ACC: New BCS, Orange Bowl, and what we should expect...

[arbitragegls]

in Raleigh NC for the 4th of July and just finished a long chat with my NCState source (cousin who is senior Administrator). Hopefully, I have been providing good information prior to this but thought today's in person discussion is worthy of a special thread. So here goes:

The ACC has come out of the last month much better than most bloggers, the twitter age, etc have given it credit. So I am pleased to tell Swain and WV Dude to go...themselves. Some very good pointers:

1. Why is this new BCS (dont know what to call it yet) different from the old BCS?
--dollars for the bowls will go to colleges and conferences without the NCAA taking a cut (this is huge additional dollars for the colleges and conferences
2. Projections are indicating that the dollar difference may be $500 million to $600 million being paid to colleges and conferences....up from $155,000,000 recently...that is a bunch of additional $$. The actual distribution of these dollars is not yet determined
3. There are three (3) contract bowls...which is 1/2 of the six bowls that lead up to the NC, there will be six (6) total bowls of significance which hosts 12 teams. The 3 contract bowls: Rose (B1g/Pac12), Champions (SEC/Big 12), and the Orange (ACC and other top 15 teams/Notre Dame or better) are the only contract bowls. THIS MEANS THAT TEAMS CONTRACTED WILL ALWAYS PLAY IN THESE BOWLS UNLESS THE BOWL IS A semi final bowl. If that is the case, and one of the 5 conference teams assigned are not one of the top 4 teams, then they will be moved to one of the other top bowl games--so the ACC best team (however defined but most likely champion) will not be shut out of a top 6 bowl game.
4. Insofar as the ACC is concerned, if its top team is in one of the semis, than the 2nd best team goes to the Orange Bowl (so long as Orange Bowl is not a semi bowl that year)
5. If two ACC teams or more go to semis, then the next ACC team goes to Orange Bowl (see #4)
--the ACC or other top 5 conference could have as many as 3 teams playing in the top 6 bowls
6. The ACC owns the TV rights for the Orange Bowl and will be allowed to put it up to the highest bidder(s)--only the ACC receives funds from it
7. The Six bowls mentioned above are considered ACCESS bowls...of the 12 spots available, 5 spots are given to a team from each of the B1g, Pac12, SEC, Big 12 and ACC.
--that leaves 7 spots available in these 6 ACCESS bowls...these will be available to all Division 1 teams...but remember, 3 of the bowls are contracted to conferences...so in reality, only 4 (at most) spots are available to teams not in the 5 top conferences and this presumes no more than 2 teams from any of the top 5 conferences are ranked high enough to be selected
8. The BE has no certain spot in the ACCESS bowls...it is going to need a team to be a top 12-15 team or better to even be considered (this has not been finalized as to ranking that makes decision to place teams in the top 6 ACCESS Bowls

This should make all 'Cuse fans as ecstatic as I am that we have left the BE for the ACC. The presitige and dollars that are coming 'Cuse's way are truly significant. NOW is another time to be once again be proud of our 'Cuse dna!

And insofar as expansion being a subject...forget about it!!!!!no team is leaving the ACC.
Happy 4th to all of you!

 

[kcsu]

Great report as always! Thank you for keeping us in the know . Is the BBQ wet or dry! Happy 4th!

 

[arbitragegls]

Great report as always! Thank you for keeping us in the know . Is the BBQ wet or dry! Happy 4th!

Thanks KCSU...very wet with very strong storms...been a terrible day...like last weekend in south fl. However, electric grills going and Jack w/coke so I am hanging in...hopefully no loss of electricity.
Here is cheers for your day!!

 

[kcsu]

Thanks KCSU...very wet with very strong storms...been a terrible day...like last weekend in south fl. However, electric grills going and Jack w/coke so I am hanging in...hopefully no loss of electricity.
Here is cheers for your day!!

Sounds good hanging at my place in MN for the summer just about to throw some burgers and brats on the grill. Ice cold Bud to wash it down

 

[JrodCuse]

Nice post! Those all sound like great points! So hypothetically if an ACC team is top 4 or 5 or whatever they will get a massive payday? Does that money goto the conference or the school? Out of that 500-600 million how much will be going to the conference to divy up among its schools? I would imagine at least some of that will get distributed to the conference schools not in the big bowls?

 

[TexanMark]

1000 thumbs up from the 1000 Islands

 

[rrlbees]

Again, I ask because I didn't see a reply the last time I asked, what is different for the bowls and conferences? I know it is worlds better for SU. But everything else with the exception of the semis and NC are status quo. The ACC has been tied to the OB for a long time. The Rose has always had their ties. The SEC and Sugar have been tied. The opponents have always been the best teams available whether it be an indie or a #2 team from a power conference.

I just don't see where this is new or great news. You've also made those points before and they have been in numerous articles.

The one thing I will believe when I see it is the payouts for the OB, RB, and SB tripling (although I had read the bowl payouts last year were $300M not $150). 3X is an awful big change. Where does the money come from?

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[sufan]

in Raleigh NC for the 4th of July and just finished a long chat with my NCState source (cousin who is senior Administrator). Hopefully, I have been providing good information prior to this but thought today's in person discussion is worthy of a special thread. So here goes:

The ACC has come out of the last month much better than most bloggers, the twitter age, etc have given it credit. So I am pleased to tell Swain and WV Dude to go...themselves. Some very good pointers:

1. Why is this new BCS (dont know what to call it yet) different from the old BCS?
--dollars for the bowls will go to colleges and conferences without the NCAA taking a cut (this is huge additional dollars for the colleges and conferences
2. Projections are indicating that the dollar difference may be $500 million to $600 million being paid to colleges and conferences....up from $155,000,000 recently...that is a bunch of additional $$. The actual distribution of these dollars is not yet determined
3. There are three (3) contract bowls...which is 1/2 of the six bowls that lead up to the NC, there will be six (6) total bowls of significance which hosts 12 teams. The 3 contract bowls: Rose (B1g/Pac12), Champions (SEC/Big 12), and the Orange (ACC and other top 15 teams/Notre Dame or better) are the only contract bowls. THIS MEANS THAT TEAMS CONTRACTED WILL ALWAYS PLAY IN THESE BOWLS UNLESS THE BOWL IS A semi final bowl. If that is the case, and one of the 5 conference teams assigned are not one of the top 4 teams, then they will be moved to one of the other top bowl games--so the ACC best team (however defined but most likely champion) will not be shut out of a top 6 bowl game.
4. Insofar as the ACC is concerned, if its top team is in one of the semis, than the 2nd best team goes to the Orange Bowl (so long as Orange Bowl is not a semi bowl that year)
5. If two ACC teams or more go to semis, then the next ACC team goes to Orange Bowl (see #4)
--the ACC or other top 5 conference could have as many as 3 teams playing in the top 6 bowls
6. The ACC owns the TV rights for the Orange Bowl and will be allowed to put it up to the highest bidder(s)--only the ACC receives funds from it
7. The Six bowls mentioned above are considered ACCESS bowls...of the 12 spots available, 5 spots are given to a team from each of the B1g, Pac12, SEC, Big 12 and ACC.
--that leaves 7 spots available in these 6 ACCESS bowls...these will be available to all Division 1 teams...but remember, 3 of the bowls are contracted to conferences...so in reality, only 4 (at most) spots are available to teams not in the 5 top conferences and this presumes no more than 2 teams from any of the top 5 conferences are ranked high enough to be selected
8. The BE has no certain spot in the ACCESS bowls...it is going to need a team to be a top 12-15 team or better to even be considered (this has not been finalized as to ranking that makes decision to place teams in the top 6 ACCESS Bowls

This should make all 'Cuse fans as ecstatic as I am that we have left the BE for the ACC. The presitige and dollars that are coming 'Cuse's way are truly significant. NOW is another time to be once again be proud of our 'Cuse dna!

And insofar as expansion being a subject...forget about it!!!!!no team is leaving the ACC.
Happy 4th to all of you!

Be interesting to see how the SEC-Big 12 bowl TV rights payout compares (where 2 conferences share the media rights) versus what appears to be the ACC "owning" the TV rights from the Orange bowl.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

We know that an ACC team is guaranteed the Orange Bowl in 8 out of 12 years, and if an ACC team makes the playoffs, a 2nd ACC team will get the Orange regardless of its' ranking, giving the ACC 2 teams in the "big money bowls"

We also know that during the 4 years the Orange hosts one of the semis, the ACC is guaranteed a spot in one of the other bowls.

Two questions:

1. If an ACC team gets selected for a semi when the Orange is hosting, will it automatically be placed there, or is there a chance it could end up in the other semi-final?

2. If an ACC team gets selected for a semi when the Orange is hosting, is there a guarantee that one of the other bowls will have to take a 2nd ACC team? Or will the 2nd ACC team have to earn the 2nd spot with a Top 12 ranking during those 4 years?

 

[kcsu]

Again, I ask because I didn't see a reply the last time I asked, what is different for the bowls and conferences? I know it is worlds better for SU. But everything else with the exception of the semis and NC are status quo. The ACC has been tied to the OB for a long time. The Rose has always had their ties. The SEC and Sugar have been tied. The opponents have always been the best teams available whether it be an indie or a #2 team from a power conference.

I just don't see where this is new or great news. You've also made those points before and they have been in numerous articles.

The one thing I will believe when I see it is the payouts for the OB, RB, and SB tripling (although I had read the bowl payouts last year were $300M not $150). 3X is an awful big change. Where does the money come from?

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From what i have read Bees there are two significant changes. First the fact that these bowls are now part of a play off adds huge value as it adds viewership. Second the NCAA is cut out.

 

[rrlbees]

We know that an ACC team is guaranteed the Orange Bowl in 8 out of 12 years, and if an ACC team makes the playoffs, a 2nd ACC team will get the Orange regardless of its' ranking, giving the ACC 2 teams in the "big money bowls"

We also know that during the 4 years the Orange hosts one of the semis, the ACC is guaranteed a spot in one of the other bowls.

Two questions:

1. If an ACC team gets selected for a semi when the Orange is hosting, will it automatically be placed there, or is there a chance it could end up in the other semi-final?

2. If an ACC team gets selected for a semi when the Orange is hosting, is there a guarantee that one of the other bowls will have to take a 2nd ACC team? Or will the 2nd ACC team have to earn the 2nd spot with a Top 12 ranking during those 4 years?

An ACC team has been tied to the OB.

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[rrlbees]

From what i have read Bees there are two significant changes. First the fact that these bowls are now part of a play off adds huge value as it adds viewership. Second the NCAA is cut out.

???? What are "these bowls? The "playoff" is the 2 semis and the NC. The rest are not part of a playoff.

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[OrangeXtreme]

An ACC team has been tied to the OB.

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Good. Since we'll be going undefeated in 2015, I want to make my reservations early.

 

[rrlbees]

Good. Since we'll be going undefeated in 2015, I want to make my reservations early.

Lol. I'm with on those hopes. But I meant, and everyone knows, the ACC and OB have been linked for many years. It isn't AN ACC TEAM WILL NOW GO TO THE ORANGE BOWL.

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[Toga]

From what i have read Bees there are two significant changes. First the fact that these bowls are now part of a play off adds huge value as it adds viewership. Second the NCAA is cut out.

And third would be that the ACC owns the TV rights to the Orange Bowl (presumably when it's not a semi-final site??).

Seems to me like one more step to creating separation of 63 teams and 5 conferences from everyone else (most notably the BE). The money will start flowing - the facilities will be built and it should end up (hopefully) with SU, BC and PSU being the only schools in the Northeast at the Big Boy table. Facilities and Big Boy status should help recruiting = more wins.

 

[sufan]

Again, I ask because I didn't see a reply the last time I asked, what is different for the bowls and conferences? I know it is worlds better for SU. But everything else with the exception of the semis and NC are status quo. The ACC has been tied to the OB for a long time. The Rose has always had their ties. The SEC and Sugar have been tied. The opponents have always been the best teams available whether it be an indie or a #2 team from a power conference.

I just don't see where this is new or great news. You've also made those points before and they have been in numerous articles.

The one thing I will believe when I see it is the payouts for the OB, RB, and SB tripling (although I had read the bowl payouts last year were $300M not $150). 3X is an awful big change. Where does the money come from?

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Unknowns at this point:

1) The actual Orange bowl TV payout to the ACC won't be known for some time.

2) The Orange Bowl opponent for the ACC is not yet determined.

3) The revenue divisions for the ACC, along with the other major conferences, for the 4 team playoff has yet to be determined.

4) The guidelines for the Selection committee in choosing the top 4 teams have yet to be decided on.

5) The Selection committee may have a role in determining criteria for the inclusion of teams not in the final 4 and not in the contract bowls.


News:

1) The ACC is one of 5 conferences with a guaranteed high profile New Year's day bowl, where the ACC now "owns" the TV rights for the Orange bowl for the next 12 years.

(Unknown: will sole ownership of the Orange bowl TV rights be worth more to the ACC than split rights between the SEC and Big 10 for the Champs bowl, which is a 5 year deal at this point.)

2) If an ACC team is in the final 4, the 2d place ACC team is guaranteed to be in the Orange bowl when the Orange bowl is not a site for the final 4.

3) Instead of only 2 teams in the BCS playoff, there are now 4 teams that will participate in the final 4, where conference champions will be given special recognition.

4) see unknowns above.


Not so long ago, the spin was the ACC was bypassed and there were 4 "power conferences".

At the current time, it appears there are 5 power conferences and teams like FSU, Miami, VT and others such as SU have every opportunity to qualify for a final 4 playoff bowl, or a high profile New Year's day bowl game.

Stay tuned.

 

[Moontan]

???? What are "these bowls? The "playoff" is the 2 semis and the NC. The rest are not part of a playoff.

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He's referring to the six bowls that will rotate in hosting the semi-final games. When these bowls don't host a semi-final they will host another top matchup. Of the 8 available spots in the four non-semi-final bowls, 5 are reserved for a representative from each of the "Big Five" conferences.

 

[rrlbees]

Unknowns at this point:

1) The actual Orange bowl TV payout to the ACC won't be known for some time.

2) The Orange Bowl opponent for the ACC is not yet determined.

3) The revenue divisions for the ACC, along with the other major conferences, for the 4 team playoff has yet to be determined.

4) The guidelines for the Selection committee in choosing the top 4 teams have yet to be decided on.

5) The Selection committee may have a role in determining criteria for the inclusion of teams not in the final 4 and not in the contract bowls.


News:

1) The ACC is one of 5 conferences with a guaranteed high profile New Year's day bowl, where the ACC now "owns" the TV rights for the Orange bowl for the next 12 years.

(Unknown: will sole ownership of the Orange bowl TV rights be worth more to the ACC than split rights between the SEC and Big 10 for the Champs bowl, which is a 5 year deal at this point.)

2) If an ACC team is in the final 4, the 2d place ACC team is guaranteed to be in the Orange bowl when the Orange bowl is not a site for the final 4.

3) Instead of only 2 teams in the BCS playoff, there are now 4 teams that will participate in the final 4, where conference champions will be given special recognition.

4) see unknowns above.


Not so long ago, the spin was the ACC was bypassed and there were 4 "power conferences".

At the current time, it appears there are 5 power conferences and teams like FSU, Miami, VT and others such as SU have every opportunity to qualify for a final 4 playoff bowl, or a high profile New Year's day bowl game.

Stay tuned.

Did you know that even last year every team had a shot at the 2 team playoff? Now 4 teams do. That is the difference. The rest is basically the same. With $$$ TBD. But I'm betting it wont be 3-4X as much that the teams see. I think the OB payout last year was $18M per team? So now it will be $54M - $72M per team? I find that impossible to believe.

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[rrlbees]

He's referring to the six bowls that will rotate in hosting the semi-final games. When these bowls don't host a semi-final they will host another top matchup. Of the 8 available spots in the four non-semi-final bowls, 5 are reserved for a representative from each of the "Big Five" conferences.

He didn't mention a rotation and that's why I asked what hw meant by these bowls. The increased viewership he mentions will be the 3 bowls used for the NC in a particular bowl. The others will be status quo because they mean no more than they ever have.

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[Toga]

He didn't mention a rotation and that's why I asked what hw meant by these bowls. The increased viewership he mentions will be the 3 bowls used for the NC in a particular bowl. The others will be status quo because they mean no more than they ever have.

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What would be your list of positives - even if they can't be quantified as yet?

 

[OrangePA]

in Raleigh NC for the 4th of July and just finished a long chat with my NCState source (cousin who is senior Administrator). Hopefully, I have been providing good information prior to this but thought today's in person discussion is worthy of a special thread. So here goes:

The ACC has come out of the last month much better than most bloggers, the twitter age, etc have given it credit. So I am pleased to tell Swain and WV Dude to go...themselves. Some very good pointers:

1. Why is this new BCS (dont know what to call it yet) different from the old BCS?
--dollars for the bowls will go to colleges and conferences without the NCAA taking a cut (this is huge additional dollars for the colleges and conferences
2. Projections are indicating that the dollar difference may be $500 million to $600 million being paid to colleges and conferences....up from $155,000,000 recently...that is a bunch of additional $$. The actual distribution of these dollars is not yet determined
3. There are three (3) contract bowls...which is 1/2 of the six bowls that lead up to the NC, there will be six (6) total bowls of significance which hosts 12 teams. The 3 contract bowls: Rose (B1g/Pac12), Champions (SEC/Big 12), and the Orange (ACC and other top 15 teams/Notre Dame or better) are the only contract bowls. THIS MEANS THAT TEAMS CONTRACTED WILL ALWAYS PLAY IN THESE BOWLS UNLESS THE BOWL IS A semi final bowl. If that is the case, and one of the 5 conference teams assigned are not one of the top 4 teams, then they will be moved to one of the other top bowl games--so the ACC best team (however defined but most likely champion) will not be shut out of a top 6 bowl game.
4. Insofar as the ACC is concerned, if its top team is in one of the semis, than the 2nd best team goes to the Orange Bowl (so long as Orange Bowl is not a semi bowl that year)
5. If two ACC teams or more go to semis, then the next ACC team goes to Orange Bowl (see #4)
--the ACC or other top 5 conference could have as many as 3 teams playing in the top 6 bowls
6. The ACC owns the TV rights for the Orange Bowl and will be allowed to put it up to the highest bidder(s)--only the ACC receives funds from it
7. The Six bowls mentioned above are considered ACCESS bowls...of the 12 spots available, 5 spots are given to a team from each of the B1g, Pac12, SEC, Big 12 and ACC.
--that leaves 7 spots available in these 6 ACCESS bowls...these will be available to all Division 1 teams...but remember, 3 of the bowls are contracted to conferences...so in reality, only 4 (at most) spots are available to teams not in the 5 top conferences and this presumes no more than 2 teams from any of the top 5 conferences are ranked high enough to be selected
8. The BE has no certain spot in the ACCESS bowls...it is going to need a team to be a top 12-15 team or better to even be considered (this has not been finalized as to ranking that makes decision to place teams in the top 6 ACCESS Bowls

This should make all 'Cuse fans as ecstatic as I am that we have left the BE for the ACC. The presitige and dollars that are coming 'Cuse's way are truly significant. NOW is another time to be once again be proud of our 'Cuse dna!

And insofar as expansion being a subject...forget about it!!!!!no team is leaving the ACC.
Happy 4th to all of you!

in Raleigh NC for the 4th of July and just finished a long chat with my NCState source (cousin who is senior Administrator). Hopefully, I have been providing good information prior to this but thought today's in person discussion is worthy of a special thread. So here goes:

The ACC has come out of the last month much better than most bloggers, the twitter age, etc have given it credit. So I am pleased to tell Swain and WV Dude to go...themselves. Some very good pointers:

1. Why is this new BCS (dont know what to call it yet) different from the old BCS?
--dollars for the bowls will go to colleges and conferences without the NCAA taking a cut (this is huge additional dollars for the colleges and conferences
2. Projections are indicating that the dollar difference may be $500 million to $600 million being paid to colleges and conferences....up from $155,000,000 recently...that is a bunch of additional $$. The actual distribution of these dollars is not yet determined
3. There are three (3) contract bowls...which is 1/2 of the six bowls that lead up to the NC, there will be six (6) total bowls of significance which hosts 12 teams. The 3 contract bowls: Rose (B1g/Pac12), Champions (SEC/Big 12), and the Orange (ACC and other top 15 teams/Notre Dame or better) are the only contract bowls. THIS MEANS THAT TEAMS CONTRACTED WILL ALWAYS PLAY IN THESE BOWLS UNLESS THE BOWL IS A semi final bowl. If that is the case, and one of the 5 conference teams assigned are not one of the top 4 teams, then they will be moved to one of the other top bowl games--so the ACC best team (however defined but most likely champion) will not be shut out of a top 6 bowl game.
4. Insofar as the ACC is concerned, if its top team is in one of the semis, than the 2nd best team goes to the Orange Bowl (so long as Orange Bowl is not a semi bowl that year)
5. If two ACC teams or more go to semis, then the next ACC team goes to Orange Bowl (see #4)
--the ACC or other top 5 conference could have as many as 3 teams playing in the top 6 bowls
6. The ACC owns the TV rights for the Orange Bowl and will be allowed to put it up to the highest bidder(s)--only the ACC receives funds from it
7. The Six bowls mentioned above are considered ACCESS bowls...of the 12 spots available, 5 spots are given to a team from each of the B1g, Pac12, SEC, Big 12 and ACC.
--that leaves 7 spots available in these 6 ACCESS bowls...these will be available to all Division 1 teams...but remember, 3 of the bowls are contracted to conferences...so in reality, only 4 (at most) spots are available to teams not in the 5 top conferences and this presumes no more than 2 teams from any of the top 5 conferences are ranked high enough to be selected
8. The BE has no certain spot in the ACCESS bowls...it is going to need a team to be a top 12-15 team or better to even be considered (this has not been finalized as to ranking that makes decision to place teams in the top 6 ACCESS Bowls

This should make all 'Cuse fans as ecstatic as I am that we have left the BE for the ACC. The presitige and dollars that are coming 'Cuse's way are truly significant. NOW is another time to be once again be proud of our 'Cuse dna!

And insofar as expansion being a subject...forget about it!!!!!no team is leaving the ACC.
Happy 4th to all of you![/quote




Certainly better than the doom your source was predicting a few weeks ago.

 

[omniorange]

I think some of the confusion in the total monies is that some posters are using the approximate BCS payouts from last year, which totalled close to $160 million vs the payout for all bowls which was projected to be around $280 million.

To get an idea of what the Playoff Event Bowls might potentially be versus the old standard, then one should take that projection which is $500 million and compare it with the payouts from last year's BCS bowls plus the next two highest bowls the Citrus and the Peach would bring that total up to $176 million.

It remains to be seen then how many of the ancillary bowls remain in the picture, but their overall worth was just over $100 million in the old system and I don't see that changing much in the new.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[rrlbees]

What would be your list of positives - even if they can't be quantified as yet?

The big positive is to SU. We should all be ecstatic. To the system itself, it is now 4 teams for a chance at a NC vs. 2 teams. That bring bring some increase to $$$ for those 4 participants ans their conferences. Other than that, the rest is status quo. Except for those 2 semi final games and the teams participating, I don't see the hoopla because there is none. The OB will still be the OB with an ACC team and a good opponent with the same viewership because it will mean the same as it did before. People are trying to tie the 2 semi games to the other bowls in their excitement when they are 2 different things.

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[OrangePA]

The big positive is to SU. We should all be ecstatic. To the system itself, it is now 4 teams for a chance at a NC vs. 2 teams. That bring bring some increase to $$$ for those 4 participants ans their conferences. Other than that, the rest is status quo. Except for those 2 semi final games and the teams participating, I don't see the hoopla because there is none. The OB will still be the OB with an ACC team and a good opponent with the same viewership because it will mean the same as it did before. People are trying to tie the 2 semi games to the other bowls in their excitement when they are 2 different things.

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I think it's a bit different isn't it?

There are no more auto BCS births right?

Doesn't that means more tems will have access to the top bowls?

 

[Noexcuse]

Are the semi's separate from the other bowls? Do the major bowl winners feed into the 2 semi's?