ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[Alsacs]

Two points: you have no more knowledge than anyone else on this board, we all have the same info. You assume the PAC will not adjust, that USC/ND will not make sacrifices for the good, and that USC would not play 9-1-1-1 (9 PAC, 1 ACC, 1 B1G and 1 ND).

There may be other resolutions, such as your own suggestion of 8 conference games. However, you present that no options are available and that issues cannot be worked out. Negotiations include give and take.

Anyway, if you cannot grasp this, then there is little use discussing it in this thread and it should be a new thread of how ND is derailing the CFB world.

You can’t grasp Notre Dame and USC are playing every year no matter.

You want to be idealistic go ahead. I am not going to drink that crap.
I am no smarter than anyone else.
I just don’t play Syracuse homer card I actually look at things in a neutral manner when it comes to these moves.

USC and Notre Dame are playing every year unless their is a pandemic.
You want to be idealistic about this. Go ahead but don’t tell me I am wrong and you are right.
You are just doing what I am doing giving an opinion.
Unlike you I am not going to assume it will work out when the information out suggests ND football will be treated as an ACC opponent somebody told that to Dan Wetzel he didn’t make it up.

Assume the PAC-12 will adjust what?
USC isn’t going to let the PAC-12 tell them they can’t play ND every year. You want to wait go ahead and wait again I acknowledged USC could do 8 Pac-12/ND/1 ACC/B1G.

What the hell does quote “there will not be an expansion of the number of he's played” mean?
All 3 commissioners said yesterday they weren’t in favor of an expanding the regular season from 12.
What are you saying?

 

[Chris02M]

like it or not nd was essential in getting the acc network off the ground and in many homes

 

[Alsacs]

like it or not nd was essential in getting the acc network off the ground and in many homes

No it wasn’t.
It was Disney flexing its buddle muscle.
One ND football game is not getting cable networks.

It was all Disney. Giving ND credit is just spin to shut people like me who have no use for ND.

ACC basketball had more draw than ND. If ND was a full member they would make a difference.
Just like NBC is using Peacock with ND football to get subscriptions.

 

[Chris02M]

No it wasn’t.
It was Disney flexing its buddle muscle.
One ND football game is not getting cable networks.

It was all Disney.

your wrong but ok

 

[Alsacs]

your wrong but ok

Ok
Yeah your right Notre Dame at Duke football game in 2019 is why cable outlets agreed to put ACCN on their outlets.
Not Disney disabling ESPN classic from its stations and bundling ACCN with Disney channel, Disney XD, ESPN, SECN, ESPN2, ABC.
You are right it wasn’t Disney it was all ND.

ESPN had to give up the Duke game for ACCN.
It’s not why cable networks added ACCN.

It was Disney.
But yeah you are right.

 

[qdawgg]

The more I read and think about this, the less impressed I am. Feels like it's going to be a huge letdown...

That’s my worry too. Guess you’ll need to find some SEC boards to join in the next few years.

 

[Alsacs]

your wrong but ok

JFC
The ACC had give ESPN their TV rights thru 2036 for Disney to have incentive to leverage ACCN on cable outlets and you want to give that credit to ND. For all of 1 football game a year.
Yeah it was all ND.
Not the ACC giving Disney and ESPN financial incentive with a long term commitment which was gave ESPN the rights of the ACC at a good rate for ESPN so Disney had motivation to bundle ACCN.

 

[qdawgg]

Thank you everyone, I didn’t get a chance to look on the board today and the last 4 pages made it really easy to quickly skim to the end. Saved me so much time.

 

[Alsacs]

The more I read and think about this, the less impressed I am. Feels like it's going to be a huge letdown...

There is no paper.
When something is a gentleman’s agreement it’s hard to be impressed.

I do think it overall it’s a good thing but if the SEC offered Clemson, Florida State tomorrow they would go.

 

[007]

Not aimed at anyone in particular... just saying

“One of the great challenges in life is knowing enough to think you're right but not enough to know you're wrong”​

― Neil deGrasse Tyson

 

[TerryD]

Again fine every year ND plays at Clemson and Florida State and every year their home games are rotated among Duke, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Boston College.

ACC “honors” the agreement and gives their TV partner what they want.

The specific ACC opponents have been baked in by contract through 2037.

The conference and ND announced those opponents years ago.

ACC, Notre Dame announce football matchups through 2037

The Atlantic Coast Conference and Notre Dame announced all ACC-Notre Dame football matchups through 2037 on Thursday.

www.ajc.com

 

[Chris02M]

JFC
The ACC had give ESPN their TV rights thru 2036 for Disney to have incentive to leverage ACCN on cable outlets and you want to give that credit to ND. For all of 1 football game a year.
Yeah it was all ND.
Not the ACC giving Disney and ESPN financial incentive with a long term commitment which was gave ESPN the rights of the ACC at a good rate for ESPN so Disney had motivation to bundle ACCN.

your math is bad 5 games is minimum 2 acc controlled games per year. Some of the credit goes to notre dame whether you want to believe it or not because of your hatred of the program and some of it was because the acc was willing to extend the deal to get acc network off the ground instead of the digital version that proceeded it

 

[DoctorBombay]

Is it me or has this thread morphed into more of a isht show than usual today? Sheesh.

 

[Alsacs]

your math is bad 5 games is minimum 2 acc controlled games per year. Some of the credit goes to notre dame whether you want to believe it or not because of your hatred of the program and some of it was because the acc was willing to extend the deal to get acc network off the ground instead of the digital version that proceeded it

ESPN is not going to put more than 1 ND road game per year at an ACC team on the ACCN.
It would hurt ESPN/ABC’s bottom line and 1 game on ACCN per year isn’t why Disney/ESPN agreed to do the ACCN.
I am not going to say that one game isn’t useless but it’s not why ESPN/Disney invested into the ACCN.

How many Alabama SEC games ever appear on the SECN?
Typically the I-AA game they play every year is the only game they play on SECN.

Notre Dame’s inclusion probably isn’t one of the top 5 reasons the ACCN launched.

If ND joined full time yes they would be valuable.
They aren’t joining and this deal benefits them more than the ACC now.
The conference is stuck with it but hopefully the new commissioner doesn’t extend it.

 

[qdawgg]

Is it me or has this thread morphed into more of a isht show than usual today? Sheesh.

Nailed it…

 

[HtownOrange]

You can’t grasp Notre Dame and USC are playing every year no matter.

You want to be idealistic go ahead. I am not going to drink that crap.
I am no smarter than anyone else.
I just don’t play Syracuse homer card I actually look at things in a neutral manner when it comes to these moves.

USC and Notre Dame are playing every year unless their is a pandemic.
You want to be idealistic about this. Go ahead but don’t tell me I am wrong and you are right.
You are just doing what I am doing giving an opinion.
Unlike you I am not going to assume it will work out when the information out suggests ND football will be treated as an ACC opponent somebody told that to Dan Wetzel he didn’t make it up.

Assume the PAC-12 will adjust what?
USC isn’t going to let the PAC-12 tell them they can’t play ND every year. You want to wait go ahead and wait again I acknowledged USC could do 8 Pac-12/ND/1 ACC/B1G.

What the hell does quote “there will not be an expansion of the number of he's played” mean?
All 3 commissioners said yesterday they weren’t in favor of an expanding the regular season from 12.
What are you saying?

I agree that USC/ND is most likely to be played annually. Your assumption otherwise is your mistake. I have not stated otherwise, for you to reach your conclusion you have to read far more into my posts than exists.

I disagree that there is no solution to accommodating this game. I pointed out that you inadvertently provided a solution. However, you still insist that the ACC will be shafted no matter what. You have contradicted yourself because you propose a solution which is workable and then posit that nothing will work.

The quote you question was a typo and should have read "games", it has been corrected.

You opine that you are a realist, I disagree and see you as a pessimist, that is my opinion. We disagree. I see reason for giving the big wigs a chance to resolve matters while you can only fathom the utter demise of the ACC. While you may be right, I may be right as well. I have offered proof of past success, and while you have only offered your opinions of past failures. I am happy to entertain facts but opinions are not facts. The fact remains that the ACC intelligently worked out a solution to ensure ND plays every ACC team in rotation, five games annually. The ACC and ND have honored the agreement and have not breached. If you have proof of a breach, I will review it. That said, giving the parties a chance to resolve issues is not a Pollyanna approach. This goes on daily in the business and governmental worlds. I face issues daily and resolve problems. I see the ACC and ND have a history of doing so. Yes, I will give them a chance.

 

[Chris02M]

ESPN is not going to put more than 1 ND road game per year at an ACC team on the ACCN.
It would hurt ESPN/ABC’s bottom line and 1 game on ACCN per year isn’t why Disney/ESPN agreed to do the ACCN.
I am not going to say that one game isn’t useless but it’s not why ESPN/Disney invested into the ACCN.

How many Alabama SEC games ever appear on the SECN?
Typically the I-AA game they play every year is the only game they play on SECN.

Notre Dame’s inclusion probably isn’t one of the top 5 reasons the ACCN launched.

If ND joined full time yes they would be valuable.
They aren’t joining and this deal benefits them more than the ACC now.
The conference is stuck with it but hopefully the new commissioner doesn’t extend it.

2 for sure sometimes a 3rd

 

[OrangeDW]

They say ostrich has less fat, but you eat more of it.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

They say ostrich has less fat, but you eat more of it.

Now is that considered a nut? Because I know the cashew is a legume.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Feels like Tuesday.

 

[Alsacs]

. for sure sometimes a 3rd

2 Nd games aren’t going on the ACCN every year.
The Virginia Tech is the only one this year.
Duke 2 years ago.
0 last year.
1 this year.
ESPN gets 5 games every 2 years.
One game a year probably will be the decision.

 

[Alsacs]

I agree that USC/ND is most likely to be played annually. Your assumption otherwise is your mistake. I have not stated otherwise, for you to reach your conclusion you have to read far more into my posts than exists.

I disagree that there is no solution to accommodating this game. I pointed out that you inadvertently provided a solution. However, you still insist that the ACC will be shafted no matter what. You have contradicted yourself because you propose a solution which is workable and then posit that nothing will work.

The quote you question was a typo and should have read "games", it has been corrected.

You opine that you are a realist, I disagree and see you as a pessimist, that is my opinion. We disagree. I see reason for giving the big wigs a chance to resolve matters while you can only fathom the utter demise of the ACC. While you may be right, I may be right as well. I have offered proof of past success, and while you have only offered your opinions of past failures. I am happy to entertain facts but opinions are not facts. The fact remains that the ACC intelligently worked out a solution to ensure ND plays every ACC team in rotation, five games annually. The ACC and ND have honored the agreement and have not breached. If you have proof of a breach, I will review it. That said, giving the parties a chance to resolve issues is not a Pollyanna approach. This goes on daily in the business and governmental worlds. I face issues daily and resolve problems. I see the ACC and ND have a history of doing so. Yes, I will give them a chance.

Fathom the demise of the ACC?
You don’t acknowledge Swofford is why the ACC is in a huge hole. Which is why the ACC is in trouble.
If you do I will amend.
The ACC isn’t going to be destroyed but if the football big wigs throw their weight around then we are in trouble.

I don’t pretend we are bigger than we are.
The ACC is going to be shafted if Notre Dame Football is considered an ACC opponent. Yes or no?
What do you believe based on the reports already given as to whether ND will be considered an ACC FB opponent?
Not ideally but what has been said?

 

[Alsacs]

Hey gbo am i a pessimist or am I hitting the points that frustrate, Clemson and your fanbase which is football super power within the ACC.

That makes me a pessimist according to the Syracuse fan base and I’m a Syracuse fan.

 

[gbo]

Hey gbo am i a pessimist or am I hitting the points that frustrate, Clemson and your fanbase which is football super power within the ACC.

That makes me a pessimist according to the Syracuse fan base and I’m a Syracuse fan.

You definitely are. Our fanbase is severely concerned about all of this.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Relevant: you know what really grinds my gears about never ending pasta season? The first portion is way too big. Look, I'm a girthy guy, when it's never ending pasta time I want to enjoy a wide variety of sauces. I don't want a pound of pasta under the first sauce I sample. I want three plates each with a third pound of pasta and a different sauce per plate. I don't want a half gallon of Alfredo and then force myself to eat two bites of pesto. I don't want to gorge myself on mushroom sauce just to be rewarded with a spoonful of meat sauce because that's all I have room for. Give me flavor, or a coronary. Likely both.

Its the only time of the year when I take the idea that “a medium amount of really good food is better than an infinite amount of mediocre food” and just throw it out the window.