BB: It has to be said

[4evaOrange]

NOBODY will redshirt.

This isn’t football.
They’ve all played in games that count, so, barring major injury, their chance for a non-medical redshirt was gone the second they checked into a game.

Is there a game limit like in football?

 

[DoctorBombay]

He is an 18-year-old freshman. He played lots of minutes in the early games because of all the backcourt injuries. It was never expected he would play much this year.

He was offered by Gonzaga (that team that beat Duke tonight) and was being recruited by other serious programs (including Duke). JB was not recruiting him to come here because he did not want to put that kind of pressure on him ... but the assistant coaches loved his game ... and convinced JB to offer him. And Buddy had grown up loving SU basketball... so he wanted to come here.

Full disclosure: I know Buddy well, and I like him a lot. He is an exceptionally nice young man .. in spite of growing up in a gold fish bowl as the son of the most famous parents in Central NY. And I think you all should look at him as any other 18-year-old freshman ... and not single him out for abuse because of his parentage.

Thank you.
I’ve said it before- there’s a negatoid contingent here just lying in wait, and more than ready to make BB’s status all about the N-word...NEPOTISM.
It’s November, not even 10 games in, and the unspoken slur is there, the same way it was for Andy Rautins until he grew his game and became a very good player his last couple years.
It’s not gonna go away either, and likely to get worse before it gets better. Haters gonna hate...its what they pathetically like to do. Period.

 

[skurey]

Quit creating straw mans to try and white knight for Buddy. All anyone is saying is right now he doesn't look like he belongs. That's OK since we all knew he was the 4th guard coming into this year. Almost everyone believes he will improve with time.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Quit creating straw mans to try and white knight for Buddy. All anyone is saying is right now he doesn't look like he belongs. That's OK since we all knew he was the 4th guard coming into this year. Almost everyone believes he will improve with time.

Except the OP called him a mid major player and other posters have alluded to that in previous threads.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Quit creating straw mans to try and white knight for Buddy. All anyone is saying is right now he doesn't look like he belongs. That's OK since we all knew he was the 4th guard coming into this year. Almost everyone believes he will improve with time.

It’s not a straw man when there are threads created after the 2nd EXHIBITION game, that question the amount of run BB was getting.
If you don’t think that there’s a legit negatoid perspective by some folks here, then you’re not paying attention.

 

[DaCuse]

Quit creating straw mans to try and white knight for Buddy. All anyone is saying is right now he doesn't look like he belongs. That's OK since we all knew he was the 4th guard coming into this year. Almost everyone believes he will improve with time.

The problem is that he is getting more than 4th guard playing time.

 

[DoctorBombay]

The problem is that he is getting more than 4th guard playing time.

No, the real problem is when folks don’t bother to mention injuries and other factors, when discussing his playing time.
If BB is still playing like this, AND getting the same amount of time 10 games in with the team still struggling, then yes, by all means- questions will be warranted. But not now...not yet. JMHO

 

[SWC75]

The problem is that he is getting more than 4th guard playing time.

The issue is: should Boeheim be the 4th guard or should Washington be the 4th guard. Who gives us the most in that role right now. unfortunately, these early season games matter. maybe the 4th guard doesn't matter but if we need one, who should it be?

 

[PoppyHart]

No, the real problem is when folks don’t bother to mention injuries and other factors, when discussing his playing time.
If BB is still playing like this, AND getting the same amount of time 10 games in with the team still struggling, then yes, by all means- questions will be warranted. But not now...not yet. JMHO

There were 4 active guards last night. As JB likes to say regarding an injured player, "when he's ready, he'll play". Howard played 19 minutes, and certainly would have played 25-30 if the game was in doubt. In reality, the game was only 37 minutes long, as the walk-ons came in rather early.

Jalen Carey, arguably our best player in NYC last week, played 18 minutes last night vs. 14 minutes for BB. That seems odd. My biggest beef is the 8 minutes of extended run that BB got in the first half, from roughly the 11 minute mark to the 3 minute mark. This was obviously a contested game at that time, with the score within 1-2 possessions for nearly the entire first half.

Subbing out an AA like Battle for Buddy for 8 minutes straight would be the equivalent of putting in freshman Cooney for senior Triche for an extended period in a contested game. And that year we only had 3 guards total.

No one is saying he won't contribute at some point, and he has every opportunity to develop into another Rautins, for example, if he puts in the effort and the cards all fall in place.

The fact that he's 18 doesn't mean anything, nor does the fact that Gonzaga offered him. Heck, Okie State wanted Braswell. He's our 4th forward. Why is there not space for him to show what he can do? Buddy may very well have a couple moments this year where he gets hot, but I think he needs to prove himself under lower profile situations first.

 

[DoctorBombay]

The issue is: should Boeheim be the 4th guard or should Washington be the 4th guard. Who gives us the most in that role right now. unfortunately, these early season games matter. maybe the 4th guard doesn't matter but if we need one, who should it be?

And now that FH, JC, and HW are all back from their injuries, it’s a determination that can be fairly made.
I’ve always thought HW should get more run, but you already have JC as the backup PG, so his minutes will be limited. OTOH, if BB can find his stroke, he will be great as a sniper coming off the bench. That’s probably the role JB was hoping he’d earn in these early games.

 

[DoctorBombay]

There were 4 active guards last night. As JB likes to say regarding an injured player, "when he's ready, he'll play". Howard played 19 minutes, and certainly would have played 25-30 if the game was in doubt. In reality, the game was only 37 minutes long, as the walk-ons came in rather early.

Jalen Carey, arguably our best player in NYC last week, played 18 minutes last night vs. 14 minutes for BB. That seems odd. My biggest beef is the 8 minutes of extended run that BB got in the first half, from roughly the 11 minute mark to the 3 minute mark. This was obviously a contested game at that time, with the score within 1-2 possessions for nearly the entire first half.

Subbing out an AA like Battle for Buddy for 8 minutes straight would be the equivalent of putting in freshman Cooney for senior Triche for an extended period in a contested game. And that year we only had 3 guards total.

No one is saying he won't contribute at some point, and he has every opportunity to develop into another Rautins, for example, if he puts in the effort and the cards all fall in place.

The fact that he's 18 doesn't mean anything, nor does the fact that Gonzaga offered him. Heck, Okie State wanted Braswell. He's our 4th forward. Why is there not space for him to show what he can do? Buddy may very well have a couple moments this year where he gets hot, but I think he needs to prove himself under lower profile situations first.

All due respect, but i think the opponent might’ve had something to do with that extended 8 minute run by BB.
Yes, the game was close but it was still in the 1st half, and it was still versus Colgate.
If he’s getting those minutes in ACC play, then there’s a legit beef. All I’m saying is that it’s still too early yet.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

The issue is: should Boeheim be the 4th guard or should Washington be the 4th guard. Who gives us the most in that role right now. unfortunately, these early season games matter. maybe the 4th guard doesn't matter but if we need one, who should it be?

Buddy. We need a 3 point specialist more than a 3rd string PG. Hes big and athletic I think he'll be great as a JR and SR. My gut feeling is all he needs is one hot shooting game and he'll be fine. I don't think there is a player on the roster that I'd encourage to take more threes if I was JB I'd tell everyone else to take less hence the glaring need for a 3 and D guy.

Washington isn't 100% and probably won't be until next year. But he was clearly 2 years away last fall before the injury. Fully healthy I'd entertain the idea of letting him play through it and get experience but for now spot minutes/garbage time are probably best.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I agree that Buddy has been a huge disappointment so far. I doubt he will see much playing time when Howard gets back into shape. I was hoping he'd be an instant offense type of guy, coming off the bench and hitting 3s like layups. Maybe he's pressing. Or maybe he just isn't that good.

Buddy is a good player. He'll make a difference. You'll see.

 

[CousCuse]

There were 4 active guards last night. As JB likes to say regarding an injured player, "when he's ready, he'll play". Howard played 19 minutes, and certainly would have played 25-30 if the game was in doubt. In reality, the game was only 37 minutes long, as the walk-ons came in rather early.

Jalen Carey, arguably our best player in NYC last week, played 18 minutes last night vs. 14 minutes for BB. That seems odd. My biggest beef is the 8 minutes of extended run that BB got in the first half, from roughly the 11 minute mark to the 3 minute mark. This was obviously a contested game at that time, with the score within 1-2 possessions for nearly the entire first half.

Subbing out an AA like Battle for Buddy for 8 minutes straight would be the equivalent of putting in freshman Cooney for senior Triche for an extended period in a contested game. And that year we only had 3 guards total.

No one is saying he won't contribute at some point, and he has every opportunity to develop into another Rautins, for example, if he puts in the effort and the cards all fall in place.

The fact that he's 18 doesn't mean anything, nor does the fact that Gonzaga offered him. Heck, Okie State wanted Braswell. He's our 4th forward. Why is there not space for him to show what he can do? Buddy may very well have a couple moments this year where he gets hot, but I think he needs to prove himself under lower profile situations first.

Braswell is not going to do anything better than the other forwards, at this point. If BB gets his stroke going, he will shoot the 3 better than the other guards. He has been graded out as a better 3 point shooter.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Not reading this whole thread but I hope you got called out for such a ridiculous statement.

It’s not ridiculous at all. Buddy outplayed him in the EYBL when they were both on the City Rocks.

 

[HakAttack]

It’s not ridiculous at all. Buddy outplayed him in the EYBL when they were both on the City Rocks.

Yeah, we'll see when Girard comes next year and is an immediate contributor. BB, not so much.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Yeah, we'll see when Girard comes next year and is an immediate contributor. BB, not so much.

I’d bet you on that you’re wrong. You might want to do some research here to see who played better against elite competition. I don’t expect Girard to come in here guns ablazing next year either and Buddy will have been in the system for a year.

 

[NineOneSeven]

I’d bet you on that you’re wrong. You might want to do som research here to see who played better against elite competition. I don’t expect Girard to come in here guns ablazing next year either and Buddy will have been in the system for a year.

Sounds like we’ve got... SIDE BETS BABY

 

[Cusefan0307]

Sounds like we’ve got... SIDE BETS BABY

The Girard hype by some people here is ridiculous. He’s not even the best guard we are bringing in next year.

 

[HakAttack]

I’d bet you on that you’re wrong. You might want to do some research here to see who played better against elite competition. I don’t expect Girard to come in here guns ablazing next year either and Buddy will have been in the system for a year.

We're not going to see much from Buddy next year either. I think he'll be a key player for us his junior/senior years, but he's shown me nothing this year that indicates he's going to be a major contributor next year either. The game is moving too fast for him out there.

 

[Cusefan0307]

We're not going to see much from Buddy next year either. I think he'll be a key player for us his junior/senior years, but he's shown me nothing this year that indicates he's going to be a major contributor next year either. The game is moving too fast for him out there.

I mean I can find examples all over of players not doing much their first year and being productive their sophomore year. Remember the sophomore year Syracuse leap?

The fact that Buddy has played 5 games and fans are making definitive statements is ludicrous. He rimmed two shots out in the first half Wednesday that if they go down people aren’t barking up this tree.

 

[HakAttack]

I mean I can find examples all over of players not doing much their first year and being productive their sophomore year. Remember the sophomore year Syracuse leap?

The fact that Buddy has played 5 games and fans are making definitive statements is ludicrous. He rimmed two shots out in the first half Wednesday that if they go down people aren’t barking up this tree.

I'll be the first one to say that I want the kid to succeed here, and I hope to be wrong about next year. I hope he has a great second year and beyond for the CUSE, because ultimately, that will only make the team more successful.

He just looks slow out there and IMO his ball-handling skills are not ready for this pace. I don't know if I want him to bulk up this offseason or work on his lateral quickness, or handle, or what? He's got deficiencies in those three key areas. If he can follow the improvement arc we saw from Cooney, we'll all be ecstatic.

 

[NineOneSeven]

The Girard hype by some people here is ridiculous. He’s not even the best guard we are bringing in next year.

Fine by me... just here to insist on SIDE BETS!!!

 

[orangejunkie]

Hope I am wrong but I fear next year we'll be having the same conversations about Joe Girard and his transition to big time college basketball. I expect an occasional good game from Buddy where he get's some good looks and knocks down his shots, but overall I expect him to be inconsistent. Hopefully by the end of the season he is starting to contribute in a positive way off the bench but he is clearly behind 3 other guards right now so his opportunities may be limited. Lots of teams, especially mid level teams, thrive with guys who are not great athletes but are phenomenal shooters. Look at what the Colgate shooters did against SU just this week.

 

[OrangeDW]

Hope I am wrong but I fear next year we'll be having the same conversations about Joe Girard and his transition to big time college basketball. I expect an occasional good game from Buddy where he get's some good looks and knocks down his shots, but overall I expect him to be inconsistent. Hopefully by the end of the season he is starting to contribute in a positive way off the bench but he is clearly behind 3 other guards right now so his opportunities may be limited. Lots of teams, especially mid level teams, thrive with guys who are not great athletes but are phenomenal shooters. Look at what the Colgate shooters did against SU just this week.

The Colgate shooters were 12-40 from 3 against Cuse??