ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[SU94]

 

[Killdozer]

American Airlines has a direct flight from Charlotte to Syracuse. Two hour flight however there is always construction at CLT airport.

 

[sutomcat]

American Airlines has a direct flight from Charlotte to Syracuse. Two hour flight however there is always construction at CLT airport.

One rule that should always hold for the city where a conference is headquartered:

There should be a direct flight to the city from every city in the conference. Not even close to the case for Greensboro.

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[SU68]

Atlanta seems to be SEC territory, so that might be a no-fly zone. College sports are enormous here, but about 75% is geared toward the SEC schools and states that surround the Capital of the South.

DC is quite centrally located, has a solid corporate presence (mostly in NoVa), and government proximity is important. Stong sporting culture, mosty professional. It's expensive, too. Great airport setup/options.

NYC is electric, but does the ACC simply blend in a city that literally has everything? Harder to make an impact there for obvious reasons. Expensive to the hilt. Step toward integrating newer ACC schools.

Charlotte seems to already have an ACC slant to it. Reasonably priced, centrally located. Modern and emerging town. ACC Network Studio. Bank of America Stadium. Basketball heritage. Really good weather, featuring four seasons (almost). Proximate to Clemson, GT and FSU (a bit less so), the three schools most often associated with having relocation pangs. Negative: Still tied to NC roots and Tobacco Road, although not as taut or deep as Greensboro.

Charlotte is likely the answer here, but a valid case could be made for NYC or DC. ATL a bit less so.

We can't go to NYC. UConn is the 6th Borough!

 

[DoctorBombay]

Sounds like the Carolina old guard really wants to keep the headquarters in North Carolina.

This kind of thinking is largely why the ACC is where it is now.

But I agree, Charlotte is the logical compromise candidate.

It is a big step up from Greensboro. At least there are some Fortune 500 companies there, an airport with jets and some buildings taller than 5 stories.

As a transplant CLT resident going on 10 years now, i can tell you Charlotte would be ideal.
Forget any idea that this is a Petticoat Junction/Green Acres/Hooterville type of situation, either. Charlotte is in the Top 3 for financial centers in the nation, behind NYC, & SF. It’s hq for Bank of America, & eastern HQ for Wells Fargo and numerous other financial institutions.
And the best part about Charlotte which i wasn’t aware of when i first came down here, was that this is a city of transplants. Everyone it seems, is from somewhere else in the country. The locals are here but you’d hardly even know it.
It’s a little of the Austin, Tx. scenario- a river of blue in an ocean of red. In political terms- progressives win in CLT, and get crushed in the rest of the state. Add an international airport and HQ for American Airlines, and this place has it all. Besides, I’d LOVE to have ACC headquarters here- it’d make my life much easier!

 

[Atlcuse44]

Atlanta seems to be SEC territory, so that might be a no-fly zone. College sports are enormous here, but about 75% is geared toward the SEC schools and states that surround the Capital of the South.

DC is quite centrally located, has a solid corporate presence (mostly in NoVa), and government proximity is important. Stong sporting culture, mosty professional. It's expensive, too. Great airport setup/options.

NYC is electric, but does the ACC simply blend in a city that literally has everything? Harder to make an impact there for obvious reasons. Expensive to the hilt. Step toward integrating newer ACC schools.

Charlotte seems to already have an ACC slant to it. Reasonably priced, centrally located. Modern and emerging town. ACC Network Studio. Bank of America Stadium. Basketball heritage. Really good weather, featuring four seasons (almost). Proximate to Clemson, GT and FSU (a bit less so), the three schools most often associated with having relocation pangs. Negative: Still tied to NC roots and Tobacco Road, although not as taut or deep as Greensboro.

Charlotte is likely the answer here, but a valid case could be made for NYC or DC. ATL a bit less so.

Agree completely. Atlanta has a huge transplant population. I am surrounded by Buckeye fans in my neighborhood, but the SEC dominates in the Atlanta area. NYC is just not a cultural fit for the ACC. Most New Yorkers don't give a darn about college sports. Charlotte makes the most sense.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Agree completely. Atlanta has a huge transplant population. I am surrounded by Buckeye fans in my neighborhood, but the SEC dominates in the Atlanta area. NYC is just not a cultural fit for the ACC. Most New Yorkers don't give a darn about college sports. Charlotte makes the most sense.

yes, the HQ should be in Charlotte.

that said, id have the VP's in charge of media etc stationed in NYC permanently, with an office for the Commissioner to use when in town.

 

[orangecuse]

As a transplant CLT resident going on 10 years now, i can tell you Charlotte would be ideal.
Forget any idea that this is a Petticoat Junction/Green Acres/Hooterville type of situation, either. Charlotte is in the Top 3 for financial centers in the nation, behind NYC, & SF. It’s hq for Bank of America, & eastern HQ for Wells Fargo and numerous other financial institutions.
And the best part about Charlotte which i wasn’t aware of when i first came down here, was that this is a city of transplants. Everyone it seems, is from somewhere else in the country. The locals are here but you’d hardly even know it.
It’s a little of the Austin, Tx. scenario- a river of blue in an ocean of red. In political terms- progressives win in CLT, and get crushed in the rest of the state. Add an international airport and HQ for American Airlines, and this place has it all. Besides, I’d LOVE to have ACC headquarters here- it’d make my life much easier!

Indeed! I've been here in the Charlotte area for over 27 years now...from Lake Norman to our current residence in Weddington. Charlotte is perfect! And, they have all of the top/high end steakhouses to indulge in.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Indeed! I've been here in the Charlotte area for over 27 years now...from Lake Norman to our current residence in Weddington. Charlotte is perfect! And, they have all of the top/high end steakhouses to indulge in.

And all the breweries you can ask for. I was never an ipa guy, till i moved to Charlotte. Lotta functional alcoholics living here! And on that note- it’s Friday, so…

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[Chip]

The ACC won’t go to 9.
It’s because of the stupid ND 5 game deal.
Clemson/Florida State need 7 home games a year.
They can’t play 9 ACC+ SEC rivalry games + at ND.
Which they would have to do every 5 years.
Clemson isn’t giving up all that revenue for the conference it carries.
Which is why the ACC didn’t go to 9 games in 2013.
Clemson/Florida State aren’t going to agree to it. Even if it means more TV revenue. They need 7 home games.

The SEC could go 10 conference games because their TV money will be double close to triple annually what the ACC will make.

I think their bigger problem is the SEC crossover game, not ND every 5 years. They want to play ND. Everyone wants to play ND, home or away.

If the ACC went 9 games, Clemson/FSU would schedule the in-state SEC game to be on the road the years they have 5 ACC home games.

Throw in a cupcake and it's 6 home games, 5 away games each year.

They won't be able to have every alliance game at home. That shuts down the 9 games more than ND every 5 years.

 

[Alsacs]

I think their bigger problem is the SEC crossover game, not ND every 5 years. They want to play ND. Everyone wants to play ND, home or away.

If the ACC went 9 games, Clemson/FSU would schedule the in-state SEC game to be on the road the years they have 5 ACC home games.

Throw in a cupcake and it's 6 home games, 5 away games each year.

They won't be able to have every alliance game at home. That shuts down the 9 games more than ND every 5 years.

Florida-Florida State, Clemson-South Carolina matter a lot for those teams.

They can’t play 9 conference game with those games and the Notre Dame game.
Since they would have to play at Notre Dame.

If those teams didn’t have to play at Notre Dame they would get 7 home games every season with their SEC gams.

I think the ACC should make the less successful football teams play those road games Clemson and Florida State would have to play at Notre Dame. That way the conference can expand to 9 conference games. If Notre Dame wants games at home with Clemson and Florida State become a full member. If not enjoy more home games with Syracuse, Duke, Wake Forest, Pitt, Boston College.

 

[Chris02M]

Florida-Florida State, Clemson-South Carolina matter a lot for those teams.

They can’t play 9 conference game with those games and the Notre Dame game.
Since they would have to play at Notre Dame.

If those teams didn’t have to play at Notre Dame they would get 7 home games every season with their SEC gams.

I think the ACC should make the less successful football teams play those road games Clemson and Florida State would have to play at Notre Dame. That way the conference can expand to 9 conference games. If Notre Dame wants games at home with Clemson and Florida State become a full member. If not enjoy more home games with Syracuse, Duke, Wake Forest, Pitt, Boston College.

that will never happen especially with bigten and pac 12 likely going back to 8 conference games. i would think the division less setup will get universal support this time and is probably a factor in us joining the alliance

 

[Alsacs]

that will never happen especially with bigten and pac 12 likely going back to 8 conference games. i would think the division less setup will get universal support this time and is probably a factor in us joining the alliance

All I did was outline the way for the ACC to get support for a 9 game conference football schedule.

The 3+5+5 should obviously be a resolution our supposed alliance members should get behind now.
The Big Ten was against it last time but also the SEC didn’t support it. The SEC could have thrown the ACC a bone.
The Big XII and ACC proposed the divisionless requirement for conference title games and it was voted down by the Big Ten, SEC and Pac-12.
It should be on the table now.

 

[Chip]

Florida-Florida State, Clemson-South Carolina matter a lot for those teams.

They can’t play 9 conference game with those games and the Notre Dame game.
Since they would have to play at Notre Dame.

If those teams didn’t have to play at Notre Dame they would get 7 home games every season with their SEC gams.

I think the ACC should make the less successful football teams play those road games Clemson and Florida State would have to play at Notre Dame. That way the conference can expand to 9 conference games. If Notre Dame wants games at home with Clemson and Florida State become a full member. If not enjoy more home games with Syracuse, Duke, Wake Forest, Pitt, Boston College.

I know they matter, I just think that was the bigger reason they didn't want to go to 9 conference games, they already have a 9th conference type game built into their schedule.

My point was that a scheduling alliance with the B1G/Pac-12 is what would force them out of 7 home games on a more consistent basis.

ND is sporadic and every ACC team loves playing them on the road (national TV and exposure) and at home (can upcharge for ticket, will get a full stadium).

The scheduling alliance will be the bigger barrier to a 9 game ACC schedule. If we had better teams, like the SEC or B1G and it made everyone more money based on the content, they would figure it out. But we don't, so it's not worth it.

 

[Alsacs]

I know they matter, I just think that was the bigger reason they didn't want to go to 9 conference games, they already have a 9th conference type game built into their schedule.

My point was that a scheduling alliance with the B1G/Pac-12 is what would force them out of 7 home games on a more consistent basis.

ND is sporadic and every ACC team loves playing them on the road (national TV and exposure) and at home (can upcharge for ticket, will get a full stadium).

The scheduling alliance will be the bigger barrier to a 9 game ACC schedule. If we had better teams, like the SEC or B1G and it made everyone more money based on the content, they would figure it out. But we don't, so it's not worth it.

Clemson and Florida State won’t play 2 games annually with B1G and P-12 unless they get 7 home games.
Remember the P-12 is 12 teams and the ACC is 14.

So they will be taken care of. They will likely play road games with that conference but scheduled when they have South Carolina and their B1G team at home.

 

[WoadBlue]

Florida-Florida State, Clemson-South Carolina matter a lot for those teams.

They can’t play 9 conference game with those games and the Notre Dame game.
Since they would have to play at Notre Dame.

If those teams didn’t have to play at Notre Dame they would get 7 home games every season with their SEC gams.

I think the ACC should make the less successful football teams play those road games Clemson and Florida State would have to play at Notre Dame. That way the conference can expand to 9 conference games. If Notre Dame wants games at home with Clemson and Florida State become a full member. If not enjoy more home games with Syracuse, Duke, Wake Forest, Pitt, Boston College.

I like that possibility.

ND football only does what ND football wants to to do 'right now' because it thinks it is best for ND football, and only ND football, 'right now.' ACC football should do the same in regard to ND football.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I know they matter, I just think that was the bigger reason they didn't want to go to 9 conference games, they already have a 9th conference type game built into their schedule.

My point was that a scheduling alliance with the B1G/Pac-12 is what would force them out of 7 home games on a more consistent basis.

ND is sporadic and every ACC team loves playing them on the road (national TV and exposure) and at home (can upcharge for ticket, will get a full stadium).

The scheduling alliance will be the bigger barrier to a 9 game ACC schedule. If we had better teams, like the SEC or B1G and it made everyone more money based on the content, they would figure it out. But we don't, so it's not worth it.

Would be nice if all three were able to go to 15 teams. Then we can play 9 conference games (4+5/5), 1 B1G game, 1 P12 game, and one G5 home game every year. But that would mean ND joining the ACC, Kansas joining the B1G, and the P12 adding 3 teams (most likely Okie State, Texas Tech, Houston). That expansion makes sense but making sense never happens.

For ND they still get USC and Navy every year. For FSU they still get Florida every year. SEC would likely go 10 conference (5+5/5) and 2 OOC G5 home games since the are locked out.

The conferences should also agree for Bowls. B1G non playoff #1 vs P12 non playoff #1 in Rose. B1G #2 vs ACC #1 in Orange. P12 #2 vs ACC #2 in Fiesta. Let SEC Bowls get scraps from the three.

Basketball you can play the 4 you play in football twice per year and everyone else once (18 games). Then you have your two ACC/B1G/P12 challenge games.

 

[SUskibum]

Would be nice if all three were able to go to 15 teams. Then we can play 9 conference games (4+5/5), 1 B1G game, 1 P12 game, and one G5 home game every year. But that would mean ND joining the ACC, Kansas joining the B1G, and the P12 adding 3 teams (most likely Okie State, Texas Tech, Houston). That expansion makes sense but making sense never happens.

This is the best scenario and it’s also the scenario I think maximizes TV revenue (balances inventory # with quality) and minimizes legislative interference (few current major universities will be affected $ negatively, with even G5 still getting a slice).

BTW, it could work even if ND wants to stay INDY but if all 3 conferences agree to this and then the SEC agrees to whatever playoff the alliance recommends (12 slots, with conf champs of Power 4 plus top G5 (or two) and the next best 6-7 at large FROM A MAJOR OR G5 CONFERENCE) then ND could be squeezed into the overall package. I actually think the alliance should do this as it would increase the revenue to the alliance conferences so it would be a win win lose.

 

[MSOrange]

If they had won that game against the Orange, I think they match up against Houston style and would won that game. Then they face Baylor and the winner of that game would have won the Championship. And I'm sure Baylor did not want to see WVU in the round of 8.

Huggins gets 2-year extension at West Virginia

West Virginia's Bob Huggins agreed to a two-year contract extension that includes the option for him to step aside or continue coaching after the 2023-24 season.

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[Toga]

So what's everyone's feelings about Notre Dame in this situation?

 

[WoadBlue]

So what's everyone's feelings about Notre Dame in this situation?

You can trust Notre Dame.

 

[longtimefan]

You can trust Notre Dame.

To do what?

 

[WoadBlue]

A view from a small town in the Mountain west.

The best quotes:

"Well, we all know how much gentlemen's agreements and non-contractual commitments are worth in the cut-throat world of college athletics."

"When Oklahoma — ranked No. 2 behind the Crimson Tide in The Associated Press preseason poll — and Texas come aboard, the balance of power will tip further in its favor.

That's great for the SEC.

It's not so good for college football."

And the only way that will change is if the Big Ten and Notre Dame can overcome their historic self-absorptions. If not, then what the SEC hath wrought will become essentially permanent.

And because football doesn't just drive the bus; football buys the bus and pays for all its upkeep and hires the driver and the clean up crew, 1 league with total domination of football will eventually start dominating basketball - because it will be able to buy out the best coaches over and over, and arrange for the best NIL deals for top recruits, over and over.

There is a professed SEC poster (he claims Auburn, which fits him in terms of trash) named JRsec that I have long felt to be one of those paid Big Ten internet activists. He is going hogwild over this. The boasting of SEC godlike status is expected, but he has is now talking about how the SEC will have ESPN make goo-eyes at the Pac, to woo the Pac away from Fox and its BT ties, which will allow ESPN to refuse to give the ACC anything.

It should be obvious to anyone who has thought about all this that that is the only way that the BT can stay as wealthy as the SEC and hope to equal it in football: have ESPN make certain the ACC is unstable, allowing the BT to take the most valuable ACC members.

If ESAPN is not dumb as a post, it is figuring out how to maximize extra money for the ACC with the look-in. If the SEC is not dumb as a post, it is behind the scenes talking to the ACC about more contests between the two leagues in all sports.

 

[WoadBlue]

To do what?

Now that is the issue, ain't it?

 

[DoctorBombay]

So what's everyone's feelings about Notre Dame in this situation?

ND is like that age old story about the scorpion and the turtle. Why some are still shocked by their wanton self-interest is truly beyond me. You know exactly what you’re getting with them. They’re in a position to do whatever they want because of their status, and they don’t really give a rats patoot about anything else.
If it helps to have them aligned w/ the conference or the alliance, great. Should you expect loyalty and fealty towards anyone else who’s involved? Hell no.