Anyone hear this new stadium rumor

[Crusty]

I still don't like the thought of going down in capacity unless of course the place looks like the Taj Majal. I do unfortunately see higher season ticket prices in our future if this happens.

Season ticket prices are very reasonable so it they go up they will still be a bargain, especially if there are real seats!

 

[orangeinjersey]

The dome is aging and in today's world of stadia, its antiquated. By the time the stars align and another such off comes around both of us could be pushing up daisies. So yeah, the university's leverage in the case, is two steps above Nil.

Why does everyone keep saying this?? The dome is NOT OLD AT ALL. Not counting the two NFL stadiums, we are in by far the newest stadium.

ACC Stadium Openings...

Pitt, Heinz Field - 2001
Miami, Sun Life - 1987
Syracuse, Carrier Dome - 1980
Wake, BBT - 1968
NC State, Carter Finley - 1968
VaTech, Lane Stadium - 1965
BC, Alumni Stadium - 1957
Maryland, Byrd - 1950
FSU, Doake Campbell - 1950
Clemson, Memorial Stadium - 1942
Duke, Wallace Wade - 1929
UNC, Kenan Memorial - 1927
Georgia Tech, Bobby Dodd - 1913
UVA, Scott Stadium -1931

The DOme Sucks becuase it is too big for our fanbase and the sea of aluminum is AWFUL. The gray from the concrete is AWFUL. And the Lighting is terrible. If you simply changed the aluminum seats to Navy Blue or Orange ACTUAL SEATS, it would drastically improve the dome.

You want new Luxo suites, the gut the existing ones and start over. We have a unique venue for basketball. Playing in front of 34k is a big recruiting pitch. Lose that by moving to a new 20k basketball/hockey rink will impact us.

The dome just needs some sprucing up.

 

[310Pigpen]

We could have a Supercross race at the new stadium! That would pack the place quicker than you can say monster truck.

 

[All4SU]

I would put the over/under at 10 years. The university can get far more value out of that land, right in the middle of the campus footprint. That's the part you're missing.

This is not just a "sports fan" / athletic department decision. The university would prefer to keep the academic portion of the campus contiguous, and they could put some great facilities in that footprint.

From the government perspective, this is a construction jobs boost to the local economy and is a good use of tax dollars, compared to a lot of other programs. It would certainly enhance the experience for everyone. The cost of the Houston stadium is very encouraging.

And from a fan's perspective, as unique as the Dome is, it could be a much better experience. Imagine how many people we might draw to games if you could actually park and comfortably get to the venue. As our fan base ages, this is not insignificant. We could draw an extra 5,000 easy if it were simply easier to get to football games, and the experience was first rate, with good seating, quality food and drink, wide concourses, luxury boxes, better bathroom facilities.

I think the right size is 45,000 for football (which is about what the seating would be in the current Dome if it were simply seats instead of benches). Have to have 27-30,000 for basketball. One person above posted about movable seating (better than our current bleacher set up, but similar - but with a press box and better camera support facilities, at the top, etc.), so we could create a more intimate basketball experience when we have the really big crowds.

I like this post, but I'm curious to know what location could be chosen that would A) be easier access to the common folk, AND, B) be equally accessible to students who currently can simply just walk across campus.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I agree with pretty much everything you said, when I said events I was talking about the taste of Syracuse type of stuff and festivals like that. My point about Darryl laughing was if someone called him Monday about using the Dome this summer for something like that, I think we both agree it will be a cold day in hell before SU would let the dome be used for that.

I agree that Syracuse would be insane to turn down state money for a new stadium, as I stated before if its offered you take it and run theres no reason to even think about it. Like you said who knows if this would ever come up again in our lifetimes so Syracuse would be crazy to turn it down over some concessions. My only point is that I fully expect Syracuse to request a large say in what events take place in the stadium and that they would have similar control like they do now over the dome but with the caveat that they dont have full control like they do now and would need to allow some things that currently Syracuse would never touch. All in all I think were pretty much on the same page I just think Syracuse has a little more leverage then it would appear.

My understanding is that the Dome is( at least was) run wholly separate from the AD.

 

[All4SU]

I'll leave the University's growth stuff to people that know more than me. OttoMets seems really plugged in and he has low expectations. In the past 10 years, Newhouse has grown, Whitman has a new home, the College of Law will soon have a new home, the school Faulk spent millions on will have a new home, new housing was built, and several athletic facilities, including the Dome were upgraded. I'm not sure there is a need (or even ability) for the University to continue proliferating the way you suggest. Interest rates are rising and the cost of education is spiraling. Somethings got to give. Couple that with SUNY Upstate being a dumpster fire...

As Jeremy noted, NY, Onondaga and Syracuse are all broke (and hemorrhaging population). Destiny USA was a scam. Attendance at the State Fair is down. Apathy abounds about the Chiefs and Crunch (and maybe even SU football). Syracuse is not a destination. This is not a "build it and they will come" situation. Cuomo couldnt find Syracuse on a map, and he wouldnt care if he could. Read about ALbany's convention center debacle for some insight into public sector projects upstate, and that's in the State's Capital. I really like Syracuse and enjoyed my time there, but it is a non-starter in the Capital Region.

I'm sorry, but i feel very strongly this will never happen. You guys are talking about more than just brick and mortar. Retractable roof; light rail; relocating infrastructure and business; continued cleanup of inner harbor; TM mentioned a rack railway for Pete's Sake.

Thank goodness the Dome is perfectly suitable for everything SU needs.

the only thing i could see that could maybe reverse the trend is if fracking is approved. Injection of young labor, new corporations with gobs of money, jobs, economical development, etc. But i think that ship has sailed as well.

If you were born 200 years ago I'll bet you would have said the Erie Canal will never work.

 

[Chris02M]

I still don't like the thought of going down in capacity unless of course the place looks like the Taj Majal. I do unfortunately see higher season ticket prices in our future if this happens.

it depends if you look at current capacity if adjusted to seats instaid of benches would be ~45k so right at 44,444 seats would be perfect

 

[TexanMark]

I was referring to NY as a whole certainly not just upstate but I agree with your statement. I am certainly not against a new stadium but I think some people are so in love with the idea that there hoping for things that just dont seem realistic. Im sure the construction of the facility would be a huge boom to the local economy but that's only in the short term and really if your not in construction or a own a local business affected by the influx of workers ie restaurant, hotel etc how much is it really going to affect the average joe? Second once the facility is completed your going to need a few dozen people at best to run the place on a daily basis. Those hundreds of workers would only be needed when a team was playing and an even taking place, which might be what 45 -50 times a year?

If you place it at the Inner Harbor (along with Destiny) it would help to spin off new hotels and restaurants and businesses to support those new businesses. The most synergy to me at first blush is Inner Harbor.

 

[All4SU]

Syracuse has loads of potential. The biggest thing that is holding Syracuse back is Syracusans.

 

[Chip]

Given the amount of information that's known, which is very little, the opinions in this thread are completely off the charts.

It really takes the air out of the potential news, but I guess I shouldn't be all that surprised.

 

[All4SU]

Put the new Dome right over the rebuilt I81...We can have the first Drive-through football game experience.

 

[Toga]

Put the new Dome right over the rebuilt I81...We can have the first Drive-through football game experience.

We have our naming rights sponsor - In and Out Burger.

 

[anomander]

If you place it at the Inner Harbor (along with Destiny) it would help to spin off new hotels and restaurants and businesses to support those new businesses. The most synergy to me at first blush is Inner Harbor.

I was at Destiny last night around 9pm and the place was absolutely swarmed.

The city missed the boat big time the first time around, i'm hoping we get a 2nd chance to get bailed out .

 

[CuseOnly]

You don't get out much as there is not several hundreds of thousand soft of abandoned space. All remaining building are in use as either office or laboratories.

There's 1400 engineers, finance, and marketing people.

Yes you are correct, the Manufacturing plants are all gone and 7000 employees are now down to 1400 engineers on an 82 acre campus, great job Carrier, they should be commended as India benefits from the manufacturing. I don't go over to Carrier Circle anymore because there isn't much there. Most of the buildings are knocked down in favor of a green walking area, this is great for our local economy. Doesn't change the fact that their presence here is very small compared to what it used to be. UTC does not even show up in the top 10 employers in Onondaga County much less Upstate NY, as of 2012 they were # 12.

No, really, I think it's great that they design stuff here to be built overseas, 1400 jobs here, 8000 over there.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2012/05/dewitt_campus_has_been_transfo.html

 

[Consigliere]

You don't get too many opportunities to build a new stadium. However, IMO if this opportunity doesn't address the shortcomings of the existing facility I struggle to rationally support. The Dome is aging but still structurally sound and the cosmetic improvements the last few years have helped it age at least somewhat gracefully.

Negatives:

Location not conducive to tailgating.

Early season football can be stifling.

Sightlines for hoops not optimal for non-preferred seats.

Footprint limits growth in total size and layout.

Other items like bench seating and narrow concourses aren't showstoppers in my mind and some fould be addressed in the current facility.

The proposed concept addresses very few of these shortcomings. Retractable roof a big plus, but limits expansion potential. While 40k may be sufficient today I would hope that the program outgrows that in short order. In fact the "butts in seats" count may suffer if season ticket holders stay home and there are 10k fewer "food stamp" seats.

Location is much worse than currently though it does give the University valuable real estate taken up by parking lots west of the Dome.

I'm as excited as anyone by these discussions. Just hate to see SU settle for something new but less than optimal and not have another opportunity for another 35 years.

Though maybe I'll be less strident then when I'm 92.

 

[Bayside44]

Monster Jam
2-3 Country Acts
2-3 Rock Acts (Old Farts and New Bands)
1-2 Hip Hop Acts

If done right you can have acts for 25k and 45kseating configurations

Doesn't exist on a year in an out basis at those #s in stadium venues. I can think of 2 stadium shows in DC last year (McCartney and Kenny Chesney). Tack on one to two more tops...not that concerts at the top of the list here.

 

[CuseOnly]

My understanding is that the Dome is( at least was) run wholly separate from the AD.

Correct, technically the sports programs/teams are already renters of the facility.

 

[Millhouse]

Zach Brown Band was pretty cool last Summer

Way ot but they do an amazing cover of night they drove old Dixie down on YouTube

 

[KaiserUEO]

Monster Jam
2-3 Country Acts
2-3 Rock Acts (Old Farts and New Bands)
1-2 Hip Hop Acts
1-2 UFC or WWE

If done right you can have acts for 25k and 45kseating configurations

Giants Stadium gets about 3 or 4 acts a year...and 20 million or so people live within an hour.

Stadium shows are basically dead.

And the bands that can fill them...will be dead soon too.

And it's not like say, Kenny Chesney, tours every year.

Arena shows are better for the economy too. If they warrant it, 2 or 3 nights of 20k is what cny needs, not 1 of 40.

 

[OburgOrange]

Giants Stadium gets about 3 or 4 acts a year...and 20 million or so people live within an hour.

Stadium shows are basically dead.

And the bands that can fill them...will be dead soon too.

And it's not like say, Kenny Chesney, tours every year.

Arena shows are better for the economy too. If they warrant it, 2 or 3 nights of 20k is what cny needs, not 1 of 40.

Aren't the Stones ready to tour again?

 

[cusefan88]

My understanding is that the Dome is( at least was) run wholly separate from the AD.

This is pretty much true. I believe they only combine budget stuff/numbers at the end of the year.

 

[Cramz]

Beyoncé, Jay Z, Springsteen, One Direction, U2, Macklemore, Arcade Fire and then throw in some hot country acts and you've got a good stadium lineup

 

[NKR1978]

Of course I am in this board's minority but I like the fact that when I go to the dome I am also returning to my old campus. Does it need more upgrading yes.

Does anything beat that walk from M Street through campus? Syracuse fans have made that walk for every home football game since 1907. More than a century of legends have played in that same piece of land on campus.

I hate this idea. I hate the notion of just throwing away 100+ years of history.

 

[Nick44]

I haven't posted on this topic yet because I think I am clearly in the minority regarding my opinion.

Is anyone else struggling with the idea of dropping seating capacity from 50k to 40k? This tells me that administrators feel the interest in the football program has declined since 1978. This to me is the real problem.

Look I get that we've struggled to average 40k and that the dome is unsightly when it is half empty. But I think it sends the wrong message to the fanbase and the ACC when you downsize your NEW stadium. Aren't most new arenas trending upwards in seating capacity?

A 50k seat stadium is perfect for this program. With some continued success and an actual marketing campaign, they will see attendance rise. Not to mention that a 50k stadium gives the University greater revenue opportunity versus a 40k arena. Have a little faith in your program that if you build it properly and support it (IPF, marketing, etc) sufficiently that you will see the returns in the form of ticket sales and revenue.

 

[orange79]

Aren't the Stones ready to tour again?

No, but hopefully Bruce is.