Are we really this bad?

[TheCusian]

This is a crazy stat it was clear that Moore had the hot hand at RB in this game and he was used sparingly ... not that they really handed the ball off to Phillips mcfarlane or morris much to find out. PTG had a few good runs and some really bad ones. Moore when handed the ball was running through two guys to be brought down by the 3rd and 4th. Straight ahead runnning would have tired out the nc D and opened up our passes more. No he wouldn't necessarily broken one for 50yds but he had 2-3 yards after contact every time. Also Phillips was in for probably 50% of the plays and it felt like he didn't get much run.

Couldn't run block with that line. Best O was letting AJ scramble and throw.

Oline injuries lost us that game, 100%.

 

[alphaorange]

I'm trying to think of guys who have improved throughout their time here? Nobody really stands out. Our player development sucks.

The Jones brothers...Macky...Pugh...Bromley...Nassib. Take the gun out of your mouth. Or give it to Crusty, first.

 

[Chris02M]

Agree. SU beat Nova, C.Mich, and Wake...and we were LUCKY to beat Nova. (their kicker choked and easy one)

These last 3 games could be real ugly.

you need to stop saying we were lucky to beat nova as they were just as lucky our starting qb and leader was a moron punching a guy

 

[CuseOnly]

I disagree with your assertion that we have a lot of individual talent. Where exactly? At what position do we have superior talent vs. our ACC competition? I can think of only one, with Hickey. Every year this board gets excited about our "under the radar" talent that our brilliant coaching staff uncovers before anybody else. At best, our recruiting has gotten slightly better since the Big East, but we're in a way better conference now and it shows. Next man up/I trust the coaches.

That's where I disagree with you. I think the coaches are very good if not great recruiters. But I think that they all (except Shafer and Daoust) suffer from Cool Kid McDonald syndrome, good recruiter...not such a good coach. There were very few "under the radar" guys, all were 3 stars according to ESPN and 2 were 4 stars.

I think that this team talent wise is above any team we have had in the past decade. I just think the assistants and game plan from the coordinators don't put them in position to win. Injuries are just exacerbating the problem.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

When we look back on the season it will be:

- a really tough schedule vs some of the best D's in the nation with
- no bye week for 8 games,
- starting a freshman in the middle of the season,
- while changing OC's and
- being historically beat up and injured

You can see them as excuses - but if well timed bye weeks, experienced QB's, and staying healthy are things teams point to as reasons for success - we can see the reverse as true here.

And even with all that we had the chance to take control of this game, and we punted it away.

 

[Statesman1]

That's where I disagree with you. I think the coaches are very good if not great recruiters. But I think that they all (except Shafer and Daoust) suffer from Cool Kid McDonald syndrome, good recruiter...not such a good coach. There were very few "under the radar" guys, all were 3 stars according to ESPN and 2 were 4 stars.

I think that this team talent wise is above any team we have had in the past decade. I just think the assistants and game plan from the coordinators don't put them in position to win. Injuries are just exacerbating the problem.

Really? Talent-wise we don't stack up to the ACC, who cares how many stars ESPN handed out in high school? (besides you). As for the staff being "great recruiters", the next prized recruit they pry away from a top program will be their first.

 

[Millhouse]

And even with all that we had the chance to take control of this game, and we punted it away.

You can't risk giving them a long field when you give them a tiny bit longer field

 

[SWC75]

Excuses, merely excuses. I am talking more about the actual team discipline and how the games are being played especially by the offense. I am not seeing the development you appear to be, in fact I am seeing the opposite.
Again I hope you are correct and I am not, but just not seeing it that way. I can not see winning another game much less being bowl eligible.

Excuses? You don't think those things have had a profound impact on our season?

 

[CuseOnly]

Really? Talent-wise we don't stack up to the ACC, who cares how many stars ESPN handed out in high school? (besides you). As for the staff being "great recruiters", the next prized recruit they pry away from a top program will be their first.

I could care less for talent evaluating star systems but for arguments sake it is the only thing we have to compare classes to other schools. If you have a better way to compare 2 schools classes or more I'd like to hear it. You should also do some research on what programs we beat out for some of these kids. There are plenty of P5 teams we beat out, we just don't beat them for our in state talent and in those cases we are going head-up with ND and Ped St. Unfortunatel we won't see them all on the field for another year or so.

It's pretty well documented on this board how I hate the system...just ask Bees. So you should do a little background on me before you make a statement like that.

Is is your opinion that we don't stack up against the ACC in talent or are you just looking at wins and losses? Because that doesn't tell the whole story I'm afraid.

Did our talent drop off a cliff after we finished 3rd in our division behind Clemson and FSU last year? The answer is no, it has gotten better. Our coaching staff is not putting them in position to win.

 

[Statesman1]

I could care less for talent evaluating star systems but for arguments sake it is the only thing we have to compare classes to other schools. If you have a better way to compare 2 schools classes or more I'd like to hear it. You should also do some research on what programs we beat out for some of these kids. There are plenty of P5 teams we beat out, we just don't beat them for our in state talent and in those cases we are going head-up with ND and Ped St. Unfortunatel we won't see them all on the field for another year or so.

It's pretty well documented on this board how I hate the system...just ask Bees. So you should do a little background on me before you make a statement like that.

Is is your opinion that we don't stack up against the ACC in talent or are you just looking at wins and losses? Because that doesn't tell the whole story I'm afraid.

Did our talent drop off a cliff after we finished 3rd in our division behind Clemson and FSU last year? The answer is no, it has gotten better. Our coaching staff is not putting them in position to win.

I can't imagine a worse use of time than doing background research on you or asking Bees, when I can read what you wrote above. You stated the staff were good to great recruiters- and cited all the three star talent they brought in. Really? Three star talent is what we should aspire to now? We're in a P5 conference now we should be beating out other P5 schools for recruits, the question is which ones. I'll consider our staff "great" recruiters when we beat out FSU, Clemson, VT, ND, PSU and their like for a player. You apparently consider them so every time we get one past Pitt. I'm looking at the product on the field. Let me ask you- do you see any speed at all on our side of the field? I mean really anywhere do you see any? Does anyone scare you if you are an opposing coach? The answer is not really, if we're being honest on both sides of the ball.

 

[AZOrange]

you need to stop saying we were lucky to beat nova as they were just as lucky our starting qb and leader was a moron punching a guy

Does it really matter anymore though? I mean do we still need nova to tell the fans were bad?

 

[AZOrange]

And even with all that we had the chance to take control of this game, and we punted it away.

Shafer is in way over his head. The whole staff needs to be gutted. The meathead nonsense is cute and endearing when you go 10-2, but not when you struggle to 3 wins. It just shows you don't know what you're doing.

 

[CousCuse]

Shafer is in way over his head. The whole staff needs to be gutted. The meathead nonsense is cute and endearing when you go 10-2, but not when you struggle to 3 wins. It just shows you don't know what you're doing.

Are you going to give the next staff a year and a half before you want another new staff ?

 

[Crusty]

Shafer is in way over his head. The whole staff needs to be gutted. The meathead nonsense is cute and endearing when you go 10-2, but not when you struggle to 3 wins. It just shows you don't know what you're doing.

That is unreasonable. With all the injuries any staff would look lost. Last year NCS and Maryland had big injury problems and they looked inept.

 

[AZOrange]

That is unreasonable. With all the injuries any staff would look lost. Last year NCS and Maryland had big injury problems and they looked inept.

I understand why fans go to injuries and scheduling when things go poorly. It's hard to admit there are bigger problems. Injuries and scheduling are a big part of that. Your coaches are a bigger part of it. I mean they seem to struggle with how to pick a quarterback, etc.

 

[AZOrange]

Are you going to give the next staff a year and a half before you want another new staff ?

2 years is enough time to know something is missing. Even with marrone there was hope. There's no reason why Robinson/shafer deserve more time. They're good coaches but bad head coaches. There's nothing wrong with that.

 

[Finwad32]

Shafer and Lester didn't throw an 87 yard pick 6 that ultimately cost us the game. I see a lot of good in AJ but he's going to make those kind of mistakes while he's learning. If he holds that ball for .2 seconds longer it's a probable completion. We at least get 3 there and keep NC State from getting 7. Are we having this conversation if we win 20-16?

The talent is fine and so is the coaching from a Coordinator standpoint. As far as position coaches I'm not sure. Lot of youth on the field in the wake of numerous injuries.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Are you going to give the next staff a year and a half before you want another new staff ?

I'm no yet ready to say we put a fork in this group, but coaches talk about mistake free football with their players.

We need mistake free coaching. We're not getting it. It is a fair cause for concern.

 

[AZOrange]

I'm no yet ready to say we put a fork in this group, but coaches talk about mistake free football with their players.

We need mistake free coaching. We're not getting it. It is a fair cause for concern.

My biggest concern is that we don't even seem to get the right guys on the field. So it makes me question their ability to judge talent at all and esp in recruiting. The punt inside the 40 is just a symptom of bigger problems.

 

[anomander]

The Jones brothers...Macky...Pugh...Bromley...Nassib. Take the gun out of your mouth. Or give it to Crusty, first.

ya that's great and all, but most of those were under a whole other coaching staff. how about you give it another try now?

 

[Chris02M]

its not just us who punt from inside the 40 most teams do that on 4th down

 

[Crusty]

The Jones brothers...Macky...Pugh...Bromley...Nassib. Take the gun out of your mouth. Or give it to Crusty, first.

Those guys were mostly cached up by the previous staff. But gimme the gun anyway.

 

[CousCuse]

2 years is enough time to know something is missing. Even with marrone there was hope. There's no reason why Robinson/shafer deserve more time. They're good coaches but bad head coaches. There's nothing wrong with that.

I sincerely doubt another coach would think Scott was treated fairly if he were to be released at the end of this season. His team hasn't quit and for the want of a few plays and a few less injuries they would be having a decent season. So , I can't imagine another coach being interested in such a sketchy situation.

 

[AZOrange]

I sincerely doubt another coach would think Scott was treated fairly if he were to be released at the end of this season. His team hasn't quit and for the want of a few plays and a few less injuries they would be having a decent season. So , I can't imagine another coach being interested in such a sketchy situation.

We've got that's problem though already. What does 1 more year mean to a prospect?

 

[CousCuse]

We've got that's problem though already. What does 1 more year mean to a prospect?

If you feel like someone in your profession wasn't treated fairly by a company , would you want that job? Or would you think that is not a good company to try to work with ? I have got to believe if you asked 10 respected coaches , who reviewed the situation , they would all say to give him more time.