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ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

But your alternate plan is for ND to surrender independence right now, giving up the one thing it doesn't want to do, for the lowest price, and to voluntarily limit or diminish its program by doing so...in order to "save" the ACC and make North Carolina some more money.

That is better for ND how?

No matter what ND does, two super conferences will likely form and ND will have to make the same decision.

(Don't trust the Big Ten for one single minute)

I think that it is better for ND to ride out independence, renew the NBC deal around 2023, and see what happens.
You’ve never been able to actually quantify or explain why losing your independence diminishes your program. It’s clutched tight and makes no sense, whatsoever.

Furthermore, describing it as such while being helped in other sports and by your scheduling agreement borders on offensive.

I’m done worrying about what they’ll do. In the end, ND will serve its interests at the expense of the sport. That much will always be true.
 
I for one am sick of ND at this point. Whiny ass fans. A school that has been thrown life lines for other sports multiple times and last year for football. i hope this alliance tells them to off. I could care less if they go to the SEC Stop the charades
 
But your alternate plan is for ND to surrender independence right now, giving up the one thing it doesn't want to do, for the lowest price, and to voluntarily limit or diminish its program by doing so...in order to "save" the ACC and make North Carolina some more money.

That is better for ND how?

No matter what ND does, two super conferences will likely form and ND will have to make the same decision.

(Don't trust the Big Ten for one single minute)

I think that it is better for ND to ride out independence, renew the NBC deal around 2023, and see what happens.
With the way things are going their will only be 2 conferences SEC, and Big 10. The ACC can't survive through 2036. Swofford pretty much destroyed the conference with his incompetence.
 
With the way things are going their will only be 2 conferences SEC, and Big 10. The ACC can't survive through 2036. Swofford pretty much destroyed the conference with his incompetence.
Swofford had a choice, get more money in the short term or have a longer term GOR. He choose the latter which gives teams in the conference some time to maneuver and decide what they want.
 
Swofford had a choice, get more money in the short term or have a longer term GOR. He choose the latter which gives teams in the conference some time to maneuver and decide what they want.
Wrong.
He made a bad deal in 2010.
That had nothing to do with what you just said.

Swofford was awful at negotiating TV contracts. ESPN gave him crumbs to make up for the fact they cleaned his clock in 2010 and for that mistake he had to give them 12 more years of control for 2 subsequent moves.
 
Wrong.
He made a bad deal in 2010.
That had nothing to do with what you just said.

Swofford was awful at negotiating TV contracts. ESPN gave him crumbs to make up for the fact they cleaned his clock in 2010 and for that mistake he had to give them 12 more years of control for 2 subsequent moves.
In 2010 the ACC wasn't considered a power football conference. They were marginally stronger than the BE and clearly well behind the Big10, SEC, Big12 and the Pac10. What did he have to negotiate with, not much.
 
In 2010 the ACC wasn't considered a power football conference. They were marginally stronger than the BE and clearly well behind the Big10, SEC, Big12 and the Pac10. What did he have to negotiate with, not much.
Do you just make stuff? Like this post isn’t anything more than your opinion to justify what you say.
It’s not factual at all.
If the ACC wasn’t considered a power conference why did the Conference champion automatically get a BCS berth?

My god you just make these statements.
The ACC made a terrible deal with ESPN. Swofford screwed the conference with that deal.
Sorry you don’t want to live in reality.
 
People want ESPN to open up the tv contract. To make a difference they would have to up the deal another $10 million per team. I don’t think they have another $140 million to toss around per year. My cable bill is already going through the roof.
 
People want ESPN to open up the tv contract. To make a difference they would have to up the deal another $10 million per team. I don’t think they have another $140 million to toss around per year. My cable bill is already going through the roof.
ESPN has no incentive to give the ACC more money for nothing.
The ACC shouldn’t give any more years on the contract to ESPn.
ESPN has a bargain and with the GOR they have no incentive to pay more now.
They have the contract till 2035.

They have 14 years. No need to pay more for nothing.
The only way for ACC to make more money is if they get more NCAAT credits, sell sponsorship deals or the TV Network makes it.

ESPN has zero incentive to pay more money.
 
Do you just make stuff? Like this post isn’t anything more than your opinion to justify what you say.
It’s not factual at all.
If the ACC wasn’t considered a power conference why did the Conference champion automatically get a BCS berth?

My god you just make these statements.
The ACC made a terrible deal with ESPN. Swofford screwed the conference with that deal.
Sorry you don’t want to live in reality.
The ACC was always considered a basketball conference. Swofford did an excellent job keeping it from being raided growing it into a respected football conference. The ACC could easily have suffered the same fate as the Big12.
 
The ACC was always considered a basketball conference. Swofford did an excellent job keeping it from being raided growing it into a respected football conference. The ACC could easily have suffered the same fate as the Big12.
The Big XII was a merger itself.
It died because the markets of the conference were small and Texas wasn’t ever fully committed.
A&M and Nebraska left because of Texas.
Missouri left for survival.
Colorado wanted to be associated with the West over Southwest.

The ACC survived because the schools targeted didn’t want to leave.
North Carolina and Virginia didn’t want to be Midwest schools.

Clemson and Florida State have never been offered.
If those teams were offered they would leave likely because of the chit deal Swofford negotiated.

You are giving the guy credit for something he had nothing to do with.
 
The Big XII was a merger itself.
It died because the markets of the conference were small and Texas wasn’t ever fully committed.
A&M and Nebraska left because of Texas.
Missouri left for survival.
Colorado wanted to be associated with the West over Southwest.

The ACC survived because the schools targeted didn’t want to leave.
North Carolina and Virginia didn’t want to be Midwest schools.

Clemson and Florida State have never been offered.
If those teams were offered they would leave likely because of the chit deal Swofford negotiated.

You are giving the guy credit for something he had nothing to do with.
Correct. Clemson and FSU were linked to the B12 but that wasn't going anywhere because neither school wanted to be in that situation.
 
The Big XII was a merger itself.
It died because the markets of the conference were small and Texas wasn’t ever fully committed.
A&M and Nebraska left because of Texas.
Missouri left for survival.
Colorado wanted to be associated with the West over Southwest.

The ACC survived because the schools targeted didn’t want to leave.
North Carolina and Virginia didn’t want to be Midwest schools.

Clemson and Florida State have never been offered.
If those teams were offered they would leave likely because of the chit deal Swofford negotiated.

You are giving the guy credit for something he had nothing to do with.
He played the cards he had to play as good as anyone could have played them.
 
Correct. Clemson and FSU were linked to the B12 but that wasn't going anywhere because neither school wanted to be in that situation.
The only opportunity to increase the ESPN payout for the ACC would be to add a team. IMO, WVU is the only piece on the board, I mean Morgantown is basically in the DMV at this point with DC sprawl. I would think Clemson (and FSU) could push that forward. They would raise the level of football in the league.
 
The only opportunity to increase the ESPN payout for the ACC would be to add a team. IMO, WVU is the only piece on the board, I mean Morgantown is basically in the DMV at this point with DC sprawl. I would think Clemson (and FSU) could push that forward. They would raise the level of football in the league.
WVU is not DMV.
It’s Pittsburgh market.

The ACC isn’t adding WVU unless ND joined.
 
WVU is not DMV.
It’s Pittsburgh market.

The ACC isn’t adding WVU unless ND joined.
DC has sprawled all the way out to the western Maryland panhandle. I don't want ND in the ACC. In fact any conference that adds ND will regret it because their mystic will quickly fade and their fans will go into hibernation.
 
DC has sprawled all the way out to the western Maryland panhandle. I don't want ND in the ACC. In fact any conference that adds ND will regret it because their mystic will quickly fade and their fans will go into hibernation.
WVU campus is 225 miles from Washington DC.
Saying WVU is DMV is like saying UConn is NYC or Rutgers is Philadelphia.
 
DC has sprawled all the way out to the western Maryland panhandle. I don't want ND in the ACC. In fact any conference that adds ND will regret it because their mystic will quickly fade and their fans will go into hibernation.
ND fans will NEVER go into hibernation. They are all over the world. You can go to China and say "Notre Dame" and they would know what you mean.
 
ND fans will NEVER go into hibernation. They are all over the world. You can go to China and say "Notre Dame" and they would know what you mean.
That's the thing that I disagree with fellow ND fans. I do not believe we would wither away just because we joined a conference. We're not PSU or Nebby, we have a different type of reach.

But all the same the uniqueness of independence is important and needs to be protected because it is part of our identity. But I do not fear losing it (independence).
 
I assume you know that means Notre Dame too. The reality is that now that the SEC has gone full force to try to out Big Ten the Big Ten in the race to amass the most money to run the most 'others' out of competition, before too long, everybody able to play what we now see as Major College Football will be a member of either the SEC or the Big Ten. There will be just 2 giant monopolies. It will be like Coca Cola and PepsiCo. But there won't be any Dr. Pepper that is independent in any sense. Notre Dame also will either join one of the 2 or else choose to step down, to something more comparable to the Ivy League.
The ND administration has long made it known that if "pay for play" ever comes in, they wil not be a party to it and will go to the highest level division/subdivision/whatever it's called that does not have "pay to play". You can view this as a non-negotiable legacy of Father Hesburgh.
 
That's the thing that I disagree with fellow ND fans. I do not believe we would wither away just because we joined a conference. We're not PSU or Nebby, we have a different type of reach.

But all the same the uniqueness of independence is important and needs to be protected because it is part of our identity. But I do not fear losing it (independence).
It depends on the conference. Even you have a degree of ND hubris. The simple fact is that because huge flagship/land grant state schools allied with like schools have a huge advantage in CFB, any conference defined by such schools will, without necessarily meaning to, level any smaller private school in terms of its football impact.

Dook could enter the SEC or BT with UNC, and Dook basketball would be fine, probably with no drop off, because the school type and size does not apply to basketball quality and influence/status anywhere near as much as it does to football. But ND football would rather quickly realize that to the SEC or BT and their members, ND is just another small, private school that has basically no say and no status.

That is the nature of the fire that ND has been playing with. And unlike Dook basketball the past 30 years, ND football is a very long way from the 1970s.
 
It depends on the conference. Even you have a degree of ND hubris. The simple fact is that because huge flagship/land grant state schools allied with like schools have a huge advantage in CFB, any conference defined by such schools will, without necessarily meaning to, level any smaller private school in terms of its football impact.

Dook could enter the SEC or BT with UNC, and Dook basketball would be fine, probably with no drop off, because the school type and size does not apply to basketball quality and influence/status anywhere near as much as it does to football. But ND football would rather quickly realize that to the SEC or BT and their members, ND is just another small, private school that has basically no say and no status.

That is the nature of the fire that ND has been playing with. And unlike Dook basketball the past 30 years, ND football is a very long way from the 1970s.
We're a long way from the 70's, but we still have some built-in advantages. I really do not see it as playing with fire. IF we entered the ACC it would be the most beneficial to maintaining what we have experienced the last 5-7 years. The Pac and the ACC are the conferences that best suit us currently. The ACC would be invested in lifting us up to maintain a blueblood positioning. The SEC and Big we would have to fight and invest massive money.

Again I do not fear it, we could survive in the Big 10 fine (not that I want that). But it would be a battle with other massive brands. We are not a normal small private school, we have a ton of equity built up.
 
The Big XII was a merger itself.
It died because the markets of the conference were small and Texas wasn’t ever fully committed.
A&M and Nebraska left because of Texas.
Missouri left for survival.
Colorado wanted to be associated with the West over Southwest.

The ACC survived because the schools targeted didn’t want to leave.
North Carolina and Virginia didn’t want to be Midwest schools.

Clemson and Florida State have never been offered.
If those teams were offered they would leave likely because of the chit deal Swofford negotiated.

You are giving the guy credit for something he had nothing to do with.
Your opening sentence tells a truth that few seem to know: the Big XII is not, and never was, the Big 8 that added 4 teams from the SWC. Nebraska persisted in seeing things that way, and that was key to what happened between Nebraska and Texas.

After the SEC added Arkansas and SoCar, the SWC and Big 8 began discussing a scheduling alliance. That led to the Big 8 actually offering to merge with the SWC and have a 16 team Super Conference. Texas rejected that. Texas wanted the SWC to dissolve, and likewise wanted the Big 8 to dissolve, and then have a new conference formed, with its own charter members. Texas preferred only 10 members and preferred it be just it and A&M from SWC, but the Big 8 schools and A&M wanted 12 and a Championship Game.
 
WVU campus is 225 miles from Washington DC.
Saying WVU is DMV is like saying UConn is NYC or Rutgers is Philadelphia.
Lived in the DMV, personally knew multiple people who commuted WV to Baltimore area for work. Also knew many WVU alum in the DMV area. Nutty commute but yeah theres deff a good WV presence in the DMV
 
Lived in the DMV, personally knew multiple people who commuted WV to Baltimore area for work. Also knew many WVU alum in the DMV area. Nutty commute but yeah theres deff a WV presence in the DMV
A presence is different than sayin WVU is part of the DMV.
WVU alums definitely live there and they can draw from those fans for games.
However the DMV is not part of WVU value.
Maryland and Virginia Tech probably have the biggest fanbase there. Virginia definitely has more than WVU as well.
WVU is part of the Pittsburgh media market.
 

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