Angeli has arrived

[DoctorBombay]

Probable means its likely to happen. Improbable means it is unlikely to happen. If he does well at SU in 2025 i think it is improbable he leaves SU and the staff to go to another school for his senior season. Especially when we think we think the team is more set up for a run in the 2026 season than the 2025 season, schedule and all. Sure its possible he leaves, but not probable. I stand by my wording.

 

[bnoro]

I was told by a very good source that Collin’s is a great athlete with a strong arm but hasn’t mastered the mental aspects of the game and is unlikely to start. He is one of the reasons that Pena left. It’s Angeli’s job to lose

Another stereotypical trope

 

[RMH44]

Another stereotypical trope

Based on who's stereotypes, yours?

 

[GoSU96]

Another stereotypical trope

But what if for this particular player it’s true?

Should reality be ignored just because it matches a stereotype?

 

[walsh2012]

Lot of stereotypical tropes I'm starting to see popping up here when comparing Collins with Angeli...

Because he got hurt before the spring game, it's giving people the ability to throw nonsense out there.

I hate the sterotype stuff as much as anyone, but I think it's unfair to accuse people of that off hand. It's possible for the sterotype to be hack and for the results it predicts to play out for unrelated reasons in specific cases.

I'm in the dark here, just feel like it should be said that two things can be true at once

 

[anglerman]

But what if for this particular player it’s true?

Should reality be ignored just because it matches a stereotype?

It is true and my source would certainly know

 

[anglerman]

I hate the sterotype stuff as anyone, but I think it's unfair to accuse people of that off hand. It's possible for the sterotype to be hack and for the results it predicts to play out for unrelated reasons in specific cases.

I'm in the dark here, just feel like it should be said that two things can be true at once

Look he doesn’t have the mental aspects of the position down. It’s not a stereotype it’s what someone very much in the know told me.
Told me many other things and maybe you guys know this already but Wohlabaugh transferred because he did not want to play center and that’s it. The staff insisted he play center.

Another stereotypical trope

 

[anglerman]

I honestly don’t think the staff brought Angeli in with the thought of him being the backup. Now, if he looks ok in fall camp but Collins looks incredible, do I think they will ignore that and start Angeli? Of course not, but I think they are counting on him beating Rickie out and looking very good doing it. With our schedule and all the young guys we have, we need a steady veteran(relatively speaking) at QB.

I don’t think they would bring in Angeli if they were satisfied that Collins has what it takes to be the starter

 

[P Vasiloff]

I would have to think that Steve Angeli did not come to Syracuse to sit. That being said, I would bet Coach Brown did not make any promises but behind closed doors concerns were discussed and expectations were stated and it would be a pretty fair assumption that Steve Angeli was comfortable with knowing what he needs to do to win the starting job.

 

[walsh2012]

Look he doesn’t have the mental aspects of the position down. It’s not a stereotype it’s what someone very much in the know told me.
Told me many other things and maybe you guys know this already but Wohlabaugh transferred because he did not want to play center and that’s it. The staff insisted he play center.

i was agreeing with the idea that - even if it is a stereotype - that doesnt mean it's never true in a specific context

 

[richmondcuse03]

I would have to think that Steve Angeli did not come to Syracuse to sit. That being said, I would bet Coach Brown did not make any promises but behind closed doors concerns were discussed and expectations were stated and it would be a pretty fair assumption that Steve Angeli was comfortable with knowing what he needs to do to win the starting job.

That’s precisely what I was told happened. No guarantees on starting but he knows what he needs to do and who he has to beat out.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Look he doesn’t have the mental aspects of the position down. It’s not a stereotype it’s what someone very much in the know told me.
Told me many other things and maybe you guys know this already but Wohlabaugh transferred because he did not want to play center and that’s it. The staff insisted he play center.

I was told the same re collins. Lots of physical traits and incredible arm but decision making still needs some work. But he’s a great kid and a phenomenal teammate. They will both push each other to be better.

 

[Archimedes]

I was told the same re collins. Lots of physical traits and incredible arm but decision making still needs some work. But he’s a great kid and a phenomenal teammate. They will both push each other to be better.

Nixon is really creative and seems like the best mind on the staff. I wouldn't be surprised if he figures out a way to use both guys. There's always a chance one guy gets hurt too. I hope we have two good options.

 

[23Zone]

Nixon is really creative and seems like the best mind on the staff. I wouldn't be surprised if he figures out a way to use both guys. There's always a chance one guy gets hurt too. I hope we have two good option

Agree and let the best man win. It will work itself out. Good "problem" to have.

 

[Cusefan69]

So to me even if Angeli wins QB1, I still want Collins getting some game reps depending on scenarios. Best way for him to get better is to have some live action and game tape. Have Nixon work up 5 to 8 packages around maybe short yardage or redzone perhaps.

 

[Scooch]

It's not outlandish to think there must be something deficient with Collins that led the staff to bring in Angeli. If the guy was unquestionably the next great SU QB they wouldn't bother wasting financial resources on another transfer.

I certainly don't know what those deficiencies might be, but dismissing posts about them out of hand seems silly to me.

I mean, it's not like Shrader and DeVito were known for their phenomenal decision making either.

 

[orange79]

It's not outlandish to think there must be something deficient with Collins that led the staff to bring in Angeli. If the guy was unquestionably the next great SU QB they wouldn't bother wasting financial resources on another transfer.

I certainly don't know what those deficiencies might be, but dismissing posts about them out of hand seems silly to me.

I mean, it's not like Shrader and DeVito were known for their phenomenal decision making either.

 

[Archbold44]

Nixon is really creative and seems like the best mind on the staff. I wouldn't be surprised if he figures out a way to use both guys. There's always a chance one guy gets hurt too. I hope we have two good options.

This. If you are smart, you use your opportunities as a coach to develop a player and as a player to allow yourself to get experience. Look what Marrone did with Nassib behind Paulus. More than just garbage time plays too. That went a long way towards preparing Nassib to be the starter for 2010 to 2012.

Actually, in hindsight, the fact that Marrone was not preparing someone for 2013 is pretty telling. A lot of close games that year though. Only a few blowouts.

 

[007]

It's not outlandish to think there must be something deficient with Collins that led the staff to bring in Angeli. If the guy was unquestionably the next great SU QB they wouldn't bother wasting financial resources on another transfer.

I certainly don't know what those deficiencies might be, but dismissing posts about them out of hand seems silly to me.

I mean, it's not like Shrader and DeVito were known for their phenomenal decision making either.

That's a reasonable assumption for sure.

On the other hand, I tend to think it was as simple as they saw an opportunity and took advantage of it. Fits Fran MO. He made the $$$ work. Let these guys compete - like all QBs, both have weaknesses. The "winner" plays.

 

[bnoro]

It's not outlandish to think there must be something deficient with Collins that led the staff to bring in Angeli. If the guy was unquestionably the next great SU QB they wouldn't bother wasting financial resources on another transfer.

I certainly don't know what those deficiencies might be, but dismissing posts about them out of hand seems silly to me.

I mean, it's not like Shrader and DeVito were known for their phenomenal decision making either.

Not outlandish at all. "Decision making" is a lot different than "mastering the mental aspects" or "not grasping the playbook".

One makes it sound like he's dumb and the other is something all QBs can have issues with at times.

 

[anglerman]

Not outlandish at all. "Decision making" is a lot different than "mastering the mental aspects" or "not grasping the playbook".

One makes it sound like he's dumb and the other is something all QBs can have issues with at times.

I was told he struggles reading defenses. That is mental aspect of the game. It seems as though you’ve made this some kind of race thing which I think is totally bizarre

 

[bnoro]

I was told he struggles reading defenses. That is mental aspect of the game. It seems as though you’ve made this some kind of race thing which I think is totally bizarre

I wasn't calling you out directly, and I don't doubt your source. I think the whole debate around these two quarterbacks going back to when Angeli was being recruited here has had undertones.

Stuff about running/pocket passing QBs when both QBs actually have similar profiles.

But I've never heard anyone say a white QB is "struggling to learn the playbook". Black QBs are automatically all painted with the same brush. Lamar Jackson is STILL getting hammered for "decision-making" and he's one of the best QBs in the NFL.

 

[FrancoPizza]

I wasn't calling you out directly, and I don't doubt your source. I think the whole debate around these two quarterbacks going back to when Angeli was being recruited here has had undertones.

Stuff about running/pocket passing QBs when both QBs actually have similar profiles.

But I've never heard anyone say a white QB is "struggling to learn the playbook". Black QBs are automatically all painted with the same brush. Lamar Jackson is STILL getting hammered for "decision-making" and he's one of the best QBs in the NFL.

You are literally the only person making this an issue. I think 99.999% of the fans just want a QB that will give us the best chance to win. Nobody cares about the skin color.

 

[SUfanNC]

Another stereotypical trope

Just because it’s where your mind goes do not mean it’s how it goes for everyone. Plus it’s information he was given. It’s as good as it’s gets without naming starters right now. Who knows how it will shake out. It’s just somewhat current info.

 

[VA Citrus]

Brian Kelly had some comments about Collins before last year about his slow development. It is a little notable when a Baton Rouge kid has to go to Syracuse to get on the field. He is super talented though. For 2025, I'm happy with Angeli as QB1 and maybe working Collins in as a duel threat with maybe a more limited play set. I don't think it'll be a situation like 2024 where Kyle took basically every snap even in garbage time of the Pitt game.