2024 New York Mets Thread

[sutomcat]

It would appear the Braves tried to make some extra money by making a major gamble, which blew up in their faces.

Now, whoever survives between the Braves and Mets and makes the playoffs is totally screwed.

It is a huge disadvantage to have to play 2 games on the same day your future opponent is resting.

This really stinks. And I have nothing to watch now tonight as well.

 

[upperdeck]

or tomorrow night.

can catch the ariz or SD games but that requires staying up pretty late

 

[SWC75]

The way he Mets played on Tuesday, may be it's best to step back and reset and not have to face their two best pitchers Monday and we have a more healthy Lindor, (we hope).

Also, if either team should clinch a spot over the other after the first game, it won't be a doubleheader.

Meanwhile here comes the team that got us off to such a lousy start his year.

 

[Cusefan95]

I don't know that baseball could do much until the game was rained out unless Atlanta wanted to get it moved up. Until the game starts the home team controls the action. Except for the playoffs, maybe the should fix that rule so games this late dont get so messed up.

Only good knews is we wont face Fried or Sales now that last day.

MLB could have stepped in and overruled the Braves - which they should have done. MLB controls the overall schedule and could have forced the Braves to make the changes. The problem is Manfred is a useless clown; he didn’t want to upset the Braves by making the right call and do here we are.

 

[upperdeck]

Yes they waited too long for ATL to make the right call.

But if Sales is hurt as people think. That makes sense that ATL wanted to get the games moved back, but even one game would have done that purpose

 

[sutomcat]

Yes they waited too long for ATL to make the right call.

But if Sales is hurt as people think. That makes sense that ATL wanted to get the games moved back, but even one game would have done that purpose

There is talk of holding Sale and not starting him until Monday, and only starting him then if absolutely needed.

I agree there has to be serious concern for his health if he is not scheduled to pitch today. I wonder if he is done and they are trying to keep it quiet for as long as possible?

Very interested to see with the Mets do with 5 starters in 4 days (and then hopefully 3 more starters on consecutive days).

Let's assume they end up having to play a double header on Monday.

Let's assume they make the playoffs and have to play on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.

They have to come up with a sixth starter, or pitch someone with 4 days of rest. The article I read suggested it might be better to do a bullpen game with Milwaukee on Saturday or Sunday (rather than against the Braves or in the playoffs). Big decisions are going to need to be made.

It makes the games tonight and tomorrow really important. They were already but the pressure really ramps up if they lose one or both of these. Doing a bullpen game the day before a doubleheader seems like a really bad idea. I think the play here is to pitch your best from the start and try to sweep the series against the Brewers.

Hold off on doing a bullpen game until the second game of the doubleheader against the Braves. Hopefully it is not needed and the team can move on to the playoffs without completing draining the pitching staff.

 

[upperdeck]

they will get an extra arm for the DH, so that could be a starter for the ATL series as well. who i wouldnt guess

is Atl gonna get rained out today and have to play 2 DHs?

 

[sutomcat]

they will get an extra arm for the DH, so that could be a starter for the ATL series as well. who i wouldnt guess

is Atl gonna get rained out today and have to play 2 DHs?

Heard Fujinami, Kranick or Gage. Though some have been tossing Segna's name around as well.

 

[ScrabbCuse]

Looks like the best scenario is win today paired with an Arizona loss. That would clinch a berth and no need for the doubleheader tomorrow.

Other scenarios are Mets and Arizona both win or lose, Mets need to win 1 game tomorrow. If Mets lose and Arizona wins, Mets need to sweep the doubleheader.

What the Braves do today is irrelevant. Mets would need to sweep both games tomorrow to finish ahead of them.

 

[SWC75]

Looks like the best scenario is win today paired with an Arizona loss. That would clinch a berth and no need for the doubleheader tomorrow.

Other scenarios are Mets and Arizona both win or lose, Mets need to win 1 game tomorrow. If Mets lose and Arizona wins, Mets need to sweep the doubleheader.

What the Braves do today is irrelevant. Mets would need to sweep both games tomorrow to finish ahead of them.

Amazingly, that's right. We could still pull this out without having to play the double-header against the now red hot Braves at all. If we were one game up on Arizona, they worst a doubleheader loss tomorrow would do is put us back into a tie with the D-Backs and we won the season series, which is tiebreaker #1. Both games are on at 3:10. The D-Backs are playing our old friends, the Padres.

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[SWC75]

Heard Fujinami, Kranick or Gage. Though some have been tossing Segna's name around as well.

Wouldn't it be something if Senga pitches us into the playoffs?

I suspect they'll use use the whole staff if they have to to win it today.

 

[OrangeFoo]

Wouldn't it be something if Senga pitches us into the playoffs?

I suspect they'll use use the whole staff if they have to to win it today.

The problem isn’t the pitching… the heart of this lineup is choke artists who continually prove they don’t show up when it matters.

 

[sutomcat]

Mets beat the Brewers 5-0. Didn’t look like the Brewers cared much about winning. Much like the way the Padres played against the Diamondbacks today. They lost, which was to their benefit because it forced probable playoff opponents the Mets or Braves to play a double header the day before the playoffs start.

Really a messed up situation.

Mets need to win at least one of these last two to get into the playoffs.

Mets will reportedly start Megill in game one. And Severino in game two. But if they win game one, they might go with an opener and effectively throw the game so they can use Severino in game one of the playoffs. That also pairs them with the Nrewers instead of San Diego, which seems preferable.

If they lose game one and have to use Sevy in game two of the DH and he gets the win, they have to go to a bullpen game in game one of the playoffs or use a starter with 3 days rest.

Ugly but better that having to win both games to survive.

Spencer Schwellenbach is expected to start game one for the Braves. He has been good against the Mets. Some reports say Sale will start game two if the Braves lose game one.​

This sets up a scenario where the team that wins game one of the doubleheader tomorrow is in the playoffs and will start subs and use their worst pitchers to best prepare themselves for the playoffs the next day.

Arizona only gets in if one team sweeps the doubleheader, which is not something in the best interests of the Mets or Braves.

Hate the Mendoza pitched Maton and Diaz the last two innings of a 5-0 game the day before a doubleheader. That was idiotic.

 

[SWC75]

Mets beat the Brewers 5-0. Didn’t look like the Brewers cared much about winning. Much like the way the Padres played against the Diamondbacks today. They lost, which was to their benefit because it forced probable playoff opponents the Mets or Braves to play a double header the day before the playoffs start.

Really a messed up situation.

Mets need to win at least one of these last two to get into the playoffs.

Mets will reportedly start Megill in game one. And Severino in game two. But if they win game one, they might go with an opener and effectively throw the game so they can use Severino in game one of the playoffs. That also pairs them with the Nrewers instead of San Diego, which seems preferable.

If they lose game one and have to use Sevy in game two of the DH and he gets the win, they have to go to a bullpen game in game one of the playoffs or use a starter with 3 days rest.

Ugly but better that having to win both games to survive.

Spencer Schwellenbach is expected to start game one for the Braves. He has been good against the Mets. Some reports say Sale will start game two if the Braves lose game one.​

This sets up a scenario where the team that wins game one of the doubleheader tomorrow is in the playoffs and will start subs and use their worst pitchers to best prepare themselves for the playoffs the next day.

Arizona only gets in if one team sweeps the doubleheader, which is not something in the best interests of the Mets or Braves.

Hate the Mendoza pitched Maton and Diaz the last two innings of a 5-0 game the day before a doubleheader. That was idiotic.

We had to have this one. Basically the Mets are already in the playoffs, trying to avoid elimination. Mendoza had to fully concentrate on winning this game and focus on other games afterwards. The same will be true tomorrow.

If the Mets win the first game they will still have to play the second game to determine the second playoff spot. After a game 1 win the Mets would be a game ahead of the Braves and tied 6-6 against them on the season. A loss in the second gam would make them tied on the season record but give the Braves the tiebreaker.

 

[sutomcat]

We had to have this one. Basically the Mets are already in the playoffs, trying to avoid elimination. Mendoza had to fully concentrate on winning this game and focus on other games afterwards. The same will be true tomorrow.

If the Mets win the first game they will still have to play the second game to determine the second playoff spot. After a game 1 win the Mets would be a game ahead of the Braves and tied 6-6 against them on the season. A loss in the second gam would make them tied on the season record but give the Braves the tiebreaker.

If you are defending using Maton and Diaz today, then agree this was a must win but you don’t use your best in a 5-0 game.

Maybe if it gets 5-2 or 5-3.

But putting them in a game Milwaukee already pretty much conceded (they even took out their best hitter) is stupid.

Mendoza was stupid here.

I suspect the Mets and Braves will collude in the doubleheader tomorrow as already described so hopefully this does not matter . But what if they lose the first game and it is close and we use both and then need these guys in game two and can’t use them because they also pitched today?

Hoping for a split. Everyone will criticize the teams and the system when they see what happens but the teams are just going to act in their own self interest.

Who can blame them?

 

[SWC75]

If you are defending using Maton and Diaz today, then agree this was a must win but you don’t use your best in a 5-0 game.

Maybe if it gets 5-2 or 5-3.

But putting them in a game Milwaukee already pretty much conceded (they even took out their best hitter) is stupid.

Mendoza was stupid here.

I suspect the Mets and Braves will collude in the doubleheader tomorrow as already described so hopefully this does not matter . But what if they lose the first game and it is close and we use both and then need these guys in game two and can’t use them because they also pitched today?

Hoping for a split. Everyone will criticize the teams and the system when they see what happens but the teams are just going to act in their own self interest.

Who can blame them?

They will use them if they have to. It's not June.

 

[sutomcat]

They will use them if they have to. It's not June.

We all know what the date is. Except maybe the manager.

 

[jncuse]

My take as an outsider. Probably all pretty obvious stuff to most here.
The Mets chances of getting 1 out of 2, and a playoff spot are very good.

If the Braves win the first game, they have no incentive to win game 2. They will have clinched the #5 seed, so will manage their pitchers accordingly in game 2 and go in rest mode using low leverage guys, and might even bench a few starters. Alternatively in game 2, the Mets would go all out in terms of using their pitchers.

The first game is very important for both teams. Whomever wins first, can use low leverage guys or bench guys in game 2, which is huge as they set up for the wild card game this week.

Or will the Braves or Mets feel they have some sense of responsibility to the D-Backs in game 2, and go with their best team. I don't think they will, and I don't think they should feel an obligation given the extra workload they have due to this Monday double header.

 

[jncuse]

I raised it in the last paragraph above, but putting it in a separate post. Should the winner of game 1 (either Braves/Mets) feel an obligation to play their best team in game 2, since a playoff spot is still at stake for other teams?

My view is that if this was the final game of the season on a Sunday, I think it might be a fair expectation. And some teams would / some wouldn't. But given that it is a Monday DH, I think their should be no such obligation.

 

[ScrabbCuse]

I raised it in the last paragraph above, but putting it in a separate post. Should the winner of game 1 (either Braves/Mets) feel an obligation to play their best team in game 2, since a playoff spot is still at stake for other teams?

My view is that if this was the final game of the season on a Sunday, I think it might be a fair expectation. And some teams would / some wouldn't. But given that it is a Monday DH, I think their should be no such obligation.

No obligation whatsoever. Arizona had 162 games to get into the postseason comfortably. Not the Mets or Braves faults if they don’t make it.

 

[SWC75]

We all know what the date is. Except maybe the manager.

Winning that game set up what jncuse is talking about.

 

[sutomcat]

Winning that game set up what jncuse is talking about.

Mendoza was just criticized about his management of the pitching staff on the MLB channel.

He should have used other pitchers to pitch the 8th and 9th and only gone to his best if the game got close (i.e if the Brewers got within 3). That is my position/

You don't use your best assets in a blow out game with only 6 outs left. Not when you are about to (hopefully) play 5 games in the next 4 days.

I like Mendoza and think overall he has done a fine job. But this was a big mistake and I hope it doesn't cost the Mets a playoff spot.

Whoever wins the first game of the doubleheader gets the huge benefit of saving a top starter for game one of the playoffs. If the Mets lose game one of the doubleheader, they have to use Severino in game two and then have no rested starter to pitch in the first game of the playoffs.

Great to have a chance to make the playoffs though.

 

[SWC75]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5802332/2024/09/29/mets-wild-card-scenarios/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983&userId=5973799

"It’s a really short runway, but we do have three games, and three games are opportunities for us. In order for us to get where we need to go, we need to capitalize on opportunities.”

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5804314/2024/09/29/mets-braves-wild-card-doubleheader/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983&userId=5973799

“A looseness returning to the Mets clubhouse Sunday offers promise, too. Martinez, among others, sensed a tightness, a growing pressure, around the team since a few days ago in Atlanta. That vibe followed them to Milwaukee, where they dropped the first two games, looking tight.

Martinez and Lindor said the group talked about letting go of some pressure. Lindor mentioned something president of baseball operations David Stearns said in a recent meeting: “You don’t have to be someone else.” The loose translation: There’s no need for “hero-ball,” so do your part and trust the next person does theirs. Lindor and others seemed to dig it...It’s gonna be an uphill fight just like it has been the whole year. You just have to go out there and play the game the right way, and hopefully we come out on top.”

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5805261/2024/09/30/mets-braves-doubleheader-wild-card/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983&userId=5973799

"Monday will mark the sixth time in the past 27 seasons that the Mets will either qualify or miss the postseason by a single game. (It’s happened to the average team less than twice in that span; Monday will break New York’s tie for the league lead with the Astros.)"

 

[SWC75]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5804867/2024/09/30/mlb-mets-braves-doubleheader-lesson-wild-card/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983&userId=5973799

"The deference Rob Manfred typically shows owners is one reason he will end up serving 14 years as commissioner. But in this case, he should have dropped the hammer in the best interests of his sport. He seemingly had two solutions available: The shifting of last week’s New York Mets–Atlanta Braves series to a neutral site. Or the rescheduling of the series in Atlanta to include a single game last Monday and doubleheader Tuesday."

 

[GreekFreak]

What a game! It was a microcosm of the Meta season. Look like poo early, come to life and move in front, choke the lead away and then take it at the end. Let’s Go Mets!