Brycen Goodine Transferring to Providence

[dasher]

Donovan McNabb said it's pretty known that JB doesn't play the best basketball players, and players are pretty aware of it.

It doesn't actually matter who's better or how they do in practice. It matters who's ordained to play. It's black and white.

I think that is crap. Sadly, like a lot of things Donovan says. Does anyone really think that JB doesn't want to win? Such nonsense.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Donovan McNabb said it's pretty known that JB doesn't play the best basketball players, and players are pretty aware of it.

It doesn't actually matter who's better or how they do in practice. It matters who's ordained to play. It's black and white.

Never trust someone who smiles in his mugshot

 

[FloridaFan]

For the record I believe you Dasher are on the second category.
You don’t kill the guy and don’t pretend what has happened isn’t the HC fault.

I think both are at fault imo

 

[DoctorBombay]

1. Buddy better shooter than goodine based on what we have seen collectively
2. Girard better playmaker for others than goodine
3. Girard more capable scorer and better ability to get hot on offense than goodine
4. Goodine much more quick and athletic than Buddy
5. Goodine much more quick and athletic than Buddy
6. Goodine better defender than Buddy
7. Goodine better defender than Girard

I am not arguing he didn’t get a chance earlier in the season to show some more. I’m not arguing he should have started over Buddy and Girard. I am arguing that there were plenty of moments when our starting backcourt simply was not providing the adequate offensive firepower needed to overcome the defense liabilities they both are, and because of that think it’s completely fair to have wanted some more minutes for Goodine based on points 4-7 above.

All of those points can be true.

Edit- and I’ll say this again. Buddy played 45 minutes against Miami. I don’t care what his last name is. 45 minutes.

Thank you. Why folks can't understand that these issues do not need to be absolutist or mutually exclusive, is beyond me. This isn't about whether JG/Buddy suck, or that BG was "better". For me its about a HC who absolutely refuses to develop depth, and has a flexible and pliable leash for some, and not for others,
If Goodine was given the same rope that Buddy and JG got, I submit he'd be returning. Who can blame him for wanting out?

 

[FloridaFan]

I’ll clarify my thoughts. It’s JB’s fault for not playing BG more and BB and JG less. However I think BG is running away instead of rising to the occasion and also didn’t fully prove himself

 

[orangedave]

Just my opinion but I bet this thread would not have gotten to 500+ comments and several hours long if we all had live sports events to watch on TV today. Blame it on the virus.

 

[orange7]

1. Buddy better shooter than goodine based on what we have seen collectively
2. Girard better playmaker for others than goodine
3. Girard more capable scorer and better ability to get hot on offense than goodine
4. Goodine much more quick and athletic than Buddy
5. Goodine much more quick and athletic than Buddy
6. Goodine better defender than Buddy
7. Goodine better defender than Girard

I am not arguing he didn’t get a chance earlier in the season to show some more. I’m not arguing he should have started over Buddy and Girard. I am arguing that there were plenty of moments when our starting backcourt simply was not providing the adequate offensive firepower needed to overcome the defense liabilities they both are, and because of that think it’s completely fair to have wanted some more minutes for Goodine based on points 4-7 above.

All of those points can be true.

Edit- and I’ll say this again. Buddy played 45 minutes against Miami. I don’t care what his last name is. 45 minutes.

This is so spot on! There were opportunities for Goodine and Ho Wash to get into the game when Boeheim and Girard we’re getting blown by on the top of the zone. Both were extremely good defenders. No reason to pair one offensive guy/one defensive guy at times throughout the game.

 

[AZOrange]

If I had one wish, it wouldn't be for money or power. It would be for a "life simulator" where I could plug all you "experts" in to coach this team for the last 5 years and see what results you would have gotten.

A lot of you here are VERY full of yourselves. You've never coached a single game, but you have ALL the answers.

Jimmy transfers in to take his spot.

Really? I’d take the money or power

 

[orange79]

If I had one wish, it wouldn't be for money or power. It would be for a "life simulator" where I could plug all you "experts" in to coach this team for the last 5 years and see what results you would have gotten.

A lot of you here are VERY full of yourselves. You've never coached a single game, but you have ALL the answers.

Really? I’d take the money or power

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[orange7]

I’ll clarify my thoughts. It’s JB’s fault for not playing BG more and BB and JG less. However I think BG is running away instead of rising to the occasion and also didn’t fully prove himself

Goodine wouldn’t have had a fair opportunity. Why try to compete for minutes when the outcome is already decided? He saw Buddy make like 20% percent of his threes the second half of the year and give open three after open three and still didn’t get a chance...not saying Buddy and Girard shouldn’t play or play a lot...but both could have played 22-30 minutes based on how they were doing earlier...

 

[FloridaFan]

Goodine wouldn’t have had a fair opportunity. Why try to compete for minutes when the outcome is already decided? He saw Buddy make like 20% percent of his threes the second half of the year and give open three after open three and still didn’t get a chance...not saying Buddy and Girard shouldn’t play or play a lot...but both could have played 22-30 minutes based on how they were doing earlier...

Do you think Goodine would have played better then buddy? Curious

 

[AZOrange]

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One of my faves

 

[orange7]

Do you think Goodine would have played better then buddy? Curious

Defensively—no doubt in my mind. There were some games Buddy was so off offensively and of course off defensively. Why couldn’t Goodine get those minutes? Watching him at the top of the zone and deflecting passes was nice to see.

 

[Fly Rodder]

I think that is crap. Sadly, like a lot of things Donovan says. Does anyone really think that JB doesn't want to win? Such nonsense.

I'm sure Kevin Stallings wanted to win, too. "Want" doesn't have anything to do with how well coaches are doing their job compared to other coaches on a year by year basis.

Does Hop not want to win?

 

[patcuse]

The guy who shows just enough that people think he might possibly be kinda good, that gets limited playing time is always these types of fans’ guy.

Like they know how scoring challenged they are so they exaggerate their other abilities.

 

[orange79]

One of my faves

Me too. The man is brilliant.

 

[OrangeDW]

Like they know how scoring challenged they are so they exaggerate their other abilities.

Yes. Goodine is pretty much Gary Payton on the defensive end at this point.

I think he was in when BC hit like 500 3’s in a row though.

 

[patcuse]

Yes. Goodine is pretty much Gary Payton on the defensive end at this point.

I think he was in when BC hit like 500 3’s in a row though.

Only 7 but who’s counting.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Yes. Goodine is pretty much Gary Payton on the defensive end at this point.

I think he was in when BC hit like 500 3’s in a row though.

I don't know about Goodine, but that Kadary Richmond is going to be amazeballs. I figure top-15 next season with him playing as the third guard.

 

[orangemass]

I don't know about Goodine, but that Kadary Richmond is going to be amazeballs. I figure top-15 next season with him playing as the third guard.

He will get about 3 minutes a game

 

[dasher]

I'm sure Kevin Stallings wanted to win, too. "Want" doesn't have anything to do with how well coaches are doing their job compared to other coaches on a year by year basis.

Does Hop not want to win?

lol You bring Kevin Stallings up with JB? has anyone ever accused Stallings of not playing his best players? Or Hopkins? I'll hang up and listen for your answer

 

[Fly Rodder]

lol You bring Kevin Stallings up with JB? has anyone ever accused Stallings of not playing his best players? Or Hopkins? I'll hang up and listen for your answer

I only take exception to your implication that only good coaches want to win. All coaches want to win. Not all of them do.

 

[DoctorBombay]

He will get about 3 minutes a game

This.

 

[dasher]

I only take exception to your implication that only good coaches want to win. All coaches want to win. Not all of them do.

My implication is that JB wants to win. And that he will do what he thinks makes the team more likely to win. that has been questioned here today.

 

[Orangezoo]

He will get about 3 minutes a game

I'll wager on that one. I recommend visiting Richmond's thread and seeing what he did over the past couple of weeks and the talent level he did it against. Goodine, as good as he will be still is not at that level nor was he in HS.