Class of 2015 C/PF Thomas Bryant (NY) Verballed to Indiana

[netman99]

Can't wait till we sign this guy and can rub it in the NCAAs face, the whole world's face for that matter

I don't see how we are able to sign TB with the sanctions but it seems like the staff is still in pursuit and TB is still very interested. I am not concerned at all over the "room for him" issue. If they are allowed to sign him, there will be room for him. That has never been an issue.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I don't see how we are able to sign TB with the sanctions but it seems like the staff is still in pursuit and TB is still very interested. I am not concerned at all over the "room for him" issue. If they are allowed to sign him, there will be room for him. That has never been an issue.

Theoretically, there is no reason our 2 senior guards can't voluntarily take a half scholarship each next year, freeing up a whole scholarship for TB.

 

[RF2044]

I don't see how we are able to sign TB with the sanctions but it seems like the staff is still in pursuit and TB is still very interested. I am not concerned at all over the "room for him" issue. If they are allowed to sign him, there will be room for him. That has never been an issue.

I think it's actually pretty simple. Right now, we can't begin the sanctions based upon the written penalty, because we are already on the hook for more than 10 scholarships next year. So the penalty defers until the 16-17 season [year after next]. Please note that this has zero to do with TB.

So, if the penalty defers until after next season, and we have a departure, then there is an open slot that could be filled by another recruit. And that slot would go to Thomas Bryant.

The NCAA may have boxed themselves into a corner with how the penalty is written. The question seems to be: can they somehow swoop in and forbid us to extend a scholarship to TB if somebody exits the program? Because that would involve a re-interpretation of the penalty, and would require the NCAA to actually impose a "new" penalty that prevents us from making that move.

Another question is: if the NCAA tried to swoop in and say that we have to start the scholarship reductions next year due to TB commiting, would they have the jurisdictional authority to force us to not honor three of those scholarships, at least two of which have signed LOIs?

Lots unclear.

 

[netman99]

I think it's actually pretty simple. Right now, we can't begin the sanctions based upon the written penalty, because we are already on the hook for more than 10 scholarships next year. So the penalty defers until the 16-17 season [year after next]. Please note that this has zero to do with TB.

So, if the penalty defers until after next season, and we have a departure, then there is an open slot that could be filled by another recruit. And that slot would go to Thomas Bryant.

The NCAA may have boxed themselves into a corner with how the penalty is written. The question seems to be: can they somehow swoop in and forbid us to extend a scholarship to TB if somebody exits the program? Because that would involve a re-interpretation of the penalty, and would require the NCAA to actually impose a "new" penalty that prevents us from making that move.

Another question is: if the NCAA tried to swoop in and say that we have to start the scholarship reductions next year due to TB commiting, would they have the jurisdictional authority to force us to not honor three of those scholarships, at least two of which have signed LOIs?

Lots unclear.

The way I read the sanctions, the NCAA did include a clause that says SU can only sign those recruits (the four) that have officially verballed. Evidently when they are offered or verbal there is a signed document. If TB does not have a signed document, whatever it is, then he can not be offered even if SU defers to next year. That is the confusing part which I hope I am misinterpreting but I don't think so.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Theoretically, there is no reason our 2 senior guards can't voluntarily take a half scholarship each next year, freeing up a whole scholarship for TB.

Other than NCAA regulations which prohibit a single basketball scholarship from being shared by two or more players.

 

[RF2044]

The way I read the sanctions, the NCAA did include a clause that says SU can only sign those recruits (the four) that have officially verballed. Evidently when they are offered or verbal there is a signed document. If TB does not have a signed document, whatever it is, then he can not be offered even if SU defers to next year. That is the confusing part which I hope I am misinterpreting but I don't think so.

Same. That's why I included that second-to-last paragraph. Would the NCAA really be able to enforce that? I'm guessing that even if they tried, it wouldn't hold up. And they'd get evicerated in the sports media if they forced us to rescind scholarships to already committed players to get down to 1o.

I think that they worded that penalty specifically to preclude us from bringing in Bryant. No doubt in my mind. But they also created a loophole that we can probably use to bring him in. ESPECIALLY if the penalties are on hold during an appeal process. Regardless, if the NCAA tries to take that approach, then they'd actually be imposing a 13 scholarship penalty, not a 12 scholarship penalty. So...

 

[jordoo]

The way I read the sanctions, the NCAA did include a clause that says SU can only sign those recruits (the four) that have officially verballed. Evidently when they are offered or verbal there is a signed document. If TB does not have a signed document, whatever it is, then he can not be offered even if SU defers to next year. That is the confusing part which I hope I am misinterpreting but I don't think so.

But the appeal should freeze this SO we get a LOI from him in the interim while the appeal is being dealt with.

 

[dasher]

The way I read the sanctions, the NCAA did include a clause that says SU can only sign those recruits (the four) that have officially verballed. Evidently when they are offered or verbal there is a signed document. If TB does not have a signed document, whatever it is, then he can not be offered even if SU defers to next year. That is the confusing part which I hope I am misinterpreting but I don't think so.

If your reading is correct, than the number of ships the NCAA is limiting us to is 13, not 12.

 

[netman99]

Same. That's why I included that second-to-last paragraph. Would the NCAA really be able to enforce that? I'm guessing that even if they tried, it wouldn't hold up. And they'd get evicerated in the sports media if they forced us to rescind scholarships to already committed players to get down to 1o.

I think that they worded that penalty specifically to preclude us from bringing in Bryant. No doubt in my mind. But they also created a loophole that we can probably use to bring him in. ESPECIALLY if the penalties are on hold during an appeal process. Regardless, if the NCAA tries to take that approach, then they'd actually be imposing a 13 scholarship penalty, not a 12 scholarship penalty. So...

It does not appear that SU is backing off TB so I am assuming you are correct! I surely hope so.

 

[netman99]

But the appeal should freeze this SO we get a LOI from him in the interim while the appeal is being dealt with.

If SU appeals and signs TB in that time period than hats off to SU. They should do whatever is possible to fight the NCAA. That would be awesome.

 

[jordoo]

If SU appeals and signs TB in that time period than hats off to SU. They should do whatever is possible to fight the NCAA. That would be awesome.

Its the plan man!

 

[Dave85]

Its the plan man!

My jaw will drop if by some miracle we are able to get TB on board.

 

[cusetown1]

If your reading is correct, than the number of ships the NCAA is limiting us to is 13, not 12.

Exactly that's why it's bs if bryant cant come on board. the ncaa math skills suck.

 

[Jake]

Indeed, we are pursuing him until we're told we cannot. The appeal is the game plan here...

 

[iommi]

My jaw will drop if by some miracle we are able to get TB on board.

It would not be a miracle...someone leaves and he comes. Not that miraculous.

 

[cusetown1]

the ncaa can't ding us with 12 schollys and also say "executed financial agreement " that doesn't make any sense. that totally mean they are trying to screw us over and Bryant, that would also mean a selected 13th scholly at the ncaas choosing since they didn't except our imposed scholly .

 

[pearl31]

Indeed, we are pursuing him until we're told we cannot. The appeal is the game plan here...

But at what point do the Bryants say "we can't wait anymore"?

 

[netman99]

Indeed, we are pursuing him until we're told we cannot. The appeal is the game plan here...

Great to hear!!!

 

[Dave85]

It would not be a miracle...someone leaves and he comes. Not that miraculous.

Who leaves this year? Is DC2 even going to be able to play? So much Orange drama this time of year!

 

[iommi]

Who leaves this year? Is DC2 even going to be able to play? So much Orange drama this time of year!

We are not supposed to specifically discuss transfers, but let's just say there will likely be room in the inn.

 

[Dave85]

We are not supposed to specifically discuss transfers, but let's just say there will likely be room in the inn.

Drama, drama, drama!

 

[CuseHulk]

Who leaves this year? Is DC2 even going to be able to play? So much Orange drama this time of year!

for the 1000th time it would work itself out. My God !!!

 

[CuseHulk]

Drama, drama, drama!

The only one starting/stating drama is you.

 

[jordoo]

Drama, drama, drama!

Not really, after all the build up I think it will be anticlimactic.

 

[jordoo]

for the 1000th time it would work itself out. My God !!!

Hulk calm down! Hulk find new clothes, those old ones look ruined.