ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[HouClone]

At this point I have to think the B12 is trolling UConn. How can their move be imminent ever year only to be turned down every time?

UConn approached them this time with a different offer. No football until 2031 and only football would be accepted by the Big 12 if UConn hits some benchmarks. Pretty good deal I think for the Big 12. Travel, no rivalries, would suck for UConn though. Their hope is that they would get a travel / history partner somewhere down the road.

 

[Toga]

Another precinct heard from.

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[kcsu]

Another precinct heard from.

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finally, somebody who gets it

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[Qbobby]

 

[orange79]

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Everyone knows that Yormark has at least a half chub for UConn... but everyone also knows that there is no scenario in which it makes financial sense. Looks like the university presidents gave him a dose of reality.

 

[ECE '76]

Lots of now-ACC team involvement in this story...




John Elway (Stanford)
Al Davis (Syracuse)
Eric Dickerson (SMU)
Jim Kelly (Miami)
Dan Marino (Pitt)

You may remember, Elway played for the Oneonta Yankees in 1982...

 

[W'boro'Cuse315]

You may remember, Elway played for the Oneonta Yankees in 1982...

Growing up in a suburb of Utica & playing baseball, I have often heard the tale of a play Elway made playing right field in a game vs Utica at Murnane Field. Legend has it that a Blue Sox batter hit a gapper with a runner on first that ended up settling at the base of the right center fence & that Elway picked it up, took a mini crow hop & fired an absolute missile on a rope that hit the catchers glove in the air at home to nail the lead runner at home & end the inning. There’s no video or reference that I’ve found online but I’ve had 10-12 older people, from coaches to teachers to people involved with Utica area baseball & sports history, who claim to have been in attendance & they nearly unanimously say it’s the most impressive sports/physical/overall feat they’ve seen in person. One, who was like 10-11 years old in attendance, claims that they didn’t see it because they were “flirting with girls” in the bleachers but could tell by the crowd’s roaring reaction & ensuing recollections that something truly special had occurred. I always wondered if there was any sort of proof or record of this.

Anyway, I hit the ol’ Ken Spliffy Jr. a little hard tonight so my apologies for the novel that I won’t bother proofreading.

 

[orangefog]

Growing up in a suburb of Utica & playing baseball, I have often heard the tale of a play Elway made playing right field in a game vs Utica at Murnane Field. Legend has it that a Blue Sox batter hit a gapper with a runner on first that ended up settling at the base of the right center fence & that Elway picked it up, took a mini crow hop & fired an absolute missile on a rope that hit the catchers glove in the air at home to nail the lead runner at home & end the inning. There’s no video or reference that I’ve found online but I’ve had 10-12 older people, from coaches to teachers to people involved with Utica area baseball & sports history, who claim to have been in attendance & they nearly unanimously say it’s the most impressive sports/physical/overall feat they’ve seen in person. One, who was like 10-11 years old in attendance, claims that they didn’t see it because they were “flirting with girls” in the bleachers but could tell by the crowd’s roaring reaction & ensuing recollections that something truly special had occurred. I always wondered if there was any sort of proof or record of this.

Anyway, I hit the ol’ Ken Spliffy Jr. a little hard tonight so my apologies for the novel that I won’t bother proofreading.

Were they hot? Btw, I am also a Utica suburbanite, and I have seen a few games at now Donovan Stadium. I believe my first game there was when they were the Utica Blue Jays.

 

[W'boro'Cuse315]

Were they hot? Btw, I am also a Utica suburbanite, and I have seen a few games at now Donovan Stadium. I believe my first game there was when they were the Utica Blue Jays.

Ha. I’d have to ask but, let’s face it, if you’re using it as your reason for missing Elway, could the answer be anything but “of course”?

That’s right, it’s Donovan now. I’ve played a few HS/Legion games there & ran by it during a few Boilermakers. My earliest memories are Utica Blue Sox as one of the Marlins’ lowest Minor A affiliates. NY-Penn League I believe. The Elway play is up there with Larry Walker & Miguel Cabrera on the franchise Mount Rushmore.

 

[OrangeTarheel]

Ha. I’d have to ask but, let’s face it, if you’re using it as your reason for missing Elway, could the answer be anything but “of course”?

That’s right, it’s Donovan now. I’ve played a few HS/Legion games there & ran by it during a few Boilermakers. My earliest memories are Utica Blue Sox as one of the Marlins’ lowest Minor A affiliates. NY-Penn League I believe. The Elway play is up there with Larry Walker & Miguel Cabrera on the franchise Mount Rushmore.

Don’t forget Tony Fernandez (I think) and of course the visit from Morganna the kissing bandit was legendary

 

[Cusefan0307]

Growing up in a suburb of Utica & playing baseball, I have often heard the tale of a play Elway made playing right field in a game vs Utica at Murnane Field. Legend has it that a Blue Sox batter hit a gapper with a runner on first that ended up settling at the base of the right center fence & that Elway picked it up, took a mini crow hop & fired an absolute missile on a rope that hit the catchers glove in the air at home to nail the lead runner at home & end the inning. There’s no video or reference that I’ve found online but I’ve had 10-12 older people, from coaches to teachers to people involved with Utica area baseball & sports history, who claim to have been in attendance & they nearly unanimously say it’s the most impressive sports/physical/overall feat they’ve seen in person. One, who was like 10-11 years old in attendance, claims that they didn’t see it because they were “flirting with girls” in the bleachers but could tell by the crowd’s roaring reaction & ensuing recollections that something truly special had occurred. I always wondered if there was any sort of proof or record of this.

Anyway, I hit the ol’ Ken Spliffy Jr. a little hard tonight so my apologies for the novel that I won’t bother proofreading.

Haha. I grew up in the MV too and heard the same probably from the same 10-12 people. It
must be true!

 

[Stern]

 

[sutomcat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State &amp; San Diego State leaving Mountain West to join Pac-12 in 2026, sources told <a href="x.com">@ActionNetworkHQ</a>. Official announcement is expected Thursday morning, sources said. The MWC schools will join Oregon State &amp; Washington State, but Pac-12 still…</p>&mdash; Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="">September 12, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That seems to stop any further western expansion of the ACC. Though I am not sure if the new Pac6 will have a GOR.

It is does, the only viable play I could see would be to add Utah and UNLV. I doubt it adds more money for the existing ACC members so it surely will not happen.

UNLV really gets boned here. I bet they are really unhappy.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[orangenauburn]

That seems to stop any further western expansion of the ACC. Though I am not sure if the new Pac6 will have a GOR.

It is does, the only viable play I could see would be to add Utah and UNLV. I doubt it adds more money for the existing ACC members so it surely will not happen.

UNLV really gets boned here. I bet they are really unhappy.

Do they leave Hawaii ... On an island?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Remaining MWC teams:
Air Force
Hawaii
Nevada
New Mexico
San Jose State
UNLV
Utah State
Wyoming

Current CUSA:
Delaware
FIU
Jacksonville State
Kennesaw State
Liberty
Louisiana Tech
Middle Tennessee
Missouri St
New Mexico State
San Houston State
UTEP
Western Kentucky

If the PAC takes two more from the MWC, the MWC can easily grab a couple of Texas schools from CUSA.

 

[Scooch]

I have to admit, I don't understand the economics of a future Pac-12 and why schools are leaving the Mountain West for it.

Obviously, OSU and WSU are benefitting from the money the departed left behind. Aside from that...?

A new Pac-12 is not going to be considered a power conference, nor will it get any special access to the CFP.

I can't quite figure out what the end game is here for everyone involved.

 

[orangenauburn]

Remaining MWC teams:
ir Force
Hawaii
Nevada
New Mexico
San Jose State
UNLV
Utah State
Wyoming

Current CUSA:
Delaware
FIU
Jacksonville State
Kennesaw State
Liberty
Louisiana Tech
Middle Tennessee
Missouri St
New Mexico State
San Houston State
UTEP
Western Kentucky

If the PAC takes two more from the MWC, the MWC can easily grab a couple of Texas schools from CUSA.

P12 should just rip the band aid and grab Wyoming, Utah State, UNLV, Nevada, Air Force and try flipping Utah

MWC takes all of CUSA minus Delaware

Delaware, UConn, and UMass form the basis for a mighty football conference in the northeast

 

[MSOrange]

I have to admit, I don't understand the economics of a future Pac-12 and why schools are leaving the Mountain West for it.

Obviously, OSU and WSU are benefitting from the money the departed left behind. Aside from that...?

A new Pac-12 is not going to be considered a power conference, nor will it get any special access to the CFP.

I can't quite figure out what the end game is here for everyone involved.

Glad someone smarter than me said this, because that was my first thought also when I read this. They know it's not the old Pac 12 they are joining, right?

 

[Scooch]

P12 should just rip the band aid and grab Wyoming, Utah State, UNLV, Nevada, Air Force and try flipping Utah

MWC takes all of CUSA minus Delaware

Delaware, UConn, and UMass form the basis for a mighty football conference in the northeast

I imagine Utah would rather fold their university than leave the B12 for that amalgam of mediocrity.

I don't think it's a coincidence that only 4 schools are leaving the MW for the P12. A D1 conference needs to have 8 schools per NCAA rules. The MW would have 8 remaining. If OSU and WSU wanted to merely replicate the MW with a different name there are easier ways of doing that than adding a few schools at a time. I imagine they'll look elsewhere to add a final 2.

 

[SmilinBob]

I still don't understand how the Rose Bowl will be played and who.

 

[Scooch]

Glad someone smarter than me said this, because that was my first thought also when I read this. They know it's not the old Pac 12 they are joining, right?

Right? Not that I'm in any way an expert on western conference dynamics, but there seems to always be a level of disgruntlement amongst the non-power schools out there with conference alignment.

I grew up in the heyday of the 80s WAC. I remember when that conference grew to 16 teams in the 90s when they absorbed the SWC leftovers. That's what caused the creation of the MW, since the old line WAC schools hated that expansion (and presumably being associated with those schools).

I get the sense that there's perpetually a half dozen schools out there who feel like they should be in a power conference and not in Group of 5 purgatory. Maybe this is their shot to feel important or something?