ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[TheCusian]

Again, the game will survive and be played on a yearly basis. History and relationships tell us this fact. But again keep chasing the thought that SC will drop us, that is cool.

That’s not what I said. I think all three conferences and ND will want to keep the game annual (as well as any TV partners). The thing that you seem to be missing is that is not ND’s decision to make as of yesterday. The three conferences are fighting for survival and won’t allow ND to derail the whole thing. It’s in everyone’s best interests, for now.

Independence in name only.

 

[JDemo]

I'm suggesting that if the reports and conjecture are correct then USC may not be an available opponent. 9 league games + 1 ACC + 1 B1G = 11. Leaving one opening. If ND isn't considered ACC, they would be the 12th. If they are, USC can argue that the ND game takes care of their ACC obligation. And the number "41" was mentioned several times yesterday, indicating that for purposes of the alliance, ND is ACC.

And if 41 is the number of schools pledged to this alliance, wouldn't that indicate that Swarbrick was involved in the Phillips-Warren-Kliavkoff discussions?

Since the Alliance is for football and basketball could the #41 relate to basketball only seeing that ND is not a football conference member?

 

[orangedave]

This is poppycock. Message board fodder, nothing more.

This entire thread is message board fodder, and yet, I continue to follow it.

 

[HtownOrange]

Suggestions:

1) For those that hate Notre Dame with a passion, please start a new thread, mods please facilitate this. You are ruining a good conversation.
2). ESPN does not hate the ACC. The ACCN makes them money, get over it. If ESPN is about make ng money (which they are) they will not prop up one property and tear down another, that does not make sense when both are money makers. You destroy your own arguments when you say ESPN wants the SECN to make all the money and will keep the ACCN down, and then argue follow the money.
3) While our faith in humanity has been restored with the obligatory UMass to the (ACC/B1G), that task has been met, let's keep it out of the conversation going forward.
4) Ditto for WVU, though humorous posts from their fanbase may be allowed if on point.
5) Stop with BU/TTU/TCU to the ACC or PAC. None of them add significant value. TTU is a state school in the middle of nowhere. Baylor and TCU are in the DFW DMA, but that is all. They weren't wanted in the B12, Baylor got in because the then Governor was a Baylor grad. TCU got in after the B12 was raided. UH has the best shot as an expansion team for either the ACC or PAC and it is less than 1%.
6) See #1, stop with the ND hate. Hate them for being ND ( I do), but if you have no real evidence of a breach of contract, just stop discussing such in this thread. To date, ND has been a good member of the ACC whether anyone likes it or not. Get over it, move on, pick a euphemism and follow it.
7) Stop with USC/ND counting as USC's "annual ACC Game". You obviously miss the fact that ND has two games annually with PAC teams, USC and Stanford. It is likely that once in rotation each game may count as an ACC game, but highly doubtful that this would be "the" annual game. We went through the same logic when discussing ND's rotation for ACC teams (they will only play Miami, Clemson, and FSU). Do you really believe USC wouldn't want a cupcake on their schedule now and then?
8) If you need to bash som one in this thread bash Rutgers. They deserve it on so many levels.

I now return you to your previously scheduled arguments.

 

[Alsacs]

Suggestions:

1) For those that hate Notre Dame with a passion, please start a new thread, mods please facilitate this. You are ruining a good conversation.
2). ESPN does not hate the ACC. The ACCN makes them money, get over it. If ESPN is about make ng money (which they are) they will not prop up one property and tear down another, that does not make sense when both are money makers. You destroy your own arguments when you say ESPN wants the SECN to make all the money and will keep the ACCN down, and then argue follow the money.
3) While our faith in humanity has been restored with the obligatory UMass to the (ACC/B1G), that task has been met, let's keep it out of the conversation going forward.
4) Ditto for WVU, though humorous posts from their fanbase may be allowed if on point.
5) Stop with BU/TTU/TCU to the ACC or PAC. None of them add significant value. TTU is a state school in the middle of nowhere. Baylor and TCU are in the DFW DMA, but that is all. They weren't wanted in the B12, Baylor got in because the then Governor was a Baylor grad. TCU got in after the B12 was raided. UH has the best shot as an expansion team for either the ACC or PAC and it is less than 1%.
6) See #1, stop with the ND hate. Hate them for being ND ( I do), but if you have no real evidence of a breach of contract, just stop discussing such in this thread. To date, ND has been a good member of the ACC whether anyone likes it or not. Get over it, move on, pick a euphemism and follow it.
7) Stop with USC/ND counting as USC's "annual ACC Game". You obviously miss the fact that ND has two games annually with PAC teams, USC and Stanford. It is likely that once in rotation each game may count as an ACC game, but highly doubtful that this would be "the" annual game. We went through the same logic when discussing ND's rotation for ACC teams (they will only play Miami, Clemson, and FSU). Do you really believe USC wouldn't want a cupcake on their schedule now and then?
8) If you need to bash som one in this thread bash Rutgers. They deserve it on so many levels.

I now return you to your previously scheduled arguments.

USC is playing ND every season.
It’s their biggest rivalry game.
They aren’t going to give it up.
Which is why if the ACC commissioner lets ND be counted as a ACC opponent for them it’s a joke.

 

[longtimefan]

Since the Alliance is for football and basketball could the #41 relate to basketball only seeing that ND is not a football conference member?

The public discussion was football-centric, as it should be. The implication being that the 41 included football.

But you may be right.

 

[HtownOrange]

USC is playing ND every season.
It’s their biggest rivalry game.
They aren’t going to give it up.
Which is why if the ACC commissioner lets ND be counted as a ACC opponent for them it’s a joke.

I got your argument the many times you made it. My point stands, the same argument was made when NS joined the ACC and yet the details got worked out anyway. If you don't think that the ACC, PAC and ND can resolve the matter, you have a right to think such but lack substantive argument, especially when we have past evidence to the contrary.

 

[gbo]

The more I read and think about this, the less impressed I am. Feels like it's going to be a huge letdown...

 

[CousCuse]

You hope. ESPN isn't going to just give money away; they have all of the leverage currently.

They currently have control of the content. Put it up for open negotiations and see what fox or another network offers.

 

[CousCuse]

Suggestions:

1) For those that hate Notre Dame with a passion, please start a new thread, mods please facilitate this. You are ruining a good conversation.
2). ESPN does not hate the ACC. The ACCN makes them money, get over it. If ESPN is about make ng money (which they are) they will not prop up one property and tear down another, that does not make sense when both are money makers. You destroy your own arguments when you say ESPN wants the SECN to make all the money and will keep the ACCN down, and then argue follow the money.
3) While our faith in humanity has been restored with the obligatory UMass to the (ACC/B1G), that task has been met, let's keep it out of the conversation going forward.
4) Ditto for WVU, though humorous posts from their fanbase may be allowed if on point.
5) Stop with BU/TTU/TCU to the ACC or PAC. None of them add significant value. TTU is a state school in the middle of nowhere. Baylor and TCU are in the DFW DMA, but that is all. They weren't wanted in the B12, Baylor got in because the then Governor was a Baylor grad. TCU got in after the B12 was raided. UH has the best shot as an expansion team for either the ACC or PAC and it is less than 1%.
6) See #1, stop with the ND hate. Hate them for being ND ( I do), but if you have no real evidence of a breach of contract, just stop discussing such in this thread. To date, ND has been a good member of the ACC whether anyone likes it or not. Get over it, move on, pick a euphemism and follow it.
7) Stop with USC/ND counting as USC's "annual ACC Game". You obviously miss the fact that ND has two games annually with PAC teams, USC and Stanford. It is likely that once in rotation each game may count as an ACC game, but highly doubtful that this would be "the" annual game. We went through the same logic when discussing ND's rotation for ACC teams (they will only play Miami, Clemson, and FSU). Do you really believe USC wouldn't want a cupcake on their schedule now and then?
8) If you need to bash som one in this thread bash Rutgers. They deserve it on so many levels.

I now return you to your previously scheduled arguments.

Control freak much.

 

[CousCuse]

The more I read and think about this, the less impressed I am. Feels like it's going to be a huge letdown...

Yes. They are finessing the ACC along, all the while enjoying the goods. Put Jay Bilas in charge and he will lay down the law, no big ring, no huggy and kissy.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

They currently have control of the content. Put it up for open negotiations and see what fox or another network offers.

You seem to be in denial about how a contract works.

And how math works.

And how conferences work.

And how feelings work.

 

[CousCuse]

You seem to be in denial about how a contract works.

And how math works.

And how conferences work.

And how feelings work.

The contract says if the ACC expands, the compensation has to be reappraised. That is the only way to get members more money closer to what the B1G and the SEC has.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

The contract says if the ACC expands, the compensation has to be reappraised. That is the only way to get members more money closer to what the B1G and the SEC has.

 

[Alsacs]

I got your argument the many times you made it. My point stands, the same argument was made when NS joined the ACC and yet the details got worked out anyway. If you don't think that the ACC, PAC and ND can resolve the matter, you have a right to think such but lack substantive argument, especially when we have past evidence to the contrary.

How will they resolve the matter?
It’s non-negotiable for ND and USC.
They are playing each other every year.

Unless USC would play 8 PAC-12 games, ND, and then 1 other ACC and 1 B1G I don’t get your point.
You are kicking the can down the road and want to see it to believe it.
USC is playing ND every year.
Stanford and ND maybe become less frequent unless ND forces the issue.
I can see Stanford agreeing to an ACC rotation USC won’t give up the ND game.

 

[CousCuse]

The current contract is significantly undervalued , that is the prevailing wisdom. What part of that don't you get. Over.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

The current contract is significantly undervalued , that is the prevailing wisdom. What part of that don't you get. Over.

Everybody here gets that. What YOU don't get is that you can't sprinkle fairy dust and make it magically better... and that is basically what you are suggesting.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Cousecuse going full Carmelo vs Texas.

Putting a clown suit on every defender thrown at him. A joy to behold, from the outside at least.

 

[CousCuse]

Everybody here gets that. What YOU don't get is that you can't sprinkle fairy dust and make it magically better... and that is basically what you are suggesting.

The league has to do whatever they have to do to make the football schools happy or they will seek their own interests elsewhere.

 

[CousCuse]

Cousecuse going full Carmelo vs Texas.

Putting a clown suit on every defender thrown at him. A joy to behold, from the outside at least.

I really hate to think Syracuse is going to play the role that UCONN did in the OBE.

 

[HtownOrange]

Control freak much.

Please re-read the first word of the post.

 

[ForCuseSake]

3) While our faith in humanity has been restored with the obligatory UMass to the (ACC/B1G), that task has been met, let's keep it out of the conversation going forward.

Blasphemy.

Who are you and what happened to my friend!?!!

 

[HtownOrange]

How will they resolve the matter?
It’s non-negotiable for ND and USC.
They are playing each other every year.

Unless USC would play 8 PAC-12 games, ND, and then 1 other ACC and 1 B1G I don’t get your point.
You are kicking the can down the road and want to see it to believe it.
USC is playing ND every year.
Stanford and ND maybe become less frequent unless ND forces the issue.
I can see Stanford agreeing to an ACC rotation USC won’t give up the ND game.

Two points: you have no more knowledge than anyone else on this board, we all have the same info. You assume the PAC will not adjust, there will not be an expansion of the number of he's played, that USC/ND will not make sacrifices for the good, and that USC would not play 9-1-1-1 (9 PAC, 1 ACC, 1 B1G and 1 ND).

There may be other resolutions, such as your own suggestion of 8 conference games. However, you present that no options are available and that issues cannot be worked out. Negotiations include give and take.

Anyway, if you cannot grasp this, then there is little use discussing it in this thread and it should be a new thread of how ND is derailing the CFB world.

 

[HtownOrange]

Blasphemy.

Who are you and what happened to my friend!?!!

I suppose we could negotiate a 1-UMass mention per/5 page limit.

 

[ForCuseSake]

I suppose we could negotiate a 1-UMass mention per/5 page limit.

This is how peace is achieved.