Buddy Boeheim ranks among ESPN’s top 2022 NBA Draft prospects

[jimsonjunction]

What should the expectations be?
I would love to hear what you think.
I have said if the fanbase shouldn’t expect us to be Syracuse anymore then the frustration should go away.
We pretend we are still elite.
If we aren’t elite anymore and then the frustration should be less.

We have been a plucky team that can overachieve in March since 2015.
That isn’t one or two years it’s going on 7.

I watch Buddy Boeheim and I watch the NBA. The kid can shoot but I don’t see an elite shooter.
He misses way too many shots to be an elite shooter. Somehow our fanbase thinks he is an elite shooter.
I don’t see an elite shooter.
I see a good shooter but not elite.
50/40/90 are elite shooters.
50% overall of all your shots.
40% from 3 point range.
90% from the FT line.

People want to go into knots and make excuses. Covid.
Okay if the kid was affected by Covid his coach shouldn’t have played him as much as he did.

The HC won’t sit him when he struggles. If the coach won’t sit him then the Covid excuses isn’t legit.
If the player isn’t 100% don’t play him as 37+ MPG. We had options last year.

Buddy is a good player. I don’t see an NBA player yet. Everything Scotch has said is how I feel.

Buddy was Elite the last 3 weeks of the season. The last week of the regular season, ACCT and NCAAT.

If he is like that the whole season he will be great but I still don’t see an NBA player.

I was curious how many players have achieved that 50/40/90 split during a season. According to ncaa.com, just one player did it last year (Trey Murphy) and just 11 players total since 1993.

So anyone who does that is DEFINITELY elite. Also interestingly, a lot of them don’t come from big-time programs. They come from UVA, William & Mary, Michigan St., High Point, Charleston Southern, Iona, Colorado, Nevada, Utah State, Arizona and Utah.

I don’t think anyone really expects Buddy to achieve that. I personally don’t think that’s the best benchmark for elite either. There are way more elite shooters than that in my opinion, but I get that that’s very subjective.

 

[dasher]

I already got my terms with another poster and you want better terms. I won’t be stupid.
My terms are completely in line with what I have said.
I don’t think we will be top 25 come tournament time.
That is a top 6 seed.
You want me to extend the top 25 to top 28.

If you want top 28 then you lay 250 to my 200.

I’ll give you 7 seeds with that.

In the era of Covid, I would be crazy to bet on the perfect. The red Sox have just lost 9 players to Covid. I have no idea what could happen to us. If I was sure that we wouldn't be hit with Covid, I would even risk injury, but not Covid. You know what bet I will take.

 

[dasher]

I was curious how many players have achieved that 50/40/90 split during a season. According to ncaa.com, just one player did it last year (Trey Murphy) and just 11 players total since 1993.

So anyone who does that is DEFINITELY elite. Also interestingly, a lot of them don’t come from big-time programs. They come from UVA, William & Mary, Michigan St., High Point, Charleston Southern, Iona, Colorado, Nevada, Utah State, Arizona and Utah.

I don’t think anyone really expects Buddy to achieve that. I personally don’t think that’s the best benchmark for elite either. There are way more elite shooters than that in my opinion, but I get that that’s very subjective.

Don't bring facts in to this.

 

[djcon57]

There was something else different for Buddy in the last 10 games or so as well.

it was documented on this board. Stone cold shooting percentages with and without.

wont be available this year.

 

[Alsacs]

Don't bring facts in to this.

His fact doesn’t apply to my point.
Elite shootingis where the 50/40/90 applies.
That is where the good shooters are separated from elite shooters. The fact there aren’t a lot of them is the point. Elite shooters shot over 40% from 3. Not close to 40% but actually over it.
They make over 50% of their 2 pt shots.

Buddy is a good shooter not an elite shooter. His numbers say it.

 

[Alsacs]

There was something else different for Buddy in the last 10 games or so as well.

it was documented on this board. Stone cold shooting percentages with and without.

wont be available this year.

What?

 

[Alsacs]

In the era of Covid, I would be crazy to bet on the perfect. The red Sox have just lost 9 players to Covid. I have no idea what could happen to us. If I was sure that we wouldn't be hit with Covid, I would even risk injury, but not Covid. You know what bet I will take.

I will give you the out if any of players get Covid 19 the bet becomes null and void.

Same deal you win if we finish as a 6 seed/top 7 seed or better in the NCAAT. I win if we don’t.

 

[Orangezoo]

There was something else different for Buddy in the last 10 games or so as well.

it was documented on this board. Stone cold shooting percentages with and without.

wont be available this year.

I saw the ppp numbers but nothing about Buddy's shooting pct with vs without.

 

[two3zone]

Yes, an 11 seed is bad. Play-in game is bad. We are Syracuse. Top 25 and top 4 n the conference needs to be the standard. You don’t get there with Buddy as your alpha. The only thing more tired than the narrative is our consistent mediocrity and it’s acceptance and excuses by the fan base.

I think you can get there with Buddy as the main guy, but you have ZERO shot at it with the point guard situation.

 

[two3zone]

There was something else different for Buddy in the last 10 games or so as well.

it was documented on this board. Stone cold shooting percentages with and without.

wont be available this year.

He started hitting that foul line fade away about then which created space. He wasn’t hitting that earlier in the year which allowed teams to be in his shirt outside. They had to slack a little off of him.

 

[alphaorange]

The 3 point line only went back last year.
So that is only 1 of 3 years.

It’s not really a big point.

2019-2020, 2020-2021. My math may be rusty but that seems like 2 years, not one. And if you do any research about moving the line, you will see that % have always dropped at first, then recovered. Distance, however, is not the only factor. Obviously. All shots are not created equal. Much depends on game situation and how much scoring is needed from the shooters. We NEEDED Buddy to shoot and score. AW not as much as Buddy.

 

[Alsacs]

2019-2020, 2020-2021. My math may be rusty but that seems like 2 years, not one. And if you do any research about moving the line, you will see that % have always dropped at first, then recovered. Distance, however, is not the only factor. Obviously. All shots are not created equal. Much depends on game situation and how much scoring is needed from the shooters. We NEEDED Buddy to shoot and score. AW not as much as Buddy.

Buddy had Quincy and Alan last year.
Quincy was 3rd team all conference.
Buddy didn’t have nobody.

Andrew had Lydon and Gillon:

We needed White just as much as we needed Buddy.
Our best player last year before Buddy took over the final 3 weeks was Quincy Guerrier.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Kispert shot 44% from three his last two years at Gonzaga, including 53% from the floor last year.

Kispert and Buddy aren't in the same tier of shooting.

No offense, but when Buddy was shooting 30% last year right after having Covid you posted to me those were the numbers he would end up with at the end of the season. Now the goalposts seemed to have moved. If he has the type of season many expect some fans just need to take their L’s.

The reason this debate keeps happening is because the goalposts keep moving, but people have still dug in.

I expect him to score are 20ppg this year on around 45/40/90. If I am wrong I am wrong. But a good portion of fans are still dug in from last January.

 

[Alsacs]

No offense, but when Buddy was shooting 30% last year right after having Covid you posted to me those were the numbers he would end up with at the end of the season. Now the goalposts seemed have moved. If he has the type of season many expect some fans just need to take their L’s.

The reason this debate keeps happening is because the goalposts keep moving, but people have still dug in.

I expect him to score are 20ppg this year on around 45/40/90. If I am wrong I am wrong. But a good portion of fans are still dug in from last January.

The debate is about Buddy as an Nba draft prospect.
You are more bullish than I am on Buddy.
I believe he can shoot but because our roster has nobody else who will play SG and he gets a lot of shots he scores points.
Buddy didn’t make any of the all-ACC teams last year. He was hot at the end of the year. He plays like that the entire year then yeah okay.
I think the kid is solid like Andrew White.
I would take White over Buddy.

 

[Cusefan0307]

The debate is about Buddy as an Nba draft prospect.
You are more bullish than I am on Buddy.
I believe he can shoot but because our roster has nobody else who will play SG and he gets a lot of shots he scores points.
Buddy didn’t make any of the all-ACC teams last year. He was hot at the end of the year. He plays like that the entire year then yeah okay.
I think the kid is solid like Andrew White.
I would take White over Buddy.

I’m pretty sure he will make all ACC this year. But to say he gets his points because nobody else can play SG is a bit ridiculous. He torched a Knicks draft pick that everyone loves.

And I like you, but you’re so dug in on this topic that I am done arguing with you on it.

Maybe I should derail the thread and talk about Benny Williams.

 

[dasher]

I will give you the out if any of players get Covid 19 the bet becomes null and void.

Same deal you win if we finish as a 6 seed/top 7 seed or better in the NCAAT. I win if we don’t.

I win if we are a top 7 seed? I will take that deal.

 

[Alsacs]

I win if we are a top 7 seed? I will take that deal.

If we are top 25 on the S-Curve which is released on selection Sunday.
That is 6 seeds and the first 7 seed.
I am not giving you 26-28.

Deal?
Any Covid outbreaks deal is null and void.
An even 2 for 2.

 

[dasher]

If we are top 25 on the S-Curve which is released on selection Sunday.
That is 6 seeds and the first 7 seed.
I am not giving you 26-28.

Deal?
Any Covid outbreaks deal is null and void.
An even 2 for 2.

Second 7 and you have a deal. Also, no deal if Atlantis gets cancelled. I need those games.

 

[Alsacs]

Second 7 and you have a deal. Also, no deal if Atlantis gets cancelled. I need those games.

I am not giving you 26 on the s-curve.
If Covid causes any cancellations you have the right to null and void the deal immediately.
It’s top 25. 6 seed x 4 = 24
Plus top 7 = 25.

If you want to void it you must do it after the cancellation. Not at the end of season.

 

[dasher]

I am not giving you 26 on the s-curve.
If Covid causes any cancellations you have the right to null and void the deal immediately.
It’s top 25. 6 seed x 4 = 24
Plus top 7 = 25.

If you want to void it you must do it after the cancellation. Not at the end of season.

Nope top 2 7's. That is fair. we each get 2 7's. top 26 and we have a deal. The cancellation rule is fair. Has to be said at the time.

 

[Alsacs]

Nope top 2 7's. That is fair. we each get 2 7's. top 26 and we have a deal. The cancellation rule is fair. Has to be said at the time.

Alright fine. Deal is loser pays for the winner to enter at 200 dollar tournament at an agreed time.

 

[dasher]

Alright fine. Deal is loser pays for the winner to enter at 200 dollar tournament at an agreed time.

Or $200 of the buy in if the price is $280 like the Foxwoods tournament that we both just played in.

 

[NateW]

Betting against your own team on that team’s forum.

When keeping it real goes wrong.

 

[City of Cuse]

This is like when you find out in trading places they are only betting $1.

 

[dasher]

This is like when you find out in trading places they are only betting $1.

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A $200 bet is too small for you? You have to understand that Alsacs would rather lose the bet than win it, I imagine. How much would you expect him to bet under those circumstances?