ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[Alsacs]

Alsacs ill admit that part of your argument is accurate but so is mine but the way you speak matter of fact about the issues is not 100% true and thats the main reason i have to say the other side of the argument

I can with live with that. My rage at the parasite that is Notre Dame is why I can’t handle some chit.
They aren’t helping and in the long term are doing more damage.
I know what I’m talking about. I just don’t put the Syracuse spin on it.
9 games isn’t happening unless Notre Dame was dropped.
Then Florida State/Clemson would get their 7 home games every year.

 

[gbo]

Now that we are discussing it in detail, I think you are right.

I think there was an article in the PS around then where Dr Gross said he was initially leaning towards voting for the best interests of Syracuse (9 game schedule) but decided to please the big name football schools instead.

It would have been interesting to see what would have happened had Syracuse voted for a 9 game schedule, and the vote was a 7-7 tie.

Gotta believe somehow Clemson and FSU would have gotten their way. Like they did getting UL into the ACC on the last boat out of the AAC instead of UConn.

This is precisely why our schools are allies...

 

[Alsacs]

No expansion from the Pac-12.

 

[texascpa]

No expansion from the Pac-12.

Sucks even harder to be Big12 right now. You know some of those schools were banking on getting into the PAC12. Looks like Houston, Cinci, UCF are the next play for Big12.

 

[Alsacs]

Sucks even harder to be Big12 right now. You know some of those schools were banking on getting into the PAC12. Looks like Houston, Cinci, UCF are the next play for Big12.

If I were the big 12 I go after Boise State and BYU and call it a day.

They aren’t going to get American teams without surviving first.
Add those then target Cincinnati and UCF A year later.

 

[KaiserUEO]

I can with live with that. My rage at the parasite that is Notre Dame is why I can’t handle some chit.
They aren’t helping and in the long term are doing more damage.
I know what I’m talking about. I just don’t put the Syracuse spin on it.
9 games isn’t happening unless Notre Dame was dropped.
Then Florida State/Clemson would get their 7 home games every year.

i dont have the time to think this through as im trying to put a depth chart together for 50 kids (who said youth football is dead?? not in this small-ass town) and work...so if the ACC can convince ND that it will only play Fla St & Clemson 1x every 3 years and it will always be away, we can have 9 games and nd can keep its precious, long not needed and could be a detriment...independence?

i still dont see why @nd cant fall when the rivalry game is at home and they have 5 ACC home games & a pansy of their choosing. if its bumped a year or so, who cares??

 

[Alsacs]

i dont have the time to think this through as im trying to put a depth chart together for 50 kids (who said youth football is dead?? not in this small-ass town) and work...so if the ACC can convince ND that it will only play Fla St & Clemson 1x every 3 years and it will always be away, we can have 9 games and nd can keep its precious, long not needed and could be a detriment...independence?

i still dont see why @nd cant fall when the rivalry game is at home and they have 5 ACC home games & a pansy of their choosing. if its bumped a year or so, who cares??

If the ACC went to nine games the SEC rivalry game would be scheduled for when the ACC teams had four home games so in essence they have 10 games scheduled every year five home five away.
They can’t schedule two home games for the other two spots if they have to rotate a game at Notre Dame.
If the ACC told Florida State and Clemson you don’t have to play Road games at Notre Dame I think they should accommodate that. I bet they would be okay with 9 conference games and as an added benefit Screw Notre Dame.

Want those teams at home become full-time member. ACC should take care of its flag ship football teams just like the SEC does, just like the B1G does.

 

[tep624]

No expansion from the Pac-12.

Interesting. I would think that would kill any conference movement for the Big 12 leftovers. Debunks the Wannstedt rumor.

 

[qdawgg]

Interesting. I would think that would kill any conference movement for the Big 12 leftovers. Debunks the Wannstedt rumor.

Seems like it. My original thought days ago was whether the alliance discussed each conference picking up desirable big 12 teams. Although a team going to the b10 or pac 12 is a big difference for the team being added and the conference. B10 didn’t seem like it would benefit from that.

But after hearing about the alliance being just a few people accepting each other’s friend requests I figured the alliance wasn’t going to actively add the b12 members to create a nationwide conference that covered most of the country.

 

[tep624]

Seems like it. My original thought days ago was whether the alliance discussed each conference picking up desirable big 12 teams. Although a team going to the b10 or pac 12 is a big difference for the team being added and the conference. B10 didn’t seem like it would benefit from that.

But after hearing about the alliance being just a few people accepting each other’s friend requests I figured the alliance wasn’t going to actively add the b12 members to create a nationwide conference that covered most of the country.

Yeah it seemed like a defensive play moreso than anything, so we'll probably see P4, whatever the hell the Big 12 is now, and the G5 or whatever.

 

[Toga]

Interesting. I would think that would kill any conference movement for the Big 12 leftovers. Debunks the Wannstedt rumor.

Puts a crimp in ESPN's hope for the B12 to implode so as to get out of the contract - in favor of the AAC.

 

[KaiserUEO]

If the ACC went to nine games the SEC rivalry game would be scheduled for when the ACC teams had four home games so in essence they have 10 games scheduled every year five home five away.
They can’t schedule two home games for the other two spots if they have to rotate a game at Notre Dame.
If the ACC told Florida State and Clemson you don’t have to play Road games at Notre Dame I think they should accommodate that. I bet they would be okay with 9 conference games and as an added benefit Screw Notre Dame.

Want those teams at home become full-time member. ACC should take care of its flag ship football teams just like the SEC does, just like the B1G does.

so its doable.

all parties win.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Seems like it. My original thought days ago was whether the alliance discussed each conference picking up desirable big 12 teams. Although a team going to the b10 or pac 12 is a big difference for the team being added and the conference. B10 didn’t seem like it would benefit from that.

But after hearing about the alliance being just a few people accepting each other’s friend requests I figured the alliance wasn’t going to actively add the b12 members to create a nationwide conference that covered most of the country.

i wouldve thought the PAC (through the B1G's urging) wouldve wanted a texas presence. I guess the riff raff left and the even worse non-texas schools, just didnt make sense.

kansas has just been uconned, unless they get a bone from someone.

 

[Alsacs]

so its doable.

all parties win.

If this option were presented I bet 9 games could happen.
The lesser football schools would have to pickup the tab and do the wrestling jobs at ND but honestly we/they should as Clemson/FSU have carried the ACC banner since the CFB.

 

[Geode]

All I know is the SEC - Big 12 Challenge has taken on a whole new meaning.

 

[Chris02M]

You are correct on the money portion but it falls in with ND. Clemson likes the flexibility of USC, P5, G5, and in-state 1-AA school. With ND added as an away, the nine game schedule would cause less than 7 home games. The athletic department was 100% against that.

wouldnt adding a 13th game to the schedule make that not a big deal in week 0 as a bunch more teams are playing this week than normal?

 

[Hoo's That]

Again fine every year ND plays at Clemson and Florida State and every year their home games are rotated among Duke, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Boston College.

ACC “honors” the agreement and gives their TV partner what they want.

Please, I told you why that dog won't hunt once before. Give it up. It does noting to enhance your reputation.

ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

Pac still might expand - will announce by end of week. The Pac desperately needs to have teams in Central Time. The Alliance needs at least 1 school in TX. The Pac will never take religiously affiliated schools - that leaves Texas Tech. Ok St would make the natural partner, and OK St has at...

syracusefan.com

 

[tep624]

i wouldve thought the PAC (through the B1G's urging) wouldve wanted a texas presence. I guess the riff raff left and the even worse non-texas schools, just didnt make sense.

kansas has just been uconned, unless they get a bone from someone.

Wondering if the B1G would consider taking Kansas just on their own...Other than the FB program currently being a complete dreg they check a lot of boxes. And they've shown that if they can get the right coach in there they can a consistent bowl level program. In 2007 they did win 12 games including an Orange Bowl, and they went to 4 bowls in 6 years from 2003-2008.

 

[Hoo's That]

Suggestions:

1) For those that hate Notre Dame with a passion, please start a new thread, mods please facilitate this. You are ruining a good conversation.
2). ESPN does not hate the ACC. The ACCN makes them money, get over it. If ESPN is about make ng money (which they are) they will not prop up one property and tear down another, that does not make sense when both are money makers. You destroy your own arguments when you say ESPN wants the SECN to make all the money and will keep the ACCN down, and then argue follow the money.
3) While our faith in humanity has been restored with the obligatory UMass to the (ACC/B1G), that task has been met, let's keep it out of the conversation going forward.
4) Ditto for WVU, though humorous posts from their fanbase may be allowed if on point.
5) Stop with BU/TTU/TCU to the ACC or PAC. None of them add significant value. TTU is a state school in the middle of nowhere. Baylor and TCU are in the DFW DMA, but that is all. They weren't wanted in the B12, Baylor got in because the then Governor was a Baylor grad. TCU got in after the B12 was raided. UH has the best shot as an expansion team for either the ACC or PAC and it is less than 1%.
6) See #1, stop with the ND hate. Hate them for being ND ( I do), but if you have no real evidence of a breach of contract, just stop discussing such in this thread. To date, ND has been a good member of the ACC whether anyone likes it or not. Get over it, move on, pick a euphemism and follow it.
7) Stop with USC/ND counting as USC's "annual ACC Game". You obviously miss the fact that ND has two games annually with PAC teams, USC and Stanford. It is likely that once in rotation each game may count as an ACC game, but highly doubtful that this would be "the" annual game. We went through the same logic when discussing ND's rotation for ACC teams (they will only play Miami, Clemson, and FSU). Do you really believe USC wouldn't want a cupcake on their schedule now and then?
8) If you need to bash som one in this thread bash Rutgers. They deserve it on so many levels.

I now return you to your previously scheduled arguments.

TCU was supposed to be a founding member of the Big XII. Gov Anne Richards and a big wheel in the legislature, both Baylor grads, forced the Big XII to take Baylor instead. Taking TCU after the teams left was "righting a previous wrong."

 

[Hoo's That]

How will they resolve the matter?
It’s non-negotiable for ND and USC.
They are playing each other every year.

Unless USC would play 8 PAC-12 games, ND, and then 1 other ACC and 1 B1G I don’t get your point.
You are kicking the can down the road and want to see it to believe it.
USC is playing ND every year.
Stanford and ND maybe become less frequent unless ND forces the issue.
I can see Stanford agreeing to an ACC rotation USC won’t give up the ND game.

As I pointed out in another post, UVa played USC in 2008 and 2010 and USC played ND as usual both years. It's incumbent upon you as the originator of this idea, to specify why USC would designate ND as their ACC game and not play anyone else. Oh, and "Well, they could do it" is a reason as weak as water.

 

[Hoo's That]

SC is the only true National Name Brand in the Pac. If SC does not play any of us, then Clemson and FSU both need to refuse to play anybody in the Pac. And UNC and Dook need to refuse to play any of that Pac basketball manure.

Again, why would USC not want to play anyone in the ACC by counting ND as an ACC game? They came to Scott in a home-and-home. I can easily see them playing Los Tigres in Death Valley as part of a home-and-home.

 

[gbo]

wouldnt adding a 13th game to the schedule make that not a big deal in week 0 as a bunch more teams are playing this week than normal?

If we moved to 13 regular season games then it would work.

 

[Alsacs]

Again, why would USC not want to play anyone in the ACC by counting ND as an ACC game? They came to Scott in a home-and-home. I can easily see them playing Los Tigres in Death Valley as part of a home-and-home.

Could they yes?
I am just sick of Notre Dame plain and simple. I thinking about the endgame.
The next date to watch is when Notre Dame’s NBC contract is up in 2025.

The guy I am responding to wants to fight my points/post because he doesn’t like my tone or attitude.
I give could give a chit on stuff like that.
I lose it on Notre Dame because I see the status quo benefiting them and it’s not helping the endgame at all.
If games against Notre Dame football for the Big Ten and Pac-12 count as ACC games what is your opinion on that?

 

[Alsacs]

If we moved to 13 regular season games then it would work.

Yeah but it’s not going to happen.
How can they expand the season to 13 games and then expand the CFB.
These kids need to be employees then and compensated. Like it’s a pro league.
That many games isn’t safe.

 

[Briancuse]

SC is the only true National Name Brand in the Pac. If SC does not play any of us, then Clemson and FSU both need to refuse to play anybody in the Pac. And UNC and Dook need to refuse to play any of that Pac basketball manure.

Oregon has become a national name brand. And I just saw that Phoenix has become the 4th largest market in the USA. So adding 2 of the top 4 markets is a big coup.