Alex Kline

[jncuse]

I'd say in college basketball, the Head Coach still has a lot of "GM responsibilities" and final say, in terms of the players that are signed on and brought in.

In pro-sports, that is generally not a head coach responsibility... he is not drafting players, signing players, trading players. That is the GM.

 

[atlanticuse]

The whole GM thing is getting weird - who reports to whom, what they can do, what they’re blamed for…

President… President of football/basketball ops… GM… HC+GM… HC…

And each of these folks make millions a year.

 

[DoctahLexus]

The whole GM thing is getting weird - who reports to whom, what they can do, what they’re blamed for…

President… President of football/basketball ops… GM… HC+GM… HC…

And each of these folks make millions a year.

What inspired the profile picture change?

 

[atlanticuse]

What inspired the profile picture change?

The Syracuse.com article - love it.
Passion, grit, success on the court.
And defending fellow Alumni Adrian Autry from the vitriol of the internet trolls.
Not sure what that or this has to do with Alex Klein.

 

[CU44SE]

Name the last time Syracuse executed in crunch time after a timeout. Or even a simple inbounds play?

That tells you everything you need to know about the level of coaching we have.

And you know the worst part. Red actually turned down adding another assistant coach to his staff. Like he and his staff had all the answers.

Meanwhile, any staff in any sport is working to add more and more analyst positions. Yet, here is our coach saying nooo. We don’t need more resources or coaches. Why would I want that!!! No competent coach in America would turn down extra resources and coaches.

 

[capeorange]

Name the last time Syracuse executed in crunch time after a timeout. Or even a simple inbounds play?

That tells you everything you need to know about the level of coaching we have.

And you know the worst part. Red actually turned down adding another assistant coach to his staff. Like he and his staff had all the answers.

Meanwhile, any staff in any sport is working to add more and more analyst positions. Yet, here is our coach saying nooo. We don’t need more resources or coaches. Why would I want that!!! No competent coach in America would turn down extra resources and coaches.

Exactly.
Your last sentence nailed it.

 

[MamesJungro]

Seemed to do a good job this year. They might not be all superstars, but there aren't many glaring holes, at least offensively, and it least the team seems intentionally built rather than just a grab bag of availible players

I hope he stays (unless the new person has their version of a Klein that they are bringing)

 

[littlereg]

Kline had nothing to do with last years roster, put an ncaa tournament team together this year. Not his fault he inherited the worst coach in.college bball.

We gathered talent, but The team isn’t constructed at all. I’m just not convinced as others are that any average coach has this team at a tournament level when there’s absolutely nothing to show such. Multiple of our players are so fundamental and IQ lacking and that doesn’t just magically happen after Red became their coach. Red sucks, but maybe there’s multuple reasons our players havent won a damn thing at the college level here or elsewhere.

 

[SUFan44]

We gathered talent, but The team isn’t constructed at all. I’m just not convinced as others are that any average coach has this team at a tournament level when there’s absolutely nothing to show such. Multiple of our players are so fundamental and IQ lacking and that doesn’t just magically happen after Red became their coach. Red sucks, but maybe there’s multuple reasons our players havent won a damn thing at the college level here or elsewhere.

Why do you say this?

Nate Kingz was a part of a 20-win season at Oregon State. His team at Oregon State beat nationally-ranked Gonzaga in a game that he had 20 points and was super efficient. And overall his numbers were much better.

William Kyle played in 32 games last year for a UCLA team that won 23 games. He only played 10 minutes a game, but he was a member of that team and was a bit contributor to a team that went to the NCAA Tournament.

Nait George, I don't disagree - he played on a .500 team in the ACC and was a starter, but never won at a high level. However, his stats are overall better at GT than they are this season.

Those are the three main portal additions. They had varying levels of success at their prior institutions but the issue is Freeman, Starling & the others are SU products and haven't done anything to produce team wins.

I don't know that I agree with the 'haven't won a damn thing' argument.

 

[SUFan44]

I'd say in college basketball, the Head Coach still has a lot of "GM responsibilities" and final say, in terms of the players that are signed on and brought in.

In pro-sports, that is generally not a head coach responsibility... he is not drafting players, signing players, trading players. That is the GM.

GM in college basketball is totally different than GM of NBA teams. The pay structure is about the head coach, and they are ultimately the decision makers in college basketball.

 

[Sherman20]

The narrative on the board that we lack talent is one of the least coherent arguments in forum history.

The Houston games a prime example. The game was close based on talent alone. Red does not get these guys amped up to play, he does not make adjustments that benefit us. We lost that game because of inexplicable subbing and some of the most boneheaded designed plays ever ran.

The team has talent. Its all on coaching. You see it in the discipline.

He clearly doesn’t have an effective offensive philosophy and hasn’t taught it well and gotten buy in from the players. Apparently they spent most of the summer working on defense, which improved, but didn’t spend much time on the offense—which is poorly schemed to begin with.

 

[Cusefan0307]

He clearly doesn’t have an effective offensive philosophy and hasn’t taught it well and gotten buy in from the players. Apparently they spent most of the summer working on defense, which improved, but didn’t spend much time on the offense—which is poorly schemed to begin with.

The defense was good for about 8 games. It’s gone reversed to Reds mean since.

 

[kirbivore]

he should be swept out with everyone else. Complete purge and start fresh

 

[Bulldog04]

Alex did his job and did exactly what he was supposed to do. This roster was good enough to win a lot of games. The system and coaching was not. It’s that simple

 

[Dcuse]

he should be swept out with everyone else. Complete purge and start fresh

Poorly thought out post...sorry.

 

[sufan59]

Alex did his job and did exactly what he was supposed to do. This roster was good enough to win a lot of games. The system and coaching was not. It’s that simple

100%. It's why we were so optimistic going into the season, I thought Alex built a good enough roster to overcome our coaching deficiencies lol. If anything I'm learning coaching matters even more than I already thought it did. Alex Kline in this situation reminds me of Jason Beck on the football side when Dino Babers got fired, it's pretty obvious Kline is good at his job and will be good no matter what whether that is staying at Syracuse, go somewhere new in College or the NBA. The status of Alex Kline can't be the determining factor in who you hire next, but I'm sure the prospect of keeping Alex Kline does expand the candidate pool of guys who may have increased interest to come here to work with him. Alex strikes me as a very smart guy and I'm sure if he had full autonomy of the staff like he does pretty much with the roster now, the staff would look significantly different. I mean before they got Alex Kline, they recruited the slowest center in all of College Basketball when they wanted to run an up tempo, high possession style of play. It made no sense and that's not a knock at Eddie Lampkin because he's a dangerous player if you put him into a position to succeed, but it took the staff until the middle of February to slow the game down for him and see a better product.

 

[M2MPrinciples]

100%. It's why we were so optimistic going into the season, I thought Alex built a good enough roster to overcome our coaching deficiencies lol. If anything I'm learning coaching matters even more than I already thought it did. Alex Kline in this situation reminds me of Jason Beck on the football side when Dino Babers got fired, it's pretty obvious Kline is good at his job and will be good no matter what whether that is staying at Syracuse, go somewhere new in College or the NBA. The status of Alex Kline can't be the determining factor in who you hire next, but I'm sure the prospect of keeping Alex Kline does expand the candidate pool of guys who may have increased interest to come here to work with him. Alex strikes me as a very smart guy and I'm sure if he had full autonomy of the staff like he does pretty much with the roster now, the staff would look significantly different. I mean before they got Alex Kline, they recruited the slowest center in all of College Basketball when they wanted to run an up tempo, high possession style of play. It made no sense and that's not a knock at Eddie Lampkin because he's a dangerous player if you put him into a position to succeed, but it took the staff until the middle of February to slow the game down for him and see a better product.

Generally agree with this. The program received a gift in the form of Alex joining the program. He's still young enough to be motivated by the promise of bigger opportunities, though, so if his talents continue to go to waste I imagine he'll start looking for greener pastures before too long.

 

[orangepassion]

We gathered talent, but The team isn’t constructed at all. I’m just not convinced as others are that any average coach has this team at a tournament level when there’s absolutely nothing to show such. Multiple of our players are so fundamental and IQ lacking and that doesn’t just magically happen after Red became their coach. Red sucks, but maybe there’s multuple reasons our players havent won a damn thing at the college level here or elsewhere.

Vegas showed everyone we have good talent. Heck, we almost and should have beat Houston (#3 in the country) w/o our best player. If Kline is let go (or leaves), he'll get a new job in about 5 minutes.

 

[Fly Rodder]

AFAIK, Kline's role supports the HC, but reports to the AD. Basically, Red works with Kline to identify the types of players he is looking for and Kline and his staff find the players and figure out what it will take to get them ($$, role, etc.), what's an overpay, what's a bargain, etc. Then the staff recruits them and sells them on the program.

 

[Ozone!]

Alex Kline is a decent person and very good at what he does​

Attacking him is just displacing your anger with the current coaching staff onto a person, where it doesn’t belong!

 

[IthaCuse]

This thread is proof that our fanbase is in denial about the talent level that we brought in. We are currently 13-11 with 7 games to go. The most likely outcome of those 7 games is that we go 2-5, and then lose in the first round of the ACC tournament to finish 15-17. We went 14-19 last season.

That’s an improvement of 1.5 wins with the exact same coaching staff. The talent we brought in was only marginally better than last season. 3 of our transfers were bench guys at their prior schools, only Nait George was truly a high value signing, and he’s been a huge disappointment. We have 4 guys scoring double figures per game, only one of those scores more than 12 per game. The only incoming guy performing significantly below their last stop is George.

I think people play Red up to be a worse coach than he is so they can act like the same talent with a good staff produces a good result. The reality is, we have about as much evidence for that for last years squad as we do for this years team. Either a good coach gets both to a good record, or neither was sufficient from a talent standpoint. I tend to think it’s the latter.

 

[Cusefan0307]

This thread is proof that our fanbase is in denial about the talent level that we brought in. We are currently 13-11 with 7 games to go. The most likely outcome of those 7 games is that we go 2-5, and then lose in the first round of the ACC tournament to finish 15-17. We went 14-19 last season.

That’s an improvement of 1.5 wins with the exact same coaching staff. The talent we brought in was only marginally better than last season. 3 of our transfers were bench guys at their prior schools, only Nait George was truly a high value signing, and he’s been a huge disappointment. We have 4 guys scoring double figures per game, only one of those scores more than 12 per game. The only incoming guy performing significantly below their last stop is George.

I think people play Red up to be a worse coach than he is so they can act like the same talent with a good staff produces a good result. The reality is, we have about as much evidence for that for last years squad as we do for this years team. Either a good coach gets both to a good record, or neither was sufficient from a talent standpoint. I tend to think it’s the latter.

Nate Kingz started 31 games last year. Stop trying to push a narrative Paulie.

At worst experts had us with the 20th best newcomer class in the country this offseason. AT WORST. We were as high as 14.

 

[RedtheGOB]

New coaches decision. Simple as that.

 

[LpoolNative]

This issue this year hasn’t been $ or roster.

Let’s hope the money that was pumped into the program last off season continues.

The “where do we sit with NIL $” discussion is somewhat complex. You need to clarify parameters. Last off season, my belief is we were upper half of ACC. Maybe top 5-7.

Am I confident that will be the case going forward? Not really, I hope so, but as I’ve consistently posted, my understanding is we relied on what may have been a one time infusion last year.

Damn we wasted our biggest NIL haul and probably won’t be matching it anytime soon. What a disgrace. We’ll never be good again

 

[kirbivore]

We gathered talent, but The team isn’t constructed at all. I’m just not convinced as others are that any average coach has this team at a tournament level when there’s absolutely nothing to show such. Multiple of our players are so fundamental and IQ lacking and that doesn’t just magically happen after Red became their coach. Red sucks, but maybe there’s multuple reasons our players havent won a damn thing at the college level here or elsewhere.

Yet Klein gets a pass by most on here. I respect the Rasputin hustle.