Anyone hear this new stadium rumor

[JeremyCuse]

The Governor is looking to continue to make his mark upstate. I was part of recent dealing with the Governor on a local issue. Let's put it this way, if the Governor wants it done, it WILL get done. Take that to the bank.

With his poll numbers the way they are in upstate its no shock he wants to make a mark here. Im sure the Governor wants to get a lot done but again I will remain skeptical until its announced.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Let's make it part of a HUGE CNY project. I-81, inner harbor, rail. Redo the lake front, move 690 so the Fair has some lake frontage. Lots of great stuff to do.

 

[Jake]

Exactly, call Darryl Gross on Monday and tell him your from the City of Syracuse and that you have decided to hold this years Taste of Syracuse, Irish Fest, Juneteenth, and Italian fest at the dome this year. The laughter from his end of the line would be epic.

Really? Who do you think has the leverage here? The state handing out a half billion dollar project, or the university who's endowment was raped by Cantor.

 

[OburgOrange]

With his poll numbers the way they are in upstate its no shock he wants to make a mark here. Im sure the Governor wants to get a lot done but again I will remain skeptical until its announced.

True, talk is cheap...but at least it's talk.

 

[Crusty]

With his poll numbers the way they are in upstate its no shock he wants to make a mark here. Im sure the Governor wants to get a lot done but again I will remain skeptical until its announced.

Of course announcing and doing are two different things.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Really? Who do you think has the leverage here? The state handing out a half billion dollar project, or the university who's endowment was raped by Cantor.

What leverage? The dome isn't falling apart or in dire need of replacement that has to begin construction as soon as Spring hits. CNY and the State need Syracuse, there the largest private employer by far in the region if anything ever happened to them the economy in this area would collapse. Taxpayers paid for most of the Dome last time, exactly what goes on there that Syracuse doesn't approve of? You of all people with your connections should know Syracuse isn't letting there new stadium turn into Hanover square in the summer.

 

[Crusty]

What leverage? The dome isn't falling apart or in dire need of replacement that has to begin construction as soon as Spring hits. CNY and the State need Syracuse, there the largest private employer by far in the region if anything ever happened to them the economy in this area would collapse. Taxpayers paid for most of the Dome last time, exactly what goes on there that Syracuse doesn't approve of? You of all people with your connections should know Syracuse isn't letting there new stadium turn into Hanover square in the summer.

Not so fast my friend (always wanted to say that). Seriously, Universities like SU are very aware that they do little for the property tax base. Cornell has been leasing property for years trying to be a good citizen. So why would SU care about outside events to benefit the community and help revitalize an inner city area? Especially, if the state pays the bill to build it.

 

[JeremyCuse]

True, talk is cheap...but at least it's talk.

Yup at least there is some discussion, if it happens it would be great im just not going to get my hopes up plus I love the dome so either way works for me.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Not so fast my friend (always wanted to say that). Seriously, Universities like SU are very aware that they do little for the property tax base. Cornell has been leasing property for years trying to be a good citizen. So why would SU care about outside events to benefit the community and help revitalize an inner city area? Especially, if the state pays the bill to build it.

LOL loved the not so fast. I dont think Syracuse would be against outside events or helping revitalize the area, they have done that by buying some downtown buildings and renovating them along with the connective corridor. My point is that I dont see any scenario where the new stadium suddenly becomes the go to place for any and all events that the city or county hosts ie the festivals and other things. Syracuse is very protective about who and what use there facilities regardless of who funded the most of it (taxpayers). My example was that while taxpayers funded the Carrier Dome theres zero chance SU would agree to host this years taste of syracuse inside the Dome, its not even a realm of possibility. Would a new stadium hold different events? Sure there would be concerts, maybe conventions, different types of shows etc but I see zero chance Gross and the school allow it to become the new party place like Hanover square.

 

[Blaster]

It has been a horrible mistake the day it was built there, why make another one 50 times as ridiculous putting SU that far away from campus and completely wasting an opportunity to do something right. That stadium should have been downtown and anyone involved in it's construction said that putting it where it is now is a huge mistake.

In that case, why not just put the stadium in Liverpool or Solvay, just wow...

As long as there is a parking lot around stadium I could care less where it is. I just wanna grill and drink then just walk right through gates of the stadium

 

[Bayside44]

Yes but the Dome has never lived up to its potential to have 6-10 huge acts a year.

There aren't 6 - 10 stadium acts anymore.

 

[rocklloyd]

The Carrier name rights deal was historic in the sports world. Clearly, the out clause was not in the best interests given the corporate pull out, but innovation rarely comes with perfection.

Corporate pull out? Outside of upstate and SU, Carrier is one of the areas largest employers.

 

[Opus]

Well this is an election year...right?
Sorry if this is OT

http://www.saratogian.com/general-news/20140112/cuomo-prepares-for-re-election-bid-for-ny-governor

 

[CuseOnly]

The taxpayers funded most of the Carrier Dome and I can tell you they have absolutely zero say in what happens there. One thing I know for sure, Gross and Syracuse isn't going to go into this if there going to be considered a "renter", there going to have considerable say in what does and doesn't happen there.

That is true, but I am sure that you know what a grant is, money that doesn't have to be paid back to the state. The $15 mil that was state money used to build the dome was a grant on top of the fact that the dome was built on University owned land. Also was a different era.

In this current case, I can guarantee you that SU is not getting a Grant for $400 million dollars to not be paid back even if it is built at Skytop unless there are ownership/usage/naming/tax agreements among other things put in place.

 

[Jake]

If you're talking the Taste of Syracuse and that type of stuff, I agree, but trust me if the City calls Daryl and offers up a concept...the university, if this were to happen, would not be in any position to laugh at any proposal.

The last time the state came up with this kind of cash for a stadium concept was, um...never. When its offered, you say yes and then you likely will have to make some types of concessions that you never had to consider before. So to poo - poo any concept as a show stopper is not realistic. The only entity in a worse financial position right now to build a stadium than the state and the county, is the University.

The dome is aging and in today's world of stadia, its antiquated. By the time the stars align and another such off comes around both of us could be pushing up daisies. So yeah, the university's leverage in the case, is two steps above Nil.

 

[CuseOnly]

Corporate pull out? Outside of upstate and SU, Carrier is one of the areas largest employers.

Where are all of these Carrier employees? All of my buddies were laid off and the Carrier building is a dilapidated ghost town, sxeveral hundreds of thousands of square feet abandoned. Just like GM Fisher Guide, Lockheed Martin and so on.

 

[All4SU]

Here is all I need to know about cost numbers...

Fixed Roof $ < Retractable Roof $$$$

We're not getting Final Four's in Syracuse, not getting a BCS or Playoff Bowl game, not getting a superbowl etc. A retractable roof would be a waste of money. Even if it was given to SU by a super wealthy donor, its just a waste of money.

For the record, if someone gives it to you, it's not a waste of money...

 

[JeremyCuse]

If you're talking the Taste of Syracuse and that type of stuff, I agree, but trust me if the City calls Daryl and offers up a concept...the university, if this were to happen, would not be in any position to laugh at any proposal.

The last time the state came up with this kind of cash for a stadium concept was, um...never. When its offered, you say yes and then you likely will have to make some types of concessions that you never had to consider before. So to poo - poo any concept as a show stopper is not realistic. The only entity in a worse financial position right now to build a stadium than the state and the county, is the University.

So yeah, the university's leverage in the case, is two steps above Nil.

The dome is aging and in today's world of stadia, its antiquated. By the time the stars align and another such off comes around both of us could be pushing up daisies. So yes, the University's position isn

I agree with pretty much everything you said, when I said events I was talking about the taste of Syracuse type of stuff and festivals like that. My point about Darryl laughing was if someone called him Monday about using the Dome this summer for something like that, I think we both agree it will be a cold day in hell before SU would let the dome be used for that.

I agree that Syracuse would be insane to turn down state money for a new stadium, as I stated before if its offered you take it and run theres no reason to even think about it. Like you said who knows if this would ever come up again in our lifetimes so Syracuse would be crazy to turn it down over some concessions. My only point is that I fully expect Syracuse to request a large say in what events take place in the stadium and that they would have similar control like they do now over the dome but with the caveat that they dont have full control like they do now and would need to allow some things that currently Syracuse would never touch. All in all I think were pretty much on the same page I just think Syracuse has a little more leverage then it would appear.

 

[TexanMark]

There aren't 6 - 10 stadium acts anymore.

Monster Jam
2-3 Country Acts
2-3 Rock Acts (Old Farts and New Bands)
1-2 Hip Hop Acts
1-2 UFC or WWE

If done right you can have acts for 25k and 45kseating configurations

 

[CuseOnly]

I still don't like the thought of going down in capacity unless of course the place looks like the Taj Majal. I do unfortunately see higher season ticket prices in our future if this happens.

 

[anomander]

Too many public events have been bumped from the Dome because of University events and uses. Like track & field, for instance. And when was the last time a big concert was held there?

Zach Brown Band was pretty cool last Summer

 

[rocklloyd]

Where are all of these Carrier employees? All of my buddies were laid off and the Carrier building is a dilapidated ghost town, sxeveral hundreds of thousands of square feet abandoned. Just like GM Fisher Guide, Lockheed Martin and so on.

You don't get out much as there is not several hundreds of thousand soft of abandoned space. All remaining building are in use as either office or laboratories.

There's 1400 engineers, finance, and marketing people.

 

[cuseguy]

Or maybe it was because it was just off campus, and too big if a hassle for students. It is asinine to repeat an avoidable mistake made elsewhere. Putting it at the inner harbor just because there's space would be an example of not thinking things through.

If a new stadium doesn't include more parking for tailgating, in the neighborhood of 8-10,000 cars, it's a horrible idea.

 

[Chris02M]

if they are going to do it might as well look at it now before the roof would need replacing and other major projects being done upstate with casinos I 81 stuff but I would think it would take a while to get going

 

[anomander]

I'll leave the University's growth stuff to people that know more than me. OttoMets seems really plugged in and he has low expectations. In the past 10 years, Newhouse has grown, Whitman has a new home, the College of Law will soon have a new home, the school Faulk spent millions on will have a new home, new housing was built, and several athletic facilities, including the Dome were upgraded. I'm not sure there is a need (or even ability) for the University to continue proliferating the way you suggest. Interest rates are rising and the cost of education is spiraling. Somethings got to give. Couple that with SUNY Upstate being a dumpster fire...

As Jeremy noted, NY, Onondaga and Syracuse are all broke (and hemorrhaging population). Destiny USA was a scam. Attendance at the State Fair is down. Apathy abounds about the Chiefs and Crunch (and maybe even SU football). Syracuse is not a destination. This is not a "build it and they will come" situation. Cuomo couldnt find Syracuse on a map, and he wouldnt care if he could. Read about ALbany's convention center debacle for some insight into public sector projects upstate, and that's in the State's Capital. I really like Syracuse and enjoyed my time there, but it is a non-starter in the Capital Region.

I'm sorry, but i feel very strongly this will never happen. You guys are talking about more than just brick and mortar. Retractable roof; light rail; relocating infrastructure and business; continued cleanup of inner harbor; TM mentioned a rack railway for Pete's Sake.

Thank goodness the Dome is perfectly suitable for everything SU needs.

the only thing i could see that could maybe reverse the trend is if fracking is approved. Injection of young labor, new corporations with gobs of money, jobs, economical development, etc. But i think that ship has sailed as well.

i'm sorry but I strongly disagree with a lot of your opinions, and you are flat out wrong that this isn't being seriously considered.