ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[SU94]

Do you really trust them?
They had ND ranked over Miami, ignoring their head-to-head game, until the final minute.

Exactly right. Don't trust them.

The problem with that is, like the traditional rankings, SU and Wake do not start the season in the same spot as Clemson, Miami or even FSU.

Example:
First playoff rankings will have 6-2 FSU ranked well ahead of 6-2 Syracuse. Like by 10-15 spots.

And that is the fatal flaw of CFB.

 

[Scooch]

Do you really trust them?
They had ND ranked over Miami, ignoring their head-to-head game, until the final minute.

Has nothing to do with trust. It’s all politics and the ACC needs to play that game. IMHO.

 

[Archbold44]

Has nothing to do with trust. It’s all politics and the ACC needs to play that game. IMHO.

Overall record needs to be in the mix. No ACC team with 3+ losses should be eligible over a 2 loss team. Last year, it should have been SMU v Miami. This year, it should have been Virginia v Miami. Until the ACC starts getting 3 10-2 teams…and when is the last time that happened… no need to worry about fairness to 9-3 teams, much less 8-4 and 7-5 teams.

 

[Hoo's That]

The league should still want to have the best possible auto-qualifier. The conference champ game tie breaker really needs to be best CFP ranking.

Do you really trust them?
They had ND ranked over Miami, ignoring their head-to-head game, until the final minute.

The argument that the ACC makes against using the poll is that they don't want outsiders to pick the representative and they want on-the-field results to matter.

 

[Archbold44]

The argument that the ACC makes against using the poll is that they don't want outsiders to pick the representative and they want on-the-field results to matter.

Then look to overall record somehow. Not saying that 10-2/6-2 is always better than 9-3/6-2... but 8-4 and 7-5 need to result in elimination from contention, regardless of conference record or who the losses are too.

 

[WoadBlue]

The argument that the ACC makes against using the poll is that they don't want outsiders to pick the representative and they want on-the-field results to matter.

Then the ACC MUST add in OOC records so that those bad losses keep out a team like Dook this year.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

If the ACC and B12 Champs have auto bids going forward none of this will matter.

But if I am the B1G and SEC I want to adopt a stipulation that for all auto bids the CCG tie breaker is ranking (after head to head). So it applies to all four conferences. That way you don't see a back door two bids from the ACC or B12.

In the case of the B1G and SEC it won't matter too much. The SEC CG this year would have been UGA vs Ole Miss instead. Not a big deal as Bama was in anyway. But for the ACC it is UVA vs Miami, meaning no chance at UVA and Miami both making it. And more importantly no Duke.

 

[Hoo's That]

Then look to overall record somehow. Not saying that 10-2/6-2 is always better than 9-3/6-2... but 8-4 and 7-5 need to result in elimination from contention, regardless of conference record or who the losses are too.

Then the ACC MUST add in OOC records so that those bad losses keep out a team like Dook this year.

I totally agree. I have zero problem with making overall record the tiebreaker when they get down as far as they did this time. What was it something like the #5 tiebreaker?

 

[qdawgg]

Little crazy talk here. But the SEC hasn’t felt the need to increase its size, wanting to keep the conference “strong”. I wonder if the thought process might change a little with this years, especially, lack of success in the bowls. Does SEC start thinking that maybe adding some more cupcake teams as the B10 has done, will help the better SEC teams not beat up on each other all season. As far as from their perspective. Having some built in cupcake teams to play like the B10 has Rutgers and MD. Maybe that means a school like SU, other than the regional differences which the SEC cares about more than the B10, could mean we have a place to go instead of just the B12.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Little crazy talk here. But the SEC hasn’t felt the need to increase its size, wanting to keep the conference “strong”. I wonder if the thought process might change a little with this years, especially, lack of success in the bowls. Does SEC start thinking that maybe adding some more cupcake teams as the B10 has done, will help the better SEC teams not beat up on each other all season. As far as from their perspective. Having some built in cupcake teams to play like the B10 has Rutgers and MD. Maybe that means a school like SU, other than the regional differences which the SEC cares about more than the B10, could mean we have a place to go instead of just the B12.

I don’t think any of the schools that are predicted to leave for those conferences look all that appealing right now.

 

[qdawgg]

I don’t think any of the schools that are predicted to leave for those conferences look all that appealing right now.

Me either but we seem to be on the bottom level of the schools left to pick from

 

[Archbold44]

I don’t think any of the schools that are predicted to leave for those conferences look all that appealing right now.

UNC/UVA to SEC. That would expand the footprint within the conference name, but not add powerhouses… but not add totally inept schools either.

 

[Hoo's That]

UNC/UVA to SEC. That would expand the footprint within the conference name, but not add powerhouses… but not add totally inept schools either.

TBH, a lot of SEC expansionists talk about "filling in the corner."

IF (note the big "IF") that happened, UVa and UNC would have to find homes for the field hockey, men's soccer (South Carolina and Kentucky play in the Sun Belt), wrestling, and both lacrosse teams (Florida's women play in the Big XII and Vanderbilt's play in the American).

Personally, I think the B1G and the SEC will cut teams out, going down to 10 apiece, rather than expanding. They'll do it by having some sort of onerous requirement that will have schools opt out.

 

[Newhouser]

TBH, a lot of SEC expansionists talk about "filling in the corner."

IF (note the big "IF") that happened, UVa and UNC would have to find homes for the field hockey, men's soccer (South Carolina and Kentucky play in the Sun Belt), wrestling, and both lacrosse teams (Florida's women play in the Big XII and Vanderbilt's play in the American).

Personally, I think the B1G and the SEC will cut teams out, going down to 10 apiece, rather than expanding. They'll do it by having some sort of onerous requirement that will have schools opt out.

Been saying the same thing myself. The Big and SEC are going to cut members and invite schools they want. They will figure out a way to make it look like the schools tapped out, but Rutgers, Northwestern, Vandy and a few others will be available for our landing spot.

 

[Archbold44]

TBH, a lot of SEC expansionists talk about "filling in the corner."

IF (note the big "IF") that happened, UVa and UNC would have to find homes for the field hockey, men's soccer (South Carolina and Kentucky play in the Sun Belt), wrestling, and both lacrosse teams (Florida's women play in the Big XII and Vanderbilt's play in the American).

Personally, I think the B1G and the SEC will cut teams out, going down to 10 apiece, rather than expanding. They'll do it by having some sort of onerous requirement that will have schools opt out.

$50M in extra TV revenue vs. non-revenue sports is undefeated.

 

[Hoo's That]

$50M in extra TV revenue vs. non-revenue sports is undefeated.

Most definitely.

 

[Toga]

TBH, a lot of SEC expansionists talk about "filling in the corner."

IF (note the big "IF") that happened, UVa and UNC would have to find homes for the field hockey, men's soccer (South Carolina and Kentucky play in the Sun Belt), wrestling, and both lacrosse teams (Florida's women play in the Big XII and Vanderbilt's play in the American).

Personally, I think the B1G and the SEC will cut teams out, going down to 10 apiece, rather than expanding. They'll do it by having some sort of onerous requirement that will have schools opt out.

 

[FloridaCuse]

Paul Finebaum warns 'nuclear winter’ could be ahead for SEC

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www.on3.com

 

[Toga]

Paul Finebaum warns 'nuclear winter’ could be ahead for SEC

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www.on3.com

 

[HtownOrange]

Paul Finebaum warns 'nuclear winter’ could be ahead for SEC

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www.on3.com

Imagine that, after decades of everyone else explaining the issue of one or two good post season SEC teams and the others falling apart, Finebaum reveals his great epiphany as if it just came to him.

 

[orange79]

Paul Finebaum warns 'nuclear winter’ could be ahead for SEC

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www.on3.com

 

[sufandu]

The best thing about an SEC decline would be not having to pay attention to Paul Fineclown. Send him back to regional sports talk radio where he belongs.

 

[Hoo's That]

Paul Finebaum warns 'nuclear winter’ could be ahead for SEC

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www.on3.com

You poor baby!

 

[Scooch]

It's been blatantly obvious for several years now. The supposed great "depth" of the SEC has been a mirage. They're the only conference that gets credit for its vast middle tier beating up on each other. Always to the tune of 7-8 SEC teams getting ranked perennially. No other conference gets to benefit from that nonsense narrative.

Sadly, it'll never end. Too many hot take artists and media pundits benefit from the SEC hype machine.

 

[Cusefan0307]

It's been blatantly obvious for several years now. The supposed great "depth" of the SEC has been a mirage. They're the only conference that gets credit for its vast middle tier beating up on each other. Always to the tune of 7-8 SEC teams getting ranked perennially. No other conference gets to benefit from that nonsense narrative.

Sadly, it'll never end. Too many hot take artists and media pundits benefit from the SEC hype machine.

Alabama and Oklahoma didn’t deserve to be in whatsoever.