Anyone hear this new stadium rumor

[OburgOrange]

No, but hopefully Bruce is.

Bruce who?

 

[cuseguy]

I've read just about every post in this thread, during which time two quarters have passed in the Broncos-Chargers game.

My take:

A stadium next to Destiny on the Inner Harbor makes the most sense.

Tailgating needs to be a priority. I agree that we'll attract 5-7,000 more each game with a practical pregame setup.

Seating needs to be at least 45,000 for football with the ability to expand to 55,000 or more should the need arise. Don't be stupid.

Be careful with basketball seating. Think wisely. What we have now is unique. It's sets us apart from the rest. Could it be more intimate? Sure. But seating for less than 30,000 would be a huge mistake.

Retractable roof? If you're building a stadium with room for expansion, this isn't an issue.

Hey, with the way things move in CNY, I'll be singing the SU fight song from 6 feet under by the time this happens.

In the meantime, I'll enjoy the Fine Lot, having a slice at the Varsity, a beer at Faegan's and walking to the Dome. It's the Syracuse experience.

 

[OburgOrange]

I've read just about every post in this thread, during which time two quarters have passed in the Broncos-Chargers game.

My take:

A stadium next to Destiny on the Inner Harbor makes the most sense.

Tailgating needs to be a priority. I agree that we'll attract 5-7,000 more each game with a practical pregame setup.

Seating needs to be at least 45,000 for football with the ability to expand to 55,000 or more should the need arise. Don't be stupid.

Be careful with basketball seating. Think wisely. What we have now is unique. It's sets us apart from the rest. Could it be more intimate? Sure. But seating for less than 30,000 would be a huge mistake.

Retractable roof? If you're building a stadium with room for expansion, this isn't an issue.

Hey, with the way things move in CNY, I'll be singing the SU fight song from 6 feet under by the time this happens.

In the meantime, I'll enjoy the Fine Lot, having a slice at the Varsity, a beer at Faegan's and walking to the Dome. It's the Syracuse experience.

Love your last paragraph.

 

[orange79]

Bruce who?

Don't start with me.

 

[OburgOrange]

Don't start with me.

I jest, I jest...

 

[KaiserUEO]

Beyoncé, Jay Z, Springsteen, One Direction, U2, Macklemore, Arcade Fire and then throw in some hot country acts and you've got a good stadium lineup

Sure.

U tell them to tour every year, do Stadiums...and decide cny is worth their time.

 

[Toga]

I would like it to have a moving sidewalk that delivers me directly to my cushioned seat and have text ordered beers and food delivered directly to me.

 

[CIL]

Why does everyone keep saying this?? The dome is NOT OLD AT ALL. Not counting the two NFL stadiums, we are in by far the newest stadium.

ACC Stadium Openings...

Pitt, Heinz Field - 2001
Miami, Sun Life - 1987
Syracuse, Carrier Dome - 1980
Wake, BBT - 1968
NC State, Carter Finley - 1968
VaTech, Lane Stadium - 1965
BC, Alumni Stadium - 1957
Maryland, Byrd - 1950
FSU, Doake Campbell - 1950
Clemson, Memorial Stadium - 1942
Duke, Wallace Wade - 1929
UNC, Kenan Memorial - 1927
Georgia Tech, Bobby Dodd - 1913
UVA, Scott Stadium -1931

The DOme Sucks becuase it is too big for our fanbase and the sea of aluminum is AWFUL. The gray from the concrete is AWFUL. And the Lighting is terrible. If you simply changed the aluminum seats to Navy Blue or Orange ACTUAL SEATS, it would drastically improve the dome.

You want new Luxo suites, the gut the existing ones and start over. We have a unique venue for basketball. Playing in front of 34k is a big recruiting pitch. Lose that by moving to a new 20k basketball/hockey rink will impact us.

The dome just needs some sprucing up.

While I agree with some of your points, you do know that all of those stadiums have undergone massive renovations since the done was built? Wake, NC St, UNC, and Lane Stadium really come to mind.

 

[PhatOrange]

Let me put in my vote for the Inner Harbor right now. You have such a great entertainment and travel infrastructure right there. 81 and 690 exits right there. Shuttles or cabs from the bus/train station would be a snap. You've got the mall, and it would connect the North Side of town to Franklin Square and Downtown. Plus plenty of parking (on flat ground!) to make for epic tailgating. No more hikes up the hill to go to the game. YAY!!

Yeah that, and It would be totally badass if I could drive my boat up to the stadium for a game.

 

[KellySyracuse]

Syracuse has loads of potential. The biggest thing that is holding Syracuse back is Syracusans.

Yes and no, there are quite a few negative nellies voicing opinions here that have nothing to do with the city, their only vested interest is the university.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Yeah that, and It would be totally badass if I could drive my boat up to the stadium for a game.

You can be the first Admiral in the Orange Navy.

Or the Navy Navy, depending on what color pants we wear.

 

[Whitey23]

I would like it to have a moving sidewalk that delivers me directly to my cushioned seat and have text ordered beers and food delivered directly to me.

for free

 

[KellySyracuse]

I'm sure people realize that NBT Bank Stadium is only 1.9 miles away from the amphitheater at the Inner Harbor, right? 5 minute drive between the two venues.

Just want to point that out

 

[PhatOrange]

Monster Jam
2-3 Country Acts
2-3 Rock Acts (Old Farts and New Bands)
1-2 Hip Hop Acts
1-2 UFC or WWE

If done right you can have acts for 25k and 45kseating configurations

You could also add a bunch of conventions like the ny auto show, rv, boat and outdoor shows. Those things are big business.

Inner harbor, destiny, Franklin sq, 690/81 access, large flat empty land, add the hotels and dining to go with it, public works monorail projects, take Syracuse into the new century...that location makes to much sense.

 

[All4SU]

Yes and no, there are quite a few negative nellies voicing opinions here that have nothing to do with the city, their only vested interest is the university.

I have lived here for 35 years. For the most part, Syracusans are reluctant to embrace change, oppose anything that sounds different, and will sabotage efforts by people who want progress.

 

[shandeezy7]

I haven't posted on this topic yet because I think I am clearly in the minority regarding my opinion.

Is anyone else struggling with the idea of dropping seating capacity from 50k to 40k? This tells me that administrators feel the interest in the football program has declined since 1978. This to me is the real problem.

Look I get that we've struggled to average 40k and that the dome is unsightly when it is half empty. But I think it sends the wrong message to the fanbase and the ACC when you downsize your NEW stadium. Aren't most new arenas trending upwards in seating capacity?

A 50k seat stadium is perfect for this program. With some continued success and an actual marketing campaign, they will see attendance rise. Not to mention that a 50k stadium gives the University greater revenue opportunity versus a 40k arena. Have a little faith in your program that if you build it properly and support it (IPF, marketing, etc) sufficiently that you will see the returns in the form of ticket sales and revenue.

Attendance is down across the board at most schools. It's more a sign of the times vs. a problem with just Syracuse. People have many more options these days and the game watching experience on TV has improved dramatically even over the last 10 years.

 

[Full_Rebar]

A lot of great ideas for using the venue are being tossed around, but people seem to forget that one of the reasons that the Dome doesn't host these events now, is because it can't fit them into the schedule around the SU events. I don't see how one venue could practically be shared by SU football/hoops/lacrosse, the Crunch, SilverKnights, and concerts/events. I would think we'd have to be looking at doing something like other areas where a football stadium and arena share the same complex and parking, which would make the Inner Harbor an even more appealing area.

I think SU and Gross would love to get a new hoops facility like Louisville built, that was capped at 22k with more suites, preferred seating to generate more revenue. This year's hoops season ticket sales probably made some SU folks drool with the possibility of increasing ticket prices due to the demand.

 

[RF2044]

I think SU and Gross would love to get a new hoops facility like Louisville built, that was capped at 22k with more suites, preferred seating to generate more revenue. This year's hoops season ticket sales probably made some SU folks drool with the possibility of increasing ticket prices due to the demand.

Honest question here: is there sufficient demand in Syracuse to sell more preferential seating, luxury boxes, suites, etc.?

I get that this is one of the main reasons for most stadium upgrades--to get more preferred, higher price seating. But is that really something that CNY could support? I'm not trying to put down the city--I'm just asking the question.

PS--for the record, I hate the thought of a 22K basketball only facility. That would be so non-distinctive, after decades of enjoying a unique venue.

 

[Full_Rebar]

I think the success of the courtside seats shows that there could be a market for more preferred seating. Especially if you factor in a higher number of "better" seats (especially if students are kept behind the baskets). Not sure about the suites, so I'd defer to others on that one.

 

[KellySyracuse]

I have lived here for 35 years. For the most part, Syracusans are reluctant to embrace change, oppose anything that sounds different, and will sabotage efforts by people who want progress.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I think that by nature most people are unwilling to embrace change as evidenced by the comments in this thread. I too am a resident of Syracuse, 50 years now and have seen the sabotage first hand. Most recently with the Route 81 debate, but that's a whole other story.

 

[Stern]

Honest question here: is there sufficient demand in Syracuse to sell more preferential seating, luxury boxes, suites, etc.?

I get that this is one of the main reasons for most stadium upgrades--to get more preferred, higher price seating. But is that really something that CNY could support? I'm not trying to put down the city--I'm just asking the question.

PS--for the record, I hate the thought of a 22K basketball only facility.

-YES, probably a demand for more Luxury boxes and suites
- I agree a 22K basketball only arena is not ideal for this program. SU's charm is it plays its basketball games in a football stadium. Yes it can be the butt of the joke at times but the fact they can draw 30,000+ at least once a year and sometimes more is what gives the hoops program its charm.

 

[Stern]

I have lived here for 35 years. For the most part, Syracusans are reluctant to embrace change, oppose anything that sounds different, and will sabotage efforts by people who want progress.

I think its more political rather than people just being negative and not liking change. Vast majority of people don't trust government. And when they hear "higher taxes" they zone out before hearing the rest of what the higher taxes are being used for and just start in with the "NO NO NO NO."

I mean who wants to pay high taxes? Nobody. But if I know what they money is going to be used for (in this case a new sports arena for SU which I will go to a lot) it doesn't bother me as much. What bothers me is when my taxes go up and I have no idea why and where the hell the money is really going. At least if it goes up for something like this I will get something in return for it. Cause lets be honest taxes go up anyways, might as well get something in return you might enjoy for your money

 

[Cadillac]

It's not a bad walk down the hill but it would sure suck ass going back to campus on a winter night. You'd need some sort of people mover.

Maybe one from the mall too or other satellite locations. Downtown stadiums surrounded by parking lots are fun for four/five days a year but otherwise dead zones.

The days of Heavy Metal Parking Lot are long over (but PRIEST STILL RULES).

 

[Toga]

I have lived here for 35 years. For the most part, Syracusans are reluctant to embrace change, oppose anything that sounds different, and will sabotage efforts by people who want progress.

That's the spirit.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

If you were born 200 years ago I'll bet you would have said the Erie Canal will never work.

The parallels between developing a logistical means of trafficking goods across the greatest industrial state in the union and building a place to watch football, basketball and motocross (when a perfectly acceptable and fully financed alternative already exist) are so staggering i can't believe i would speak out against such a project.

There has to be a reason the War Memorial is 100 years old, right?

Look (despite what some think), i'd love Syracuse, Rochester, Buffalo and even Albany to all achieve a great renaissance. I truly enjoyed my time in Syracuse and think the area has a lot to offer. All were once great cities and they deserve an honest shot to reclaim some of the old glory. I'd love SU to play in a state-of-the-art stadium, but its my opinion that this project will not come to fruition in the next 20 years. Sorry if that offends some.

I do agree with the poster that said if Cuomo wants it done, it will get done. Maybe CNY will have to rely upon a charge from those regional economics councils. I just dont see Cuomo having an interest in this type of project. He is not a fan of Miner (and vice versa). DeFrancisco sits across the able. I think Cuomo doesn't have much interest in anything nouth of Westchester/Rockland counties (except Nano technology which was really a Pataki/Bruno idea to begin with).