AJ Long to Wagner

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[TexanMark]

Wait that is a Ram? I thought he was going to Port Chester who are Whooping Cranes.

Isn't Faber College the Rams?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Wait that is a Ram? I thought he was going to Port Chester who are Whooping Cranes.

Isn't Faber College the Rams?

 

[Scooch]

This thread is fascinating to read in retrospect. Mostly because it basically died after 50 posts, most coming from 3 people.

But it's the process that has everyone up in arms.

 

[orangepassion]

Guess we can add AJ to the list of players medically disqualified by Tucker and playing elsewhere

 

[dan7800]

Guess we can add AJ to the list of players medically disqualified by Tucker and playing elsewhere

The kid had 3 concussions, which I believe University policy said he was disqualified and not the team Dr.

With what we know about head injuries today, I have no problem DQ'ing this kid.

 

[PAcuse]

Guess we can add AJ to the list of players medically disqualified by Tucker and playing elsewhere

He fell out of bed and got a concussion so bad he wasn't able to play for weeks. This kid should not be playing football. On a side note AJ's team will be playing against the University that's basically in my backyard might have to stop over and watch.

 

[SWC75]

I have a feeling these decisions are about lawyers more than doctors.

 

[JLine]

1/3 of that would make us wish he was still here.

I don't doubt that he puts up 800+, and 8 TDs in 2018-2019. If I had to bet, then I'd have to take him putting up at least 835, and 8. The TDs would worry me more. Wish both of these guys well. JF is gonna do just fine. I hope AJ just stays healthy, and gets a degree.

 

[Pyle]

The kid had 3 concussions, which I believe University policy said he was disqualified and not the team Dr.

With what we know about head injuries today, I have no problem DQ'ing this kid.

My understanding is that there is no set concussion policy but you get looked at pretty hard after 3. Tucker DQ'd him.

 

[Pyle]

This thread is fascinating to read in retrospect. Mostly because it basically died after 50 posts, most coming from 3 people.

But it's the process that has everyone up in arms.

Had me up in arms back then and still does. Tucker's playing god, and has no right. Funny part is that he seemed to have a lot more board support than I did back then. Hope people enjoy their crow, I hear it's being served with pepper jelly today.

 

[SUFaninNJ]

So, did he not play at Wagner because of concussions, or because he couldn't beat out their top QB?

 

[Frozen]

So, did he not play at Wagner because of concussions, or because he couldn't beat out their top QB?

Golden Ram Football Club: Player News - A.J. Long On WCU Roster
http://goldenramfootballclub.blogspot.com/2017/07/player-news-aj-long-on-wcu-roster.html
In the middle of October of 2015, Syracuse medically disqualified Long from participating in any contact sports at Syracuse due to multiple concussions. Later that month, Syracuse granted Long his release. Six weeks later, a neurologist cleared him to play football and in early January 2016, the 6-1, 195lb signal caller enrolled at Wagner College on Staten Island. After the spring game, Long expected to vie for the starting quarterback job that upcoming fall, but a back injury during camp prevented him from seeing the field that entire season.

 

[dan7800]

If the young man had already received several concussions and got his last one from merely falling out of bed, then I am 100% DQ'ing him from playing.

 

[Scooch]

Had me up in arms back then and still does. Tucker's playing god, and has no right. Funny part is that he seemed to have a lot more board support than I did back then. Hope people enjoy their crow, I hear it's being served with pepper jelly today.

Or... the decision to DQ Long, and the process that led to it, worked appropriately in that case given his history.

The "playing God" comment is a strange one. Are you suggesting that medical DQs not exist?

 

[Pyle]

Or... the decision to DQ Long, and the process that led to it, worked appropriately in that case given his history.

The "playing God" comment is a strange one. Are you suggesting that medical DQs not exist?

Which is why he was cleared by neurologists and allowed to play at other schools? Sorry but if he was DQ'd and not allowed to play elsewhere you might have a point. You didn't make one successfully here. Playing god as in changing the course of people's lives without outside input, feeling superior to those more qualified, and ignoring the advice of everyone else just so you can stand firm with your feet in the ground like a 5 year old. I don't feel that comment was strange at all. What I find strange is the support for a Dr who continues to make life changing decisions without respecting the advice of those more qualified and the process which allows him to do so.

 

[bnoro]

Which is why he was cleared by neurologists and allowed to play at other schools? Sorry but if he was DQ'd and not allowed to play elsewhere you might have a point. You didn't make one successfully here. Playing god as in changing the course of people's lives without outside input, feeling superior to those more qualified, and ignoring the advice of everyone else just so you can stand firm with your feet in the ground like a 5 year old. I don't feel that comment was strange at all. What I find strange is the support for a Dr who continues to make life changing decisions without respecting the advice of those more qualified and the process which allows him to do so.

You are literally calling yourself superior to a doctor.


The kid fell out of bed and had headaches for weeks. He probably shouldn't be playing football.

 

[CuseOnly]

You are literally calling yourself superior to a doctor.


The kid fell out of bed and had headaches for weeks. He probably shouldn't be playing football.

I think the main reason that people have a problem the whole DQ situation is that experts in their field and area are clearing these kids and we have a non-expert disqualifying them.

That inherently is a problem in and of itself and I know that is the issue that I have. He should be getting multiple diagnoses from several experts and actually take their expert opinions into account.

1 - What appears to be happening in all cases is that he/they consult a "trusted expert" that is part of their network to give a diagnosis and recommendation that contradicts several other experts.

2 - It appears when other experts give their opinion, they are ignored regardless of their credentials and expertise.

It all smacks of collusion to fit the doctor's and SU's cover your ass policy when other schools have no issue with these kids playing.

EDIT - Not sure how you defend SU's stance, it makes them actually wholeheartedly look to the public like they are in full on CYA mode. I suppose that the defense is "We/they are doing what is in the best interest of the kids health". Which I disagree with, they are only interested in avoiding a lawsuit and have their own interests in mind.

 

[Ish88888]

The kid had 3 concussions, which I believe University policy said he was disqualified and not the team Dr.

With what we know about head injuries today, I have no problem DQ'ing this kid.

Do we even know if neurologists are consulted to diagnose a concussion? Or was he tuckered outta the program?

 

[tep624]

Guess we can add AJ to the list of players medically disqualified by Tucker and playing elsewhere

He's playing at a D2 school - I'm not sure if we should be angry at Tucker or thanking him for helping to make space on the roster.

 

[CuseOnly]

He's playing at a D2 school - I'm not sure if we should be angry at Tucker or thanking him for helping to make space on the roster.

Any way you look at it the process at SU is bad and looks amateurish at best.

 

[Scooch]

He's playing at a D2 school - I'm not sure if we should be angry at Tucker or thanking him for helping to make space on the roster.

Not to be crass, but the outrage about "the process" was certainly bigger when the player being DQ'd was expected to be a major contributor as opposed to a bench warmer.

Cue Kaiser's comments about cattle.

 

[Bayside44]

I think the main reason that people have a problem the whole DQ situation is that experts in their field and area are clearing these kids and we have a non-expert disqualifying them.

That inherently is a problem in and of itself and I know that is the issue that I have. He should be getting multiple diagnoses from several experts and actually take their expert opinions into account.

1 - What appears to be happening in all cases is that he/they consult a "trusted expert" that is part of their network to give a diagnosis and recommendation that contradicts several other experts.

2 - It appears when other experts give their opinion, they are ignored regardless of their credentials and expertise.

It all smacks of collusion to fit the doctor's and SU's cover your ass policy when other schools have no issue with these kids playing.

EDIT - Not sure how you defend SU's stance, it makes them actually wholeheartedly look to the public like they are in full on CYA mode. I suppose that the defense is "We/they are doing what is in the best interest of the kids health". Which I disagree with, they are only interested in avoiding a lawsuit and have their own interests in mind.

Well I wouldn't compare ourselves to Wagner or Western Michigan or compare our schedule to theirs. Granted the smoke around this is a lot - well for a message board, not the actual media - but in today's day and age if we have some kid drop in Manley with the fair amount of warning signs it would be probation x10 for us.

 

[CuseOnly]

Well I wouldn't compare ourselves to Wagner or Western Michigan or compare our schedule to theirs. Granted the smoke around this is a lot - well for a message board, not the actual media - but in today's day and age if we have some kid drop in Manley with the fair amount of warning signs it would be probation x10 for us.

So you are siding with the "We are doing this with the best interest of the kid in mind" folks, I get it.

I don't recall any university being put on probation x10 because of a healthe issue with a player that was hurt, injured or mis-diagnosed and had an issue as a result. Isn't that the reason that doctors are "sub-contracted" like Tucker and are not actual employees of the University? Isn't that to alleviate any liability so it is on the doctor and not the school??

 

[maxxyz]

So you are siding with the "We are doing this with the best interest of the kid in mind" folks, I get it.

I don't recall any university being put on probation x10 because of a healthe issue with a player that was hurt, injured or mis-diagnosed and had an issue as a result. Isn't that the reason that doctors are "sub-contracted" like Tucker and are not actual employees of the University? Isn't that to alleviate any liability so it is on the doctor and not the school??

This has been explained dozens of times, but here goes - SU is not DQing players for the safety of the players. Somewhere around a decade ago someone in SU's risk assessment team predicted that the liability from lawsuits over long term health issues from repeated head trauma would put the college in a precariously dangerous financial position. They instituted a concussion protocol to reduce the risk, and now they must follow it or they run the risk of being negligent. They have a similar protocol for heart issues, blood issues, diabetes, etc.

They don't need an expert to determine if the athlete is to be disqualified. Just a medical professional to determine if the player has reached a predetermined threshold for disqualification. It's kind of like getting your car inspected. It isn't a mechanical engineer that is determining if your car is fit to drive. Just a guy with a clipboard checking the boxes.

This is purely to protect the university. You can find a specialist to tell you anything you want to hear, and being consistent is paramount. They are following a program to lower the overall liability from lawsuits. That is all.