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People need to prepare to sit their kids down and have a conversation about the Pirates going on a run in the yoffs. They are that team this season.
 
UpstateSM said:
People need to prepare to sit their kids down and have a conversation about the Pirates going on a run in the yoffs. They are that team this season.
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Yoffs? While they’re seated tell them never to use this ridiculous term or risk being mocked.
 
SUFaninNJ said:
Yoffs? While they’re seated tell them never to use this ridiculous term or risk being mocked.
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Appreciate the negativity! Love waking up in the morning to some negativity. Better than coffee. Thanks, man!
 
UpstateSM said:
People need to prepare to sit their kids down and have a conversation about the Pirates going on a run in the yoffs. They are that team this season.
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I don't think they can score enough to sneak in BUT if they do, and Skenes and Keller are in form, they are not someone good teams are going to want to see. Of course we both just jinxed them and now I expect a 10 game skid to start today.
 
Newhouser said:
I don't think they can score enough to sneak in BUT if they do, and Skenes and Keller are in form, they are not someone good teams are going to want to see. Of course we both just jinxed them and now I expect a 10 game skid to start today.
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Jared Jones is very good and I like Ortiz a lot too. They have 8 starting pitchers. If they could flip one or two to get more offense, watch out.

lastwordonsports.com

Pirates Have a Nice Problem with 8 Starting Pitchers

The Pittsburgh Pirates are a rare team with an abundance of riches when it comes to starting pitchers, eight of them to be exact.
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sutomcat said:
Jared Jones is very good and I like Ortiz a lot too. They have 8 starting pitchers. If they could flip one or two to get more offense, watch out.

lastwordonsports.com

Pirates Have a Nice Problem with 8 Starting Pitchers

The Pittsburgh Pirates are a rare team with an abundance of riches when it comes to starting pitchers, eight of them to be exact.
lastwordonsports.com
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I like the Pirates - as a fan of the Expos a fan of the small mid market team, that has still been screwed by bad ownership. Would love to see them make the playoffs.

That being said I don't really buy what the article is selling -- a bit of a homer job to me -- its not really depth of "8", its a fan writer overvaluing some of his team's players.

The veterans -- Perez, Falter, and Gonzalez really have no trade value (other than fringe prospects in return). Unless the Pirates want to to trade Ortiz and Priester (which doesn't make sense in their current state), they can't flip this pitching "depth" into bats.

They will have to get bats by trading some minor league prospects. I think they could get one bat, like a Jesse Winker, to show that they believe in the team.

Martin Perez, Bailey Falter, Gonzalez are either below, or in the case of the last two, maybe average starters. The vet filled their role as innings eaters this year, which was not supposed to be a competitive season, until others were ready. Its not complicated what to do with Martin Perez and his 5.61 ERA at this point.

The other issue for the Pirates is Jared Jones injury is somewhat dragging and he is on a clear innings limit - they are not rushing him back. perhaps with the hope that he can then go full out after that. Will they watch Skenes innings? Not sure. So it might be worth keeping guys like Falter and Gonzales as swing men.
 
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jncuse said:
I like the Pirates - as a fan of the Expos a fan of the small mid market team, that has still been screwed by bad ownership. Would love to see them make the playoffs.

That being said I don't really buy what the article is selling -- a bit of a homer job to me -- its not really depth of "8", its a fan writer overvaluing some of his team's players.

The veterans -- Perez, Falter, and Gonzalez really have no trade value (other than fringe prospects in return). Unless the Pirates want to to trade Ortiz and Priester (which doesn't make sense in their current state), they can't flip this pitching "depth" into bats.

They will have to get bats by trading some minor league prospects. I think they could get one bat, like a Jesse Winker, to show that they believe in the team.

Martin Perez, Bailey Falter, Gonzalez are either below, or in the case of the last two, maybe average starters. The vet filled their role as innings eaters this year, which was not supposed to be a competitive season, until others were ready. Its not complicated what to do with Martin Perez and his 5.61 ERA at this point.

The other issue for the Pirates is Jared Jones injury is somewhat dragging and he is on a clear innings limit - they are not rushing him back. perhaps with the hope that he can then go full out after that. Will they watch Skenes innings? Not sure. So it might be worth keeping guys like Falter and Gonzales as swing men.
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Agree the writer is biased but I do like their young core of pitchers.

They are going to be a problem for a few years if they can keep them healthy.
 
Newhouser said:
I don't think they can score enough to sneak in BUT if they do, and Skenes and Keller are in form, they are not someone good teams are going to want to see. Of course we both just jinxed them and now I expect a 10 game skid to start today.
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They are just a super fun team to watch. Very happy that I financially hitched my wagon to them while I am boycotting my Red Sox.

I also have similar opinions on the Royals but that's less of a hot take than it was in March.
 
sutomcat said:
Agree the writer is biased but I do like their young core of pitchers.

They are going to be a problem for a few years if they can keep them healthy.
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They do have a very good young core.
You hit the point with any young staff - health or decline for whatever odd reason.

Anybody that enjoys following the Pirates, and has never been to the Bucs stadium, should take a trip down this summer if they have a chance. Great park.

I went back in 2011 and 2013. 2011 was fun because there was some energy there as they were having their first good season in a while (sort of like this season). They beat the Cardinals, who played the worst fundamental game of baseball I had ever seen in my life. I left the game thinking this Cards team is awful -- they ended up winning the World Series.
 
For the first time ever, the best offensive position in baseball this year (based on OPS) -- Shortstop! Its amazing now the amount of great hitters now, who have the athleticism to handle the position.

www.statmuse.com

Ops By Position 2024 | StatMuse

Pitchers have an OPS of .000 this season.
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Comparison of SS to 1B over the past 50 years - you could see the gap closing. In prior years the difference was massive in favour of the 1B (as expected at the time)
2024 - .727 (SS), .715 (1B)
2019 - .766 vs .794
2014 - .672 vs .753
2004 - .723 vs .828
1994 - .706 vs .840
1984 - .629 vs .758
1974 - .622 vs .746
 
jncuse said:
They do have a very good young core.
You hit the point with any young staff - health or decline for whatever odd reason.

Anybody that enjoys following the Pirates, and has never been to the Bucs stadium, should take a trip down this summer if they have a chance. Great park.

I went back in 2011 and 2013. 2011 was fun because there was some energy there as they were having their first good season in a while (sort of like this season). They beat the Cardinals, who played the worst fundamental game of baseball I had ever seen in my life. I left the game thinking this Cards team is awful -- they ended up winning the World Series.
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I’m going in a few weeks and can’t wait to check it out. I’ve heard nothing but great things about it.
 
I can't even imagine what the Pirates will get in return when they trade Skenes in three years. Will be historical if he stays healthy.
 
It's insane that the Chicago White Sox went 93-69 in 2021, with a decent amount of young/youngish core of players (at the time), supplemented by good veterans, and just 3 years later are a historically bad team 27-87.

Tim Anderson at 28 was an All-Star. 3 years later he is out of baseball.
Yoan Moncada was 26. He was basically an all-star at 24 in 2019. He is hurt and has regressed a lot since 2019.
Luis Robert was 23 and bashing.

They had other good young bats play productive in half season runs (Eloy Jimenez 24, Gavin Sheets 25, Nick Madrigal 24).

Carlos Rodon 28, Dylan Cease 25, Lucas Gioloto 26 were all very effective starters.
Kopech was 25, Crochet was 22, and were key bullpen members.
 
jncuse said:
It's insane that the Chicago White Sox went 93-69 in 2021, with a decent amount of young/youngish core of players (at the time), supplemented by good veterans, and just 3 years later are a historically bad team 27-87.

Tim Anderson at 28 was an All-Star. 3 years later he is out of baseball.
Yoan Moncada was 26. He was basically an all-star at 24 in 2019. He is hurt and has regressed a lot since 2019.
Luis Robert was 23 and bashing.

They had other good young bats play productive in half season runs (Eloy Jimenez 24, Gavin Sheets 25, Nick Madrigal 24).

Carlos Rodon 28, Dylan Cease 25, Lucas Gioloto 26 were all very effective starters.
Kopech was 25, Crochet was 22, and were key bullpen members.
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Someone will write a book about this. Jerry Reinsdorf will have a prominent role, I'm sure.
 
The ‘other’ Billy Bean died: Bean, 60, openly gay ex-player and MLB VP, dies

He was also a “baseball executive” and I’ve already heard a radio host bemoan the death of the “Money Ball” Billy Beane and get corrected that he’s still alive.

Billy Bean - Wikipedia

Billy Beane - Wikipedia

They both played outfield for the 1988 Toledo Mud Hens and I remember listening to Syracuse chiefs games that year and hearing ‘Billy Bean makes a great catch along the right field line…Billy Beane makes a leaping grab at the left field fence…Billy Bean bunts and Billy Beane slides in from third…” I thought, boy, this guy is FAST!
 
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