Class of 2016 Andrew White iii... the third

[jr4750]

They have a higher ranked SG than what we have. How is he going to see more time at the SG spot there?

That's true, although marginally higher. 26 to 35 in the final ESPN rankings, and I am of the opinion that TB due to his injuries is grossly under-ranked. At one time, he was top 10. I also believe he is all but assured to start. Maybe Larranga gave Brown the same promise. I hope so, cause I really want AW, but it seems the "2" is more available there. We have three guards who can rotate already, and will definitely play a lot. They only have two players for both guard spots that figure to get major minutes, and one is a true freshman.

 

[Brooky03]

And let's pretend nothing has happened since then. OK.

Who said to do that? Don't do that

 

[RF2044]

Chemistry issues aren't dealt with as easily as you make it sound. JB has had teams implode due to selfish guys/bad teammates.

White has been described by coaches and teammates at both Kansas / Nebraska as having a great attitude, being a great teammate, and not being a guy who is difficult on or off the court.

The only reference to ostensible "chemistry" problems come from speculative posts jumping to the conclusion that he'd be a problem since he hasn't committed as early as some fans would like.

Based upon his track record, I doubt White would be a chemistry problem here.

 

[jr4750]

We're pretty much flucked then.

Look, that was just my uneducated opinion after looking at the rosters. Perhaps he will come to cuse and play the 2. Just seems like we have more guys in the way, of which, I'm not sure how you don't play them.

 

[Brooky03]

That the team is national title caliber sans adding White.

They're probably a borderline top 25 team without White.

That's not the case.

 

[Orangeman13]

What do you mean by this? It certainly seems like AW3 is comparing offers.

I don't think SU offered AW3 everything he wants.

I would think JB would have described a role to AW3 of about 25-30 mpg's, probably starting, and probably at the 3, and him playing the bottom of the zone. This is probably not everything AW3 is looking for.

How do you know what Miami's coach will offer? If they realistically think he could play 35+ mpg's at the 2, it would be something he would like to consider.

Syracuse did offer him everything he wants plus Newhouse.

Can't say anything more.

 

[Brooky03]

White has been described by coaches and teammates at both Kansas / Nebraska as having a great attitude, being a great teammate, and not being a guy who is difficult on or off the court.

The only reference to ostensible "chemistry" problems come from speculative posts jumping to the conclusion that he'd be a problem since he hasn't committed as early as some fans would like.

Based upon his track record, I doubt White would be a chemistry problem here.

Then that's gravy. I'm not saying he is or isn't a bad dude. I'm saying that if there is any risk he would cause issues by wanting to be 'the guy' who puts up a ton of shots, then let him go. He'll likely take minutes from Lydon and Battle. Considering these two will probably be able to score at will on just about anybody, he better be a sure thing if he's going to take some of their minutes.

 

[RF2044]

That's not the case.

Realistically, sure it is.

 

[OrangeDW]

Chemistry issues aren't dealt with as easily as you make it sound. JB has had teams implode due to selfish guys/bad teammates.

When? Deshaun and Shumpert 14 years ago? Team wasn't very talented anyway.

I think Boeheim's teams usually play good ball and have the right guys taking shots and doing the things they are good at much more so than most teams in the country.

 

[orangefog]

That's true, although marginally higher. 26 to 35 in the final ESPN rankings, and I am of the opinion that TB due to his injuries is grossly under-ranked. At one time, he was top 10. I also believe he is all but assured to start. Maybe Larranga gave Brown the same promise. I hope so, cause I really want AW, but it seems the "2" is more available there. We have three guards who can rotate already, and will definitely play a lot. They only have two players for both guard spots that figure to get major minutes, and one is a true freshman.

I agree with you on Battle, I think he is better than his ranking, however, Miami has six guys listed as guards on their roster. One or two can play SF, like Reed, but they don't have a glaring need at either wing spot. SU does have a glaring need at the SF spot, the very same spot that Malachi Richardson filled last year, and got drafted first round as a SG. I don't see how Miami can sell him on anything that beats the situation at Syracuse. But, I have been sold on SU for 40 years.

 

[Brooky03]

Realistically, sure it is.

I disagree


edit: and I'm not one to drastically overstate a team's abilities.

 

[normaliswear]

One thing we might consider too. Is this is an unusual recruitment because of the timing. AW3 knows we and every other team he talks to, are not going to fill his spot with another player if he stretches things out. Maybe normally he loves what cuse has to say and takes it on the spot so nobody else takes it. But now... he can sit and wait and see if something comes along and knocks his socks off. And if not, no harm done, syracuse will be there waiting for him.

 

[asj410]

Wearing #3 seems to be pretty important to AW. Anthony Lawrence wears that number for Miami. I hope he refuses to part with it for one season

 

[AZOrange]

Mike's article is well done and factors in all the options. If White wants to play the "2" then he is Miami bound. He simply has to beat out a true freshman for that role. While at Cuse, that may also be true in a sense, I don't believe its quite as simple. If he starts at the 2 here, I think that forces TB to start at point, where you would imagine Gillon will play/start. If we move TB to the 3, it takes a bigger better rebounder, TL or AW, away from the basket. Think he's a 3 or bust at Cuse, which means if he wants to only be a guard, his options are better at the U. Just my .02 cents.

fwiw battle can absolutely play the 3 here and I think he will

 

[Brooky03]

When? Deshaun and Shumpert 14 years ago? Team wasn't very talented anyway.

I'm still failing to see the relevance in the timeframe since a team last imploded. I said it could happen, it happened recently enough. Maybe somebody can explain the relevance of 14 years to me. (oh, 14 years isn't "recently enough". X happened 14 years ago, does that mean there's a problem with Y? blah blah blah")

And we can all certainly point to examples of teams that might not have completely collapsed but obviously didn't perform up to their standards due in part to chemistry issues. I'm not about to fish out specific examples but you'll find more than one instance between approximately '05 and '09.

 

[Day2]

Who said to do that? Don't do that

Well, you sure seem to be acting that way. This is not the same program it was in 2002 and Boeheim is not the same coach. Instead of pointing to something that happened 14 years ago, you might want to consider why it hasn't happened since.

 

[Day2]

I'm still failing to see the relevance in the timeframe since a team last imploded. I said it could happen, it happened recently enough. Maybe somebody can explain the relevance of 14 years to me. (oh, 14 years isn't "recently enough". X happened 14 years ago, does that mean there's a problem with Y? blah blah blah")

Would you argue today that Boeheim can't win the big one? I mean, up until 2003 you would have had a point. That was recently enough, eh?

 

[RF2044]

I disagree


edit: and I'm not one to drastically overstate a team's abilities.

You're entitled to your opinion. I'm an optimistic fan as well, and with good reason--as JB usually molds the team into a competitive group.

But there won't be anybody outside of this fanbase that would legitimately consider Syracuse to be a national title contender, for a variety of contextual reasons. We lost two fifth year senior guards. We lost the team's top 3 scorers. Lots of new faces. May not be a legitimate 3 on the current roster. Unproven outside shooting from several key players. Etc.

I don't count improbable runs like last year's as being indicative of being a national title contenders. Could it happen? Sure. But on paper...

 

[RF2044]

I'm still failing to see the relevance in the timeframe since a team last imploded. I said it could happen, it happened recently enough. Maybe somebody can explain the relevance of 14 years to me. (oh, 14 years isn't "recently enough". X happened 14 years ago, does that mean there's a problem with Y? blah blah blah")

And we can all certainly point to examples of teams that might not have completely collapsed but obviously didn't perform up to their standards due in part to chemistry issues. I'm not about to fish out specific examples but you'll find more than one instance between approximately '05 and '09.

Was it chemistry or those teams having fairly significant Achilles heel issues?

I mean, I guess you could refer to Edelin during that timeframe, but I view that as more of a team disruption than a chemistry issue.

Edit--maybe McCroskey? If that's the case, then you're probably right.

 

[Cuse'91]

Would you argue today that Boeheim can't win the big one? I mean, up until 2003 you would have had a point. That was recently enough, eh?

Tournament is a crap shoot, lots of luck/matchups/talent involved. You could also say all JB needs to win a NC is a future NBA Hall of Famer on the roster... Lol...

 

[Brooky03]

Would you argue today that Boeheim can't win the big one? I mean, up until 2003 you would have had a point. That was recently enough, eh?

I don't see the comparability between that and what we're arguing here. I'm arguing that something could happen because it's happened before. The argument you proposed would involve arguing that something couldn't happen even though it happened before. Even if we took a time machine back before the '03 championship, it would still be an argument that something couldn't happen because it hasn't happened before, which is a weird stance to take in a debate.

 

[Day2]

Then that's gravy. I'm not saying he is or isn't a bad dude. I'm saying that if there is any risk he would cause issues by wanting to be 'the guy' who puts up a ton of shots, then let him go. He'll likely take minutes from Lydon and Battle. Considering these two will probably be able to score at will on just about anybody, he better be a sure thing if he's going to take some of their minutes.

Any risk? So if there's a 1% chance, you're kicking him to the curb?

There are no sure things, there are no guarantees. But the odds are better that he'll fill a need than be a disruption, so you have to take that chance. And you have to be confident that Boeheim will be able to handle it if there's an issue.

 

[AZOrange]

Was it chemistry or those teams having fairly significant Achilles heel issues? I mean, I guess you could refer to Edelin during that timeframe, but I view that as more of a team disruption than a chemistry issue. Edit--maybe McCroskey? If that's the case, then you're probably right.

Harris, Flynn, Devo and Greene era had some

 

[Day2]

I don't see the comparability between that and what we're arguing here. I'm arguing that something could happen because it's happened before. The argument you proposed would involve arguing that something couldn't happen even though it happened before. Even if we took a time machine back before the '03 championship, it would still be an argument that something couldn't happen because it hasn't happened before, which is a weird stance to take in a debate.

No, it just means that a lot can change in 15 years. People learn from their mistakes. They adjust. 2002 wasn't yesterday.

 

[Brooky03]

You're entitled to your opinion. I'm an optimistic fan as well, and with good reason--as JB usually molds the team into a competitive group.

But there won't be anybody outside of this fanbase that would legitimately consider Syracuse to be a national title contender, for a variety of contextual reasons. We lost two fifth year senior guards. We lost the team's top 3 scorers. Lots of new faces. May not be a legitimate 3 on the current roster. Unproven outside shooting from several key players. Etc.

I don't count improbable runs like last year's as being indicative of being a national title contenders. Could it happen? Sure. But on paper...

This team compares favorably to the '10 team, which is my favorite team of all-time and one we'd all probably agree is about the 3rd best or better in program history. Comparing across seasons isn't ideal, but I went through the numbers and we have a match for just about every player on that team. The players that don't match up perfectly (Onuaku) are made up in other areas (12 foot tall Chukwu).

That's partially the bases for my thinking.