inflation, aging country, new immigrants not American Football fans). The top 25 programs will continue to prosper over the next decade as they are flush with money and fans willing to spend $$. The next 45 teams--> less clear.

Will cfb become a league of 20-30 super teams? Will it become a regional sport? Will radical changes be made rules wise to become more inclusive and bring back parity? Whole league structures will be radically different by 2035. Content delivery will not be free or virtually free anymore. Will athletes become nothing more than employees?

Even hoops is going through changes. Many don't remember but Syracuse averaged almost 30,000 for basketball in 1989-90. Going forward I think 20K is our goal now. The next 5 years are crucial to SU's brand.

What does this mean for Syracuse? We can't compete with the top programs in Football. Basketball we still have a chance but it is getting tougher. I see good ole American greed creating a 24-32 team super league by the mid 30s. Will we be in that? No! A good possibility we could in the next league down. Realistically for a medium/large private university in a medium sized metro that isn't bad.

 

[orange44]

Many of us think upgrading the seating and reducing capacity to 44,000 is the right call. It is only about 5000 reduction but it is enough to drive scarcity for the best games.

A few thoughts going forward:
I think most televised cfb sports events are going to see less attendance across the board in the 20s. (4K,8K,etc..., ticket inflation, aging country, new immigrants not American Football fans). The top 25 programs will continue to prosper over the next decade as they are flush with money and fans willing to spend $$. The next 45 teams--> less clear.

Will cfb become a league of 20-30 super teams? Will it become a regional sport? Will radical changes be made rules wise to become more inclusive and bring back parity? Whole league structures will be radically different by 2035. Content delivery will not be free or virtually free anymore. Will athletes become nothing more than employees?

Even hoops is going through changes. Many don't remember but Syracuse averaged almost 30,000 for basketball in 1989-90. Going forward I think 20K is our goal now. The next 5 years are crucial to SU's brand.

What does this mean for Syracuse? We can't compete with the top programs in Football. Basketball we still have a chance but it is getting tougher. I see good ole American greed creating a 24-32 team super league by the mid 30s. Will we be in that? No! A good possibility we could in the next league down. Realistically for a medium/large private university in a medium sized metro that isn't bad.

Hate to say it but I agree.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Didn't we average over 48,000 from about 1991 to 1996?

On 2 through 4 you're right, that's enough reason to predict that we'll never reach 1990s attendance levels again, to say nothing of demographic changes in the region.

I guess it depends on what one considers close. I believe the official capacity 1991-96 was 50k. Is 45k close (90%)? 47.5k close (95%)? 48.75k (97.5%)?

1991 43,444 (well below capacity)
1992 49,318 (that is close to a sell out)
1993 48,092 (that is over 95% but below 97.5%)
1994 47,746 (just above 95%)
1995 43,276 (well below capacity)
1996 48,177 (over 95% below 97.5%)

In the 2000s (21 seasons) we have hit 90% once (2012) and 87.5% one other time (2004). Oddly both of those seasons we only had 5 home games.

Edit

Looks like SU counted USC as a home game. So scratch 2012. In the 2000s we have hit 87.5% or more just one time. Going down to 44k capacity when you haven't averaged more than 43650 since 1999 doesn't seem like a bad idea.

 

[OttoMets]

I guess it depends on what one considers close. I believe the official capacity 1991-96 was 50k. Is 45k close (90%)? 47.5k close (95%)? 48.75k (97.5%)?

1991 43,444 (well below capacity)
1992 49,318 (that is close to a sell out)
1993 48,092 (that is over 95% but below 97.5%)
1994 47,746 (just above 95%)
1995 43,276 (well below capacity)
1996 48,177 (over 95% below 97.5%)

In the 2000s (21 seasons) we have hit 90% once (2012) and 87.5% one other time (2004). Oddly both of those seasons we only had 5 home games.

Edit

Looks like SU counted USC as a home game. So scratch 2012. In the 2000s we have hit 87.5% or more just one time. Going down to 44k capacity when you haven't averaged more than 43650 since 1999 doesn't seem like a bad idea.

Definitely lower than I remembered. That looks like pretty good evidence of the Miami/VPI in even years effect.

Anyway, with innumerable TV timeouts, reply, etc., we're never going to see those numbers again.

 

[TexanMark]

And especially when you factor in better amenities and higher ticket prices...going to 44K makes sense.

 

[NJCuse97]

I guess it depends on what one considers close. I believe the official capacity 1991-96 was 50k. Is 45k close (90%)? 47.5k close (95%)? 48.75k (97.5%)?

1991 43,444 (well below capacity)
1992 49,318 (that is close to a sell out)
1993 48,092 (that is over 95% but below 97.5%)
1994 47,746 (just above 95%)
1995 43,276 (well below capacity)
1996 48,177 (over 95% below 97.5%)

In the 2000s (21 seasons) we have hit 90% once (2012) and 87.5% one other time (2004). Oddly both of those seasons we only had 5 home games.

Edit

Looks like SU counted USC as a home game. So scratch 2012. In the 2000s we have hit 87.5% or more just one time. Going down to 44k capacity when you haven't averaged more than 43650 since 1999 doesn't seem like a bad idea.

Controversial question, but does this suggest that the MetLife USC game actually improved our average attendance? And we took the "home team" gate on that?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Controversial question, but does this suggest that the MetLife USC game actually improved our average attendance? And we took the "home team" gate on that?

I took those numbers from SU's website. I thought 2012 looked very odd to be that high. When I checked the NCAA site it said 37,953. The USC game was under 40k when I checked that. So I have no clue how SU came up with another 5k for home attendance that year. Maybe we need to check the NCAA for the real numbers.

 

[orange7]

So we know if season tickets are moving in a positive direction in comparison to past years? Any updates?

 

[TexanMark]

So we know if season tickets are moving in a positive direction in comparison to past years? Any updates?

What I heard is sales are behaving as they thought. They are not unhappy at this point. (2 weeks ago)

 

[SyraGus]

Dumb Question - Went to pay my renewal invoice. Added a card. There's a section required to fill out right after expiration date... POST*

What does that mean? There's nothing to click for a description. Put the zip, put a post date, put the cv#, no bueno for any... I've never seen this before, am I a moron?

I ran into this as well when adding a new card. The "POST*" field was automatically populated at some point in the process with my zip code and the four digit zip extension. I think it was pulled in from my home address which was already recorded in the database. I vaguely recall checking a box to tell the system the address for the card is identical to the address in the account. Hope this helps.

 

[hawkeye9723]

My brother and I have had season tickets in section 108 for a few years now. This year we have been kicked out and had to find new seats. Now we are paying more for seats that are nowhere near as good.

 

[TexanMark]

My brother and I have had season tickets in section 108 for a few years now. This year we have been kicked out and had to find new seats. Now we are paying more for seats that are nowhere near as good.

Unfortunately for you, the student section is growing. Were you in the recent grad section?

There are some great seats upper sidelines for $125. You are farther from the field but the sightlines are great up there and you don't have to look up to see the video board.

 

[hawkeye9723]

Unfortunately for you, the student section is growing. Were you in the recent grad section?

There are some great seats upper sidelines for $125. You are farther from the field but the sightlines are great up there and you don't have to look up to see the video board.

We ended up going to Section 310 for about the same price.