ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[Alsacs]

Respectfully, I disagree. The Look-ins are more significant than you imply and allow for the increases to ensure the ACC is not an easy target for other conferences to recruit. ESPN must bargain fairly, the look-in is the time frame in which to do so. Any unfair bargaining on ESPN's part is a breach. Likewise, any unfair bargaining by the ACC is a breach.

Both sides will present their positions, the ACC for a larger amount crease and ESPN for a limited increase. Both sides will use hard numbers and each an fair market value. If one side tries too hard to beat the other down, they can breach the agreement. The ACC has more leverage because ESPN orchestrated the move of UT and OU to the SEC (ESPN has a stake in the LHN). This, any overly aggressive stance by ESPN can easily be I interpreted as interference. ESPN and ACC lawyers are well aware of all the facts and their is little likely to be discussed in the public eye.

Anyway, if you have other information, I will be happy to review it. Your opinions are just that, opinions. I respect your opinions and the opinions of others.* I disagree with many opinions, like your opinion that ESPN can rake the ACC over the coals (my words, not yours).

*I cannot guarantee I respect the opinions of Rutgers. Usually, I don't.

ESPN isn’t going to breach the contract.
They are going to show the highest rated games they had and how few of them were ACC exclusive conference games.
The ACC has no leverage. They are locked into the contract.
All ESPN has to do is show is the contract isn’t unconscionable and boom.
They aren’t going to from paying 300 million a year to 400 million a year just because.
The ACC has little leverage. If ESPN is using its muscle for the network, and promoting the ACC brand they can’t make the conference worth more than it is.

 

[longtimefan]

Dang, they said 41.

That could be a real problem for the ACC membership.

If ND football is considered to be ACC for scheduling purposes, the Irish will dominate meetings with USC and Stanford, and to a lesser extent, Michigan and MSU. All ACC schools will be frozen out of meeting USC (and others) because their annual game vs. ND will satisfy the requirement of one game per season vs. ACC.

Alternately, if ND is to be a true member of this alliance, can they be required to play only one PAC-12 per year--meaning they could only alternate USC and Stanford each season, thus freeing the other West Coast school to play other ACC teams?

 

[CuseLegacy]

 

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[FreakTalksAboutSU]

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Loss of amateurism is euphemistic for we don't want to pay people.

 

[TerryD]

That could be a real problem for the ACC membership.

If ND football is considered to be ACC for scheduling purposes, the Irish will dominate meetings with USC and Stanford, and to a lesser extent, Michigan and MSU. All ACC schools will be frozen out of meeting USC (and others) because their annual game vs. ND will satisfy the requirement of one game per season vs. ACC.

Alternately, if ND is to be a true member of this alliance, can they be required to play only one PAC-12 per year--meaning they could only alternate USC and Stanford each season, thus freeing the other West Coast school to play other ACC teams?

I saw a Dan Wetzel tweet before the announcement that said that ND games against the other two conferences will be counted as games against ACC teams

Not sure if that is accurate or not, but that was his info/understanding..






Dan Wetzel
@DanWetzel
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If such a scenario was enacted, the Big Ten could drop from nine league games to eight. Also, any game against Notre Dame -- USC and Stanford play the Irish annually -- would count as an ACC game.

 

[qdawgg]

David Hale - pretty much exactly what my thoughts were.

 

[Wrinkle]

Much ado about nothing, at this point. Schedule us some fun nonconference matchups and then I'll care

 

[nd1973]

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Super best friends do not sign paperwork. That whole portion for me was a giant eyeroll. This was a bunch of bluster with nothing concrete.

 

[Scooch]

"There’s a sense that big things are changing in CFB and they wanted to work in conjunction to ensure those changes happen in an intentional manner."

This, to me, is the key thing. Ultimately this alliance won't mean much, in concrete terms. However, it's a signal that the membership of these three conferences do not want a repeat of the past couple decades, where decisions were rash and strategy was haphazard. They don't want the SEC's move to set off another round of impulsive bloodletting.

 

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[longtimefan]

I saw a Dan Wetzel tweet before the announcement that said that ND games against the other two conferences will be counted as games against ACC teams

Not sure if that is accurate or not, but that was his info/understanding..






Dan Wetzel
@DanWetzel
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16h

If such a scenario was enacted, the Big Ten could drop from nine league games to eight. Also, any game against Notre Dame -- USC and Stanford play the Irish annually -- would count as an ACC game.

Which would mean that no ACC team would ever get to play USC or Stanford.

 

[Millhouse]

The SEC getting bigger and badder doesnt bother me. Getting left out of the p5 would've been terrible but being left out of p1, whatever. There are more than enough good teams to play and more than enough players to go around. Let ask the dorks at Arkansas yell SEC over and over while losing every game.

 

[HtownOrange]

ESPN isn’t going to breach the contract.
They are going to show the highest rated games they had and how few of them were ACC exclusive conference games.
The ACC has no leverage. They are locked into the contract.
All ESPN has to do is show is the contract isn’t unconscionable and boom.
They aren’t going to from paying 300 million a year to 400 million a year just because.
The ACC has little leverage. If ESPN is using its muscle for the network, and promoting the ACC brand they can’t make the conference worth more than it is.

You are changing your argument. You are correct that ESPN cannot make the conference worth more than it is. However, the ACCN is a success, ESPN just got it carried on a new carrier (you may have started a thread on the topic). ACC schools are responsible to make their respective teams better. Facts are what facts are.

However, you can correlate viewership and prorate the differences between the conferences, since ESPN is all about viewership and selling ads. This, if the SEC is worth X because of this amount of viewership, the correlation can be made to ACC value. And, yes. ESPN will argue the facts as best they can for their benefit, as will the ACC. An adjustment will be made.if appropriate. Being that their are significantly more households, ESPN will.have a hard time.arguing that point.

We will see.

 

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[nd1973]

Which would mean that no ACC team would ever get to play USC or Stanford.

Probably not very often. Our games in the past sunk prior alliances.

 

[NKR1978]

Mid season basketball games! We haven't had a big ooc mid season game since 04?

 

[Alsacs]

Watching clips of that zoom call my goodness what a waste of time.
It was basically we declare war on the SEC event and sorry Big XII event.

 

[WoadBlue]

Agreed needs to be 8. Baffles the mind that they would ever have gone from saying "We can only do 4 because of academics ' to...one more week? Lets add 2!

I cant remember ever thinking that a team ranked #12 got robbed.

The number 12 was to please the SEC (which usually assumes that at least 4 SEC teams deserve to be in the playoffs) and Notre Dame.

If they persist in wanting somebody to get a bye, then they should go to 6: the champs of the P4 and the best team from among the G6 and 1 at large.

 

[TerryD]

Which would mean that no ACC team would ever get to play USC or Stanford.

I wonder if that is the same result with ND games against Big Ten schools. From what I have seen, it seems so.

 

[KaiserUEO]

I saw a Dan Wetzel tweet before the announcement that said that ND games against the other two conferences will be counted as games against ACC teams

Not sure if that is accurate or not, but that was his info/understanding..






Dan Wetzel
@DanWetzel
·
16h

If such a scenario was enacted, the Big Ten could drop from nine league games to eight. Also, any game against Notre Dame -- USC and Stanford play the Irish annually -- would count as an ACC game.

that does not make any sense to me, unless they are saying that some of those 5 ACC games could be replaced by a game with the B1G or PAC.

i dont see the ACC liking that scenario.

if anything, by them saying 41...and speaking as 3 conferences...they basically threw ND in as a conference member.

i did not see a ND logo on the backdrop next the the PAC12, B1G & ACC.

if nd chooses to not act as 1 of the 3, then of course they are free to do so and goodbye.

 

[longtimefan]

I wonder if that is the same result with ND games against Big Ten schools. From what I have seen, it seems so.

This is not a way for ND to develop collegial relationships with their ACC brothers.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

The number 12 was to please the SEC (which usually assumes that at least 4 SEC teams deserve to be in the playoffs) and Notre Dame.

If they persist in wanting somebody to get a bye, then they should go to 6: the champs of the P4 and the best team from among the G6 and 1 at large.

The bye thing is crap. 8 is the number. not 6...11..or 12. 8.