Broncos and Fox part ways
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If he doesn't want to, he won't be on the market long.
Peyton Manning got Fox fired. Apparently Manning will retire if Adam Gaze leaves Denver. He doesn't want to start over with another offensive coach. So Fox goes away and Gaze is the number #1 option for SF. So Denver realizes the only way to keep Gaze is to make him HC. It will be interesting to see if Gaze goes to SF or Denver.
Fox is being pushed out by Manning.
Fox is being pushed out by Manning.
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Gase is the same one who devised that lame game plan on O, or Manning went rogue and started throwing a million fades and no slants. Blow the whole thing up as I said right after the game. Looks like it's starting. Way too many weapons on both sides of the ball to keep getting bounced in the first round or a sb blowout. Wrong make up mentally. And Elway has the say on who goes, but he must've told Fox that Manning could be back, and maybe that's why they parted ways. I'll take Kubiak, with Kyle as the OC, and LeBeau DC. That's my wish list..
Kubiak was my first thought before I heard about this Manning/Gaze/Fox stuff.
Le beau is apparently headed to Arizona I heard.
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Amazing how front office folks will let ego run off good coaches. How is that sports owners make billions in business, yet act like morons when it comes to running teams?
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Not when Elway goes out and spends what he did on FA's and is only caring about hoisting the Lombardi. Fox is a bad return on investment. 2 first game exits in playoffs and a blowout loss of epic proportions in SB. Good riddance..
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Elway loaded up for a Super run. I think he realizes the window is closed, might as well start over. That was the risk from the beginning. If you don't grasp the ring, you're looking at a few years of a rebuild. Don't think it makes much sense to count on Manning finding the Fountain of Youth at age 39 or 40. Blow it up. You need a total overhaul of the O-line, and you're up against the cap with all those free agents you brought in.
IMHO, Fox is one of those coaches who can get teams to a certain level, but not over the hump. Sorta like a Chuck Knox or Andy Reid when he's clicking. Don't think they're the guys to oversee a rebuild. Neither does Elway, and he's who counts.
IMHO, Fox is one of those coaches who can get teams to a certain level, but not over the hump. Sorta like a Chuck Knox or Andy Reid when he's clicking. Don't think they're the guys to oversee a rebuild. Neither does Elway, and he's who counts.
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Elway knows what he's doing in that front office. He's made some very good moves and built the Broncos to win it all. I'll trust him if he wants to get rid of an average coach in the playoffs
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I'm not sure about that. He rolled the dice on the Lombardi Trophy and came up short. Remains to be seen if he can rebuild on the fly.
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That was in regards to him building a team so far. He's done a great job at that to this point, according to almost anyone in those circles. I have no reason to doubt him after what he's done so far.
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If Peyton doesn't overthrow about 10 of his passes last night, Fox still has a job. It's amazing how that works.
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Well of course. We could play the IF game all night. It's sports, and the highest level and expectations with bank loads of money on the line. Broncos lost, Fox is gone as I thought he would be. In "Elway We Trust".
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Doesn't look like Manning is pulling any kind of power play on behalf of Gase. Elway has given all members of the coaching staff permission to pursue other opportunities. Elway says it will be up to the new HC to determine who, if anybody, might be brought back:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/extra-points/2015/breaking-news-john-fox-leaving-broncos
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/extra-points/2015/breaking-news-john-fox-leaving-broncos
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The niners are pushing for Gase.. I feel very comfortable right now in Elway's search, for no other reason than how connected he is. We are the premier opening now..
You have heard of a thing called the Rooney Rule. If Denver wants Gase they have to do their due diligence before they could hire Gase.
49er HC job > Bronco HC job now.
Broncos will have cap problems and they have to pay Demarius Thomas and will have to replace Julius Thomas who will get paid somewhere else.
If Manning is done the Broncos will be rebuilding for the next few years. Brock Oswelder as QB?
Broncos will have cap problems and they have to pay Demarius Thomas and will have to replace Julius Thomas who will get paid somewhere else.
If Manning is done the Broncos will be rebuilding for the next few years. Brock Oswelder as QB?
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Might want to rethink that. The niners are bottom 3 in cap space for 2015. We have a lot of pro bowlers under contract. Better front office. QB is a good question that needs some time to know for sure, Osweiler not the answer imo..
Cap space isn't the end all be all. The Denver roster is not better than the SF roster. The Broncos paid Talib, Ware, Harris Jr. Denver has to pay Demarius Thomas and Julius thomas is a FA. Only Bronco homers would say Denver is a better job than SF right now. Manning is on hole 17 or 18 of his career and his arm strength isn't going to get better at his age. Denver went all-in this year and the cap numbers for several players were low this yr and backloaded. I would think more people would want the SF job over Denver right now.
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Didn't suggest they wanted Gase. Someone in the thread had said that Manning might push hard for Gase and might only come back if Gase were named coach. Elway's emancipation of the coaching staff suggests that Gase isn't in his plans.
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You brought up cap space, and further more the Broncos are in good shape cap wise and that's with Manning returning. Without, that's 16.5 mil back to Broncos. I don't care about losing Julius, he's soft and vanishes, and I'm not talking about just this season. And of course cap space isn't end all be all, that's why I specifically included front office. Don't under estimate Elway and who he'll get to come here over another place, has proven that already..
Elway was hellbent on getting rid of Tebow. Manning won exactly one more playoff game than Tebow. Lot of hype in Denver. Short on results.
With Fox in for a new gig right away, there's gonna be one less chair available for Marrone when the music stops.
With Fox in for a new gig right away, there's gonna be one less chair available for Marrone when the music stops.
