ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[FRANKIEFAN]

Well if they suck, that gives us another win each time we play them. So win win!

Yeah them sucking is definitely the best scenario. There is no way they move the dial upwards and the ACC honestly is pretty much entrenched in its current status even if it was stronger yesterday its in the exact same position it was relative to every other conference.

I'll pass on the attitude going around of... 'Yeah now Stanford can recruit the East coast become a top 10 program and we can watch Justin Lamson come to the Dome and beat us hurrah'...

 

[orangepassion]

I'll just tack on that professionally- travel is much more commonplace today. Whether you work remote or in an office many of us travel throughout the year even if just domestically. D1 level Athletes do so prior to college too for events often on a regular basis.

Maybe they can play via zoom

 

[Orangezoo]

Funny.. when they just want a deal untenable to the other 12 to keep them happy. They already didn't give a crap about the conference anymore and made that clear.

 

[Bayside44]

That guy needs to go on a date.

 

[Orangezoo]

Maybe they can play via zoom

??

That wasn't my point. Just saying travel is much more commonplace in the professional world now. So it's not like this kind of travel is unique.

 

[gbo]

Mmmmhmmmm.

Quoting the great philosopher, Rasheed Wallace, "As long as somebody 'CTC,' at the end of the day I'm with them. For all you that don't know what CTC means, that's 'Cut The Check."

Y'all can go. Just cut the check for leaving early, set up the direct deposit for the tv money and we'll send our band there to send you off.

Y'all are one Saban retirement away from Dabo jumping and y'all convincing yourself that you have the next Dabo on staff.

I really enjoy your posts GBO. I really like Clemson fans. But y'all keep talking like you're Regina George in Mean Girls and you aren't even Gretchen Weiners.

Dang dude I thought we were boys...

I'm just relaying to you guys what I read and hear from our insiders. Ideally, we don't leave, the conference goes back to being just Atlantic coast and all is well. Unfortunately that isn't going to happen. It stinks because I grew up watching the ACC and Big East and now some of the rivalries are gone. The worst thing that could have ever happened was giving the conferences their own media rights. This would have been so much better if every schools pulled from the same pot.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

I can honestly say I’ve never watched an SMU athletic event, and didn’t even realize they were a power 5 school.

They’re here because of the Dallas market? Sounds like a southern Rutgers to me.

I watched the 1983 Cotton Bowl.

All I got.

 

[Orangefizz]

Welcome to Stanford, Cal and SMU. It isn’t a great solution but it was the best remaining option and I am glad the ACC took it.

Want to talk about scheduling a bit. With 18 schools for basketball, the ACC finally gets away from that odd number of schools and the problem of 1 ACC team having the weekind off each week during conference play. That is nice. Probably will keep the existing scheduling model and go from 20 to 22 basketball games in conference. Bad news for schools that like to play at Syracuse OOC to make some coin.

For football, there are of course 17 schools in the league. The easiest option seems to be to have 2 rivals each team plays every year. That leaves 14 other schools. Play 7 one year and the other the next year.

This brings the ACC to 9 conference games, which is controversial. But it is by far the best way to retain key rivalries and play everyone regularly. My guess is that all the conferences end up having to do this and college football expands to a 13 game regular season to allow some cupcake games against FCS teams and retention of traditional annual OOC games.

The B1G didn’t do this, which given how incompetent they have been at making decisions, makes me confident this is the way to go.

The ACC could also go with 4 annual rivals and then rotate through the 12 schools not played annually by playing 4 each year. So you play everyone in the conference at least once every 3 years.

That solution only requires 8 conference games a year and will probably by chosen based on that. But no one is going to want to be a rival for Stanford, Cal and SMU except for Stanford, Cal and SMU.

Here’s what I think will happen with scheduling
FB (2+7/7) BB 3(2x)+14(1x) = 20
Notre Dame (Cal/Stanford + 5)
Boston College (SU PITT)
Syracuse (BC PITT)
Pittsburgh (BC SU)
Louisville (VT MIAMI)
Virginia (VT UNC)
Virginia Tech (UVA UL)
North Carolina (UVA NCST)
Duke (WF GT)
NC State (UNC CLEMSON)
Wake Forest (DUKE GT)
Clemson (NCST FSU)
Georgia Tech (DUKE WF)
Florida St (CLEMSON MIAMI)
Miami (UL FSU)
SMU (CAL STANFORD)
Stanford (CAL SMU)
California (STANFORD SMU)

 

[gbo]

Yeah I hardly care. I hope all the malcontents leave ASAP.

You seem to be taking this personal.

 

[DuxburyO]

Yeah them sucking is definitely the best scenario. There is no way they move the dial upwards and the ACC honestly is pretty much entrenched in its current status even if it was stronger yesterday its in the exact same position it was relative to every other conference.

I'll pass on the attitude going around of... 'Yeah now Stanford can recruit the East coast become a top 10 program and we can watch Justin Lamson come to the Dome and beat us hurrah'...

Maybe Justin is a genius. He gets to play in the dome and still plays for his dream school. Those Stanford students are really smart.

 

[PhatOrange]

That's hilarious. oooooooo the bridge was burned lol.

and they basically can't get out for 12 years. How many of the decision makers at those schools will still be around in 12 years?

 

[NashvilleOrange]

That guy needs to go on a date.

The three schools may be pissed but as soon as I see West Virginia referenced in a profile all credibility goes out the door.

 

[MSOrange]

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Statement from John Wildhack on ACC Expansion - Syracuse University Athletics

This is an exciting day for the ACC, Syracuse University and our student-athletes, students, alumni and fans. Stanford University, University of California, ...

cuse.com

 

[Forza Azzurri]

Translation:

Akademiks is more of a hoby for us Seminoles so any schools who thinks lernin’ is that impotent makes us nervus.

And, to be honest, we don’t know what SMU stands for or where it is.

Do they play football? ‘Cause that is what matters.

So we vote “No”.

 

[Orangezoo]

Dang dude I thought we were boys...

I'm just relaying to you guys what I read and hear from our insiders. Ideally, we don't leave, the conference goes back to being just Atlantic coast and all is well. Unfortunately that isn't going to happen. It stinks because I grew up watching the ACC and Big East and the some of the rivalries are gone. The worst thing that could have ever happened was the giving the conferences their own media rights. This would have been so much better if every schools pulled from the same pot.

The sad part for both you guys and FSU is that when yall leave- if cfb isn't already broken even more, you will get potentially better TV money but then you also are a boon to the teams of whichever super conference you join. 12 team playoffs are cool and all but it's still gonna be a 2-3 team race and I don't see either of yall breaking through instead dealing with a much more difficult schedule and Bama, UGA, OSU, UM, LSU/Auburn getting richer and more dominant.

 

[MSOrange]

 

[MikeSU02]

Dang dude I thought we were boys...

I'm just relaying to you guys what I read and hear from our insiders. Ideally, we don't leave, the conference goes back to being just Atlantic coast and all is well. Unfortunately that isn't going to happen. It stinks because I grew up watching the ACC and Big East and the some of the rivalries are gone. The worst thing that could have ever happened was the giving the conferences their own media rights. This would have been so much better if every schools pulled from the same pot.

Haha, we are, we are!

I appreciate the intel, of course.

My whole thing with all of this is there are mechanisms to get out, it just is a lot of money... a lot. And it will always be a lot. You want to try to say it's illegal? Well, that will also cost you a lot of money to try to win in court and it probably won't happen.

In five years, let's say, there will be a new world order on the media landscape. ESPN may be owned by Apple or Amazon, who knows what cable will look like, what DTC will look like etc. ACC may not be a bad home.

Hopefully by then hover boards are finally here because I've been pissed about them not being available since BTTF 2 came out.

 

[Bayside44]

I'm sure the B1G will be similar.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

The three girls who told me that they wouldn't go out with me if I was the last man on Earth are now mad at me.

 

[MikeSU02]

Why doesn't that sound great? What's wrong with Dallas?

Good lord.

The old Big East ain't coming back. They went out for cigs and never came home. We have three teams actively working in a way that would HURT Syracuse.

This is the way it is now. Get on board or get the hell out of the way.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Today I learned that FSU and Clemson have two of the smallest endowments in the ACC. Half of Syracuse’s. So again I ask where they think they are getting money from?

 

[DocFlanders]

Today I learned that FSU and Clemson have two of the smallest schools endowments in the ACC. Half of Syracuse’s. So again I ask where they think they are getting money from?

Boy they better have infamous "silent verbal" although how hilarious would it be is FSU somehow got out next year and wasn't offered a an SEC or Big 10 invite...now that's my dream scenario

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Obviously the bag man showed up at the NC State President's house.

I hope the ACC is able to add 3 of the below in 5 years to get to 20 before the 3 babies leave. Then when teams leave you can backfill with the best availables.

Arizona State, Colorado, Kansas, Utah, or one of Houston, Baylor, TCU

 

[NYCCuse826]

Curious what would you have done differently to avoid what happened to the Pac 12 with that current state of the ACC and knowing who wants out? Pay them what they want so they stay which would make the rest of the league basically subservient?

I'd have been more proactive. It's a failure of leadership in Charlotte to get the scraps of the AAC and Pac 12 because of some fake alliance with the B1G and the Pac. The latter had been on shaky ground for years because of Larry Scott's incompetence as Commissioner. USC took the first opportunity they had to leave by stabbing the conference in the back after pledging their loyalty. That was the first domino to fall. Phone calls should have been made and emergency meetings should have been taking place.

Let's stop pretending academics has anything to do with what's going on right now. Going off of that, I'd have begun conversations among the schools in the conference to poach the following from the AAC:

• Cincinnati (46K students)
• University of Central Florida (68K students)

I'd have reached out to the Eastern most BIG XII member (West Virginia) and see if there's any interest there. We've established that geography means nothing anymore. I'd go for quality revenue generating programs over academic institutions. You have Louisville in the conference and because of that, the ACC has forfeited any right to talk about academics.

SMU has donors, but donors can only give away their money for so long if there's no ROI. When you forfeit the kind of money they did, that's a sign of desperation and one I would be wary to attach myself to. That athletic department will be operating on a shoestring budget for the next decade.

I've already spoken my piece on Cal. The only reason their stadium got renovated is because it sits on a fault line. The administration would gladly let it decay.