ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[oldpinepoint]

ND is like that age old story about the scorpion and the turtle. Why some are still shocked by their wanton self-interest is truly beyond me. You know exactly what you’re getting with them. They’re in a position to do whatever they want because of their status, and they don’t really give a rats patoot about anything else.
If it helps to have them aligned w/ the conference or the alliance, great. Should you expect loyalty and fealty towards anyone else who’s involved? Hell no.

Perfectly said

 

[sutomcat]

I was listening to XM radio on the college sports station driving home last night. They (I think it was Mark Packer) had a journalist who covers the B12 and asked him what the conference was going to do. Sorry I didn't get the name of the journalist. I think he was introduced just prior to me tuning in.

The journalist said his understanding was that the B12 had decided to add 4 teams.

Air Force
Army
Navy
and BYU

That would be a surprising set of moves. I am sure WVU would like it, with 2 new travel partners. but they have to be lobbying hard for Cincinnati to join the conference.

No UCF? No USF? I would think the B12 would be all over those schools, with the size of the markets and the HS football talent in those markets.

If this rumored move happens, the traditional Eastern football programs would be even more fractured and distributed among various conferences, and there would be even less games among the teams, which I think is awful for Eastern football.

 

[CousCuse]

I was listening to XM radio on the college sports station driving home last night. They (I think it was Mark Packer) had a journalist who covers the B12 and asked him what the conference was going to do. Sorry I didn't get the name of the journalist. I think he was introduced just prior to me tuning in.

The journalist said his understanding was that the B12 had decided to add 4 teams.

Air Force
Army
Navy
and BYU

That would be a surprising set of moves. I am sure WVU would like it, with 2 new travel partners. but they have to be lobbying hard for Cincinnati to join the conference.

No UCF? No USF? I would think the B12 would be all over those schools, with the size of the markets and the HS football talent in those markets.

If this rumored move happens, the traditional Eastern football programs would be even more fractured and distributed among various conferences, and there would be even less games among the teams, which I think is awful for Eastern football.

That is an interesting strategy to go for the Mormon and military media networks.

 

[sutomcat]

That is an interesting strategy to go for the Mormon and military media networks.

All 4 schools have national audiences.

I would guess ESPN might have told them their hair cut would be smallest if they added these schools.

 

[CousCuse]

All 4 schools have national audiences.

I would guess ESPN might have told them their hair cut would be smallest if they added these schools.

The Armed Forces network and the BYU network are both global in scope.

 

[Bayside44]

I was listening to XM radio on the college sports station driving home last night. They (I think it was Mark Packer) had a journalist who covers the B12 and asked him what the conference was going to do. Sorry I didn't get the name of the journalist. I think he was introduced just prior to me tuning in.

The journalist said his understanding was that the B12 had decided to add 4 teams.

Air Force
Army
Navy
and BYU

That would be a surprising set of moves. I am sure WVU would like it, with 2 new travel partners. but they have to be lobbying hard for Cincinnati to join the conference.

No UCF? No USF? I would think the B12 would be all over those schools, with the size of the markets and the HS football talent in those markets.

If this rumored move happens, the traditional Eastern football programs would be even more fractured and distributed among various conferences, and there would be even less games among the teams, which I think is awful for Eastern football.

Kansas is going to play basketball in the Hudson Valley? Color me really skeptical.

 

[Alsacs]

Army wants to win games.
They schedule really soft schedules to win games.
They aren’t going to join a power conference.
They have weight limits on how big their players can be.

Boise State, BYU are probably the first 2 adds for the Big XII then see if they can shake loose some American teams.

 

[Toga]

All 4 schools have national audiences.

I would guess ESPN might have told them their hair cut would be smallest if they added these schools.

Ironically, all four schools have students with very short haircuts.

 

[Hoo's That]

Army wants to win games.
They schedule really soft schedules to win games.
They aren’t going to join a power conference.
They have weight limits on how big their players can be.

Boise State, BYU are probably the first 2 adds for the Big XII then see if they can shake loose some American teams.

I've read that the weight standards at all the Academies is flexible until they leave the football team. You're not going to see 300 pounders, but they're still bigger than what the charts specify.

 

[texascpa]

Army wants to win games.
They schedule really soft schedules to win games.
They aren’t going to join a power conference.
They have weight limits on how big their players can be.

Boise State, BYU are probably the first 2 adds for the Big XII then see if they can shake loose some American teams.

That weight limit restriction went out years ago.

 

[KaiserUEO]

That weight limit restriction went out years ago.

Private Dewey Oxberger will never lose that weight now.

 

[sutomcat]

Kansas is going to play basketball in the Hudson Valley? Color me really skeptical.

He didn’t provide details but I would think Army and Navy would be for football only.

Maybe BYU as well.

 

[Scooch]

Didn't Army leave CUSA years ago because they felt playing a conference schedule was both too difficult and too limiting? Would be really incongruous for them to join the B12, IMHO.

 

[sutomcat]

Didn't Army leave CUSA years ago because they felt playing a conference schedule was both too difficult and too limiting? Would be really incongruous for them to join the B12, IMHO.

It doesn't make a lot of sense but if the B12 was able to retain close to what the teams are getting now, they would be making around 30$ million more a season than they were in CUSA.

Maybe that is a factor? Or maybe the journo was a wacko.

 

[KaiserUEO]

He didn’t provide details but I would think Army and Navy would be for football only.

Maybe BYU as well

if the big12 wants to make a run at being a P5, then they almost have to look at cincy & ucf. which brings me to my point...what happens in this b12 v the AAC Royal Rumble??

because the AAC most certainly will want to remain relevant too.

its almost like the schools are either walking both sides of the realignment line or they have to choose their horse and pray like hell.

adding the service academies doesnt save the day, but it could be nice insurance to remain somewhat viable to the tv partners.

 

[Alsacs]

if the big12 wants to make a run at being a P5, then they almost have to look at cincy & ucf. which brings me to my point...what happens in this b12 v the AAC Royal Rumble??

because the AAC most certainly will want to remain relevant too.

its almost like the schools are either walking both sides of the realignment line or they have to choose their horse and pray like hell.

adding the service academies doesnt save the day, but it could be nice insurance to remain somewhat viable to the tv partners.

AAC has ESPN protection.
Big XII couldn’t get ESPN or Fox to negotiate a new deal before Texas and Oklahoma left.
For UCF and Cincinnati to leave the American they need to know they will make more money.

Big XII can’t negotiate because ESPN cut their head off.
They need Fox or somebody else to be interested so they can get the expansion.
Which is why I said add BYU and Boise to start those schools will come and they can keep the 9 game round robin.
Get a network interested and then they can add American teams.

 

[WoadBlue]

 

[orange44]

Well done!

 

[HtownOrange]

Some good points but he misses the real power, as a block, the P5(4), which is autonomous, can be controlled by this block. Forty-one votes overrules anything the SEC, even with the B12 leftovers, can do. The net result is that academics may be re-introduced to STUDENT athletes.

He makes the point that the presidents and chancellors are academics, he misses the real point, sports may make up 1/10th of the overall entity (I am being very generous to most of the block university ADs) and is rarely truly profitable. The real money is made from the real mission of colleges and universities. Presidents and chancellors are going to side with academics long before they fret over a $10-$20MM increase in sports revenue.

The hidden benefit is that the block can force the SEC to enforce academics and the recruitment of fake students merely because they are athletically gifted. The SEC hasn't always been dominant, most young people forget. While the SEC should look out for their own interests, so should everyone else.

Once everyone calms down, the College sports world will realize they can bargain like the pros.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[KaiserUEO]

solid

 

[rrlbees]

None of the 4 would be considered for the eventual 4x16.

 

[KaiserUEO]

None of the 4 would be considered for the eventual 4x16.

i wouldnt short ucf and cincy.

 

[Scooch]

How much is UConn regretting their recent conference decisions? I actually thought dropping football to independent and joining the Big East wasn’t a bad move. But a risk was that it took them a bit out of position for future realignment.

I don’t think I their fanbase would want to leave the BE now that they’re “home”. But had they been moving from the AAC to this new Big 12, it’d probably have been seen as a massive upgrade.

 

[OrangeXtreme]