Brycen Goodine Transferring to Providence

[IthacaMatt]

He never got an even chance. That’s the issue. He was never part of a regular rotation. Because “rotation” is Apparently a dirty word to our HC.
And playing two marginal guards was more important than developing Talent for the future. It sucks, IMO.

"Marginal" is harsh; I might say "limited". But I agree with every other word.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

we should just wait it out until we get an actual coach in there again.

Our program is just passing time until Dior gets here.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Why would Braswell leave?

He’s got a legit shot at solid minutes and maybe even starting with Eli leaving.

(and yes - he gone. Eli, that is.)


Unless Kadary can play some 3, our F rotation for next year is most likely:
Marek, Q, Bras.

It looks like Woody is rounding into a nice player, but JB will almost always prefer the elder, experienced player unless the young’un is a stellar talent.
So he probably gets the typical Frosh treatment.

He literally hasn't gotten a chance in 2 years, well, at least until his shins hurt.
How do you play guys so little? He didn't used to do this, especially when he didn't have a 4 star kid at every position.
When you have average physical talents, or players who can do one thing well, but not everything you need for the position - in those cases, you should see guys be asked to contribute what they can, and not do things they can't.

 

[tbonezone]

"it's just me and juli watching buddy grow..."

 

[IthacaMatt]

Our program is just passing time until Dior gets here.

Do you think Boeheim will be here?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

That is a fair concern to be sure.

I'm tired of it.

I wish JB would stop dicking around.

Just have 5 players on scholarship, nobody comes out, and be done with it.

I am so irrationally pissed off about this right now.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Not sure why the negatives on Buddy, he was one of the top players in coaches voting for most improved this year. The way the game is played today, 3 pt shooters are a priority. He had multiple double digit games and it is highly doubtful any guard on the bench would have produced at that level.

Do you think he hit the wall? I agree that, overall, he had a great year. But he went from shooting 41% from three through January to about 25% from three the last 6 weeks or so.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Do you think Boeheim will be here?

I sure as Hell hope so.

Because I think Dior is a package deal with Gerry.

And if Boeheim's not here, and we want to make sure we get that year with Dior and friends, connect the dots on what that means for Gerry.

FML

 

[IthacaMatt]

I guess defense all of sudden doesn't matter to JB.
As Goodine was better on defense.
Girard didn't set the world on fire to start the year. He was average but because Carey struggled average looks better. Goodine did not get the chance Girard got. That doesn't make sense as if defense matters the HC he would have given Goodine more minutes. Our defense was not good this year.

Even if it was only for a few minutes, to hedge toward a hot shooter, or a guy who was consistently getting in the lane. Just to change things up.

 

[pearl31]

wait are people rly trying to argue Goodine didn’t get a chance?

 

[Alsacs]

Our program is just passing time until Dior gets here.

I trust NKR and Cuse0307 but I still think Dior’s HS class could become eligible for the NBA draft. I want to see on campus his Fr. Year before I believe it.

If we are just waiting 2 more years. That will be almost a decade of mediocre regular season basketball.

That is crazy.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I sure as Hell hope so.

Because I think Dior is a package deal with Gerry.

And if Boeheim's not here, and we want to make sure we get that year with Dior and friends, connect the dots on what that means for Gerry.

FML

Well, all I can say is I hope we don't get played by Dior like we got played by Quade Green. Because we wound up with no one, let alone the whole crew he was supposedly bringing with him. And then he strung it out until after the signing day and played us for chumps, leaving us with no one, when we had other PGs who were interested.

So, worst case, we could wind up with Gerry as head coach, no actual national search in an August surprise retirement announcement. Red and Griffin quit after getting passed over, and then Dior turns pro, skipping college.

So there's that, too.

 

[Ghost]

Not sure why the negatives on Buddy, he was one of the top players in coaches voting for most improved this year. The way the game is played today, 3 pt shooters are a priority. He had multiple double digit games and it is highly doubtful any guard on the bench would have produced at that level.

I think in this era of having 4 or 5 guys on the court that can shoot, people have a misconception about what "position-less" basketball means. It means having guys that can do it all - play multiple positions, shoot the ball, etc...it does not mean, can shoot threes, but has no position to play.

He is an amazing specialist - but a specialist is what he is. He can shoot the three. That's never going to be a priority as a high minute guy except on mid-majors.

We need him, he needs to be a vital part of the machine, but he isn't a shooting guard, he isn't a small forward, and he isn't anything else. He can fill spots and give you some great shooting off the bench, or starting, but not playing a ton of minutes as he is incredibly limited in every other aspect of the game for this level. He can make due at any of those position though because he's smart, fundamentally sound, and if his minutes are limited can likely max out on effort more and perhaps give a bit more on defense.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I trust NKR and Cuse0307 but I still think Dior’s HS class could become eligible for the NBA draft. I want to see on campus his Fr. Year before I believe it.

If we are just waiting 2 more years. That will be almost a decade of mediocre regular season basketball.

That is crazy.

Dude, we're just waiting 2 more years. It is what it is.

 

[FloridaFan]

Yes. Scoop was erratic as a freshman. He sat a year and then was great off the bench as a 3rd year Soph. And while he played his share of PG, he either had Triche or Rautins to share it with - so his role was basically to be a spark plug off the bench and he was quite good at it.

Junior year, it was much more his show to run as the starting PG...and he was pretty erratic in terms of shot selection IMO.

His senior year (5th year) he was a steady hand who could run the show and hit big shots when needed and he had a great year.

I think Joe would thrive as a spark plug 3rd guard at this point...and I think he’ll be quite good as a veteran guard. He’s smaller than Scoop and probably won’t ever have that pull up and pop from 15 game, but he’s a better overall shooter IMO. Neither were especially explosive, but both have/had solid handles and can get where they want to go.

IMO both are/were actually pretty savvy ballplayers with a lot of moxie(yes I used savvy AND moxie in the same sentence - don’t @ me), but sometimes can’t help themselves and decide to play hero ball. Scoop curbed that his senior year, I think Joe will curb it too.

Should be noted that Scoop possibly had the most talented post 1990 SU team that we’ve had to play with. He was a part of that talent. I think a veteran Joe would be great with guys like Fair, MCW, Dion, Joseph, Melo, Christmas, Southerland, and Triche to help him out too.

Who would be the second guard in your scenario if JG is 3rd

 

[IthacaMatt]

I don't think Girard is a PG. He is a SG but because we have Buddy there and not at SF he has to PG. Our backcourt is just brutal defensively. I think Girard will be a good 4 year player but he isn't a PG.

Buddy doesn't rebound nearly enough to play forward in the 2-3. Our centers typically get fewer rebounds because they challenge almost every shot, and we count on the forwards to get their fair share of boards.

 

[Gotothehole]

Do you think he hit the wall? I agree that, overall, he had. a great year. But he went from shooting 41% from three through January to about 25% from three the last 6 weeks or so.

This is the problem he had a great year? Did the team benefit from his great year? This a team sport
His numbers when down because he was being guarded. When his shot is not falling what else does he do ?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Oh thank goodness, She's All That is on, this night won't be a total bust.

 

[OrangeDW]

Who would be the second guard in your scenario if JG is 3rd

Nobody. That was a hypothetical based on IF we had better guards, to where Joe was our third guy. Joe was forced into a role that was bigger than what he’s ready for because we had nobody else, IMO.

 

[malpearl31]

Do you think he hit the wall? I agree that, overall, he had. a great year. But he went from shooting 41% from three through January to about 25% from three the last 6 weeks or so.

26 for 85 from 3-pt range (31%) from Jan 29 through the end of the season.

35 for 70 from 2-pt range (50%) over the same time period.

 

[OrangeDW]

Oh thank goodness, She's All That is on, this night won't be a total bust.

Im watching Owen Hart and Big Van Vader Summerslam ‘97. I had no idea this happened and I’m not mad at all. Social distancing, ladies and gentlemen.

Edit: My bad, I decided against Summerslam 97 and instead went to the next PPV event that took place in the UK. Owen Hart wrestled Austin at SS and I’d already seen that match and the rest of the card did not intrigue me.

 

[Ghost]

I think Joe would thrive as a spark plug 3rd guard at this point...and I think he’ll be quite good as a veteran guard. He’s smaller than Scoop and probably won’t ever have that pull up and pop from 15 game, but he’s a better overall shooter IMO. Neither were especially explosive, but both have/had solid handles and can get where they want to go.

Wholly concur on the first sentence. He may end up being a better shooter - I'd be surprised if he doesn't, but I suppose even that's not in the bag. He has better range though.

I think we've learned to not appreciate PG skills enough. He has the handle to not to get picked, I'm not sure he's shown much of a flare for creating offense for others the way a tradition Scoop, or Ennis type-PG does or did. It may come though. Regardless, I do think his future is bright, and he's a great kid to have on the team, just like Buddy. Even though it may seem I really don't think that at times.

 

[IthacaMatt]

This is the problem he had a great year? Did the team benefit from his great year? This a team sport
His numbers when down because he was being guarded. When his shot is not falling what else does he do ?

They weren't guarding him during the first 3 months of the season? He was averaging 15 ppg then, too.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Nobody. That was a hypothetical based on IF we had better guards, to where Joe was our third guy. Joe was forced into a role that was bigger than what he’s ready for because we had nobody else, IMO.

I can't believe Carey didn't seem to learn anything in Italy in the summer. He was awful those first couple games.

 

[OrangeDW]

Wholly concur on the first sentence. He may end up being a better shooter - I'd be surprised if he doesn't, but I suppose even that's not in the bag. He has better range though.

I think we've learned to not appreciate PG skills enough. He has the handle to not to get picked, I'm not sure he's shown much of a flare for creating offense for others the way a tradition Scoop, or Ennis type-PG does or did. It may come though. Regardless, I do think his future is bright, and he's a great kid to have on the team, just like Buddy. Even though it may seem I really don't think that at times.

Yeah, I may have undersold Scoop’s ability to create off the dribble a bit. Joe improved there and showed a bit in that area as the year went on, but Scoop was pretty good at it and could finish at the basket at a level I’m not sure Joe will get to.

Still, I won’t be surprised if Joe has a similar level career - though sadly probably with a lot fewer W’s. But again - we don’t have anywhere near the overall talent in the program that we had from 08-12.