Class of 2019 C Qudus Wahab (VA) to Georgetown

[orangecuse]

No, I believe Carrigan wants immediate PT. I think he is a transfer with 2 years left. JBA is projected to contribute 2-3 years out. Totally different scenarios.
And I would think Carrigan does not want to go where Stewart or Wahab go, that would impede his PT. So, Carrigan will wait it out, whereas JBA obviously didn't.

Didn't realize Stewart was a 5. In regards to Carrigan vs. Wahab, it doesn't appear between the two (based upon what I've read here) that one is much superior (if any) than the other. So, with our strong need for the 5, to me, it makes more sense of taking the guy who wanted to commit, but placed on the so called "waiting list."

 

[gmoney44]

Sidibe is being sold short. He displayed advanced offensive skills in limited time when his injury allowed him mobility last year. He has definitely been slow to round back into form and there are still questions about his defensive play, but he has the potential to be excellent. We shouldn't discount what 12 months of improvement looks like for him when we estimate the center for next year.

I’m not a doctor or a basketball coach but I would recruit as if Sidibe is going to contribute little like he has done the majority of his time here so far. He definitely showed flashes in some games early last year but his future is uncertain. Recruit the best possible center you can and if Sidibe works out great.

 

[orangecuse]

Sidibe is being sold short. He displayed advanced offensive skills in limited time when his injury allowed him mobility last year. He has definitely been slow to round back into form and there are still questions about his defensive play, but he has the potential to be excellent. We shouldn't discount what 12 months of improvement looks like for him when we estimate the center for next year.

Maybe so, being sold short. He had that one bright spot against Pitt (a lousy team that went win-less in the ACC) vs. many other not so bright. The Pitt game was one game. I realize he dealt with the tendinitis issue last season and had the surgery immediate afterwards, which was April I believe. It's said he's not at 100%, but he's out there playing and hasn't missed a game this season. So, I can only base my opinion of his play, based on what I see, which hasn't been much to date, fair or not. I hope he improves and progresses throughout the season, we certainly need it at the 5, it's currently a significant weakness of this team.

 

[cuse10]

Sidibe is being sold short. He displayed advanced offensive skills in limited time when his injury allowed him mobility last year. He has definitely been slow to round back into form and there are still questions about his defensive play, but he has the potential to be excellent. We shouldn't discount what 12 months of improvement looks like for him when we estimate the center for next year.

He simply hasn't played well enough this season to bank investing a year on what if. The reality of college sports is that you're going to be recruited over. The frontcourt is a position of need for SU and they have to do what is best for the program.

 

[Sgt Cuse]

Didn't realize Stewart was a 5. In regards to Carrigan vs. Wahab, it doesn't appear between the two (based upon what I've read here) that one is much superior (if any) than the other. So, with our strong need for the 5, to me, it makes more sense of taking the guy who wanted to commit, but placed on the so called "waiting list."

I think part of being on the so called "waiting list" is Carrigan's idea. He wants to see where those two players go. And yes, I would think Stewart would affect Carrigan's decision.

Our staff probably would prefer Wahab to Carrigan based on Wahab would have 4 years of eligibility vs just 2 for Carrigan.

 

[RF2044]

In reference to that philosophy, since it appears, based on several posters here, that Carrigan can help us much sooner than another project bean pole in JBA, maybe JBA should've been the one given the holding pattern? With PC able to come back next year, as well as Sidibe, the status quo remains a constant at worst with or without JBA, and seemingly better off in the immediate future with Carrigan.

People need to get realistic about Carrigan's capabilities. He's a great shot blocker -- that's terrific, but he's also offensively challenged, weighs about 215, and isn't a guy who has any other noteworthy offensive skill [such as passing]. He's a pogo stick who runs the floor really well -- but could stand to add some weight.

People expecting him to come in and give us established low post offense are setting themselves up for disappointment.

The reality is, he's a tremendous athlete / shot blocker. He can be a pretty good rebounder, but he isn't going to put the ball in the basket much. Very much like many of the center prospects that we've landed in the past, he's a terrific profile fit for our system. Would love to land him, because the plan all along has been to bring in two centers in this class, we seem to do well with these types of shot blocking specialists, and it looks like we're going to miss on Wahab -- but some need to downplay their expectations, IMO, or watch some of his game footage to get a better sense of his capabilities.

 

[cuse10]

People need to get realistic about Carrigan's capabilities. He's a great shot blocker -- that's terrific, but he's also offensively challenged, weighs about 215, and isn't a guy who has any other noteworthy offensive skill [such as passing].

People expecting him to come in and give us established low post offense are setting themselves up for disappointment.

The reality is, he's a tremendous athlete / shot blocker. He can be a pretty good rebounder, but he isn't going to put the ball in the basket much. Very much like many of the center prospects that we've landed in the past. He's a terrific profile fit for our system, but doesn't project to do much on offense. Would love to land him, because the plan all along has been to bring in two centers in this class, and it looks like we're going to miss on Wahab -- but some need to downplay their expectations, IMO, or watch some of his game footage to get a better sense of his capabilities.

Part of the problem with recruiting threads in general (this isn't exclusive to the forum either). People have lofty expectations of prospective talent, but have never seen them play. Hoop Mixtape/Ball is Life compilations only tell you so much about a player and only show you the really good.

 

[HoustonCuse]

Part of the problem with recruiting threads in general (this isn't exclusive to the forum either). People have lofty expectations of prospective talent, but have never seen them play. Hoop Mixtape/Ball is Life compilations only tell you so much about a player and only show you the really good.

That is why I am more optimisitc on Sidibe. The recruits are the shiny new toy but Sidibe will have 3 years in the program, 3 years more maturity, strength, etc and if you looks at strictly offensive skills, he has more upside than any of the people we are involved with for next year at C.

 

[orangecuse]

People need to get realistic about Carrigan's capabilities. He's a great shot blocker -- that's terrific, but he's also offensively challenged, weighs about 215, and isn't a guy who has any other noteworthy offensive skill [such as passing]. He's a pogo stick who runs the floor really well -- but could stand to add some weight.

People expecting him to come in and give us established low post offense are setting themselves up for disappointment.

The reality is, he's a tremendous athlete / shot blocker. He can be a pretty good rebounder, but he isn't going to put the ball in the basket much. Very much like many of the center prospects that we've landed in the past, he's a terrific profile fit for our system. Would love to land him, because the plan all along has been to bring in two centers in this class, we seem to do well with these types of shot blocking specialists, and it looks like we're going to miss on Wahab -- but some need to downplay their expectations, IMO, or watch some of his game footage to get a better sense of his capabilities.

Oh, I didn't realize he was another thin dude, that pic of him (post# 502) in his recruiting thread makes him appear to be better filled out, certainly more than our current centers.

SU, for the most part, over the years haven't generally had many guys at the 5 who we looked for to have a big offensive presence there, but it would be nice to have a guy there that could at least be a bit of threat to score, other than the occasional put back type basket. It would be nice to have a guy there (even offensive shortcomings) that at least was a significant presence on D, a rock in the middle vs. seemingly being pushed around, etc. PC, with his height, should be able to get double digit rebounds day in and day out, but it's not the case. So, it seems, not only don't they give us any offensive threat, on D, their presence (at least currently) doesn't appear to be of much significance either.

 

[Madbiker]

Just from Wahab's comments it's either Va Tech or Pitt.

 

[IthacaMatt]

the board disagrees, but the staff's #1 target was always jba. they were on him longest & never wavered

I find that really, really hard to believe. If he was their number one target, he wouldn't have been about the 5th center to get an official offer. You know, there's a web site right at the top of the recruiting board that tracks all our offers. It kills me that people make pronouncements like this without remembering all the earlier offers we made, starting a year and a half or two years ago.

 

[littlereg]

Cardigan is a modern center. Runs the floor well and and the type of player that you can throw constant oops too. That’s the type of center we need for our offense.

 

[orangecuse]

Just from Wahab's comments it's either Va Tech or Pitt.

Yeah, from the comments I'll say VPI. Buzz apparently did an exceptional job in selling/bestowing upon Wahab that he has the young man's best interest in mind. As in convincing him that Buzz will place him first and foremost, above even what is best for the program if need be. At least that's how I read those comments.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Maybe so, being sold short. He had that one bright spot against Pitt (a lousy team that went win-less in the ACC) vs. many other not so bright. The Pitt game was one game. I realize he dealt with the tendinitis issue last season and had the surgery immediate afterwards, which was April I believe. It's said he's not at 100%, but he's out there playing and hasn't missed a game this season. So, I can only base my opinion of his play, based on what I see, which hasn't been much to date, fair or not. I hope he improves and progresses throughout the season, we certainly need it at the 5, it's currently a significant weakness of this team.

In high school, against very good competition, Sidibe displayed a great motor and could score with either hand inside. He played very well against some elite recruits. He didn't have the shooting ability of a Taurean Thompson from 15 feet, but he was kind of like a slimmer, bouncier Rick Jackson in high school.

If we can get Carrigan, though (and he qualified with his December grades), then I think he will probably start at center because of Sidibe's lingering knee problem. Sidibe is still not quite right. Carrigan is made to defend in the middle of the zone.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Cardigan is a modern center. Runs the floor well and and the type of player that you can throw constant oops too. That’s the type of center we need for our offense.

He’s also really fuzzy and can keep you warm on those cold winter nights.

 

[moqui]

I find that really, really hard to believe. If he was their number one target, he wouldn't have been about the 5th center to get an official offer. You know, there's a web site right at the top of the recruiting board that tracks all our offers. It kills me that people make pronouncements like this without remembering all the earlier offers we made, starting a year and a half or two years ago.

only 3 centers received offers in this cycle (carrigan was initially a 2018 offer, iirc). cockburn's official offer preceded jba by a couple of months, but the intensity of his recruitment waxed and waned & the staff was on jba long before they officially offered.

wahab came on the radar much later than both of them, not until last winter. jba, on the other hand, had the staff's interest since his sophomore season & they never wavered in their interest, regardless of whomever else they were flirting with.

maybe you can argue that stewart was their primary interest in a big in this class, but stewart is being courted as a forward and jba has always been seen as a center.

i don't think they see him as an immediate impact guy, but by their actions, it is clear that the staff has prioritized jba in this cycle.

 

[orangecuse]

only 3 centers received offers in this cycle (carrigan was initially a 2018 offer, iirc). cockburn's official offer preceded jba by a couple of months, but the intensity of his recruitment waxed and waned & the staff was on jba long before they officially offered.

wahab came on the radar much later than both of them, not until last winter. jba, on the other hand, had the staff's interest since his sophomore season & they never wavered in their interest, regardless of whomever else they were flirting with.

maybe you can argue that stewart was their primary interest in a big in this class, but stewart is being courted as a forward and jba has always been seen as a center.

i don't think they see him as an immediate impact guy, but by their actions, it is clear that the staff has prioritized jba in this cycle.

Clear, to who, you? This very much appears to be your opinion vs. some "clear" fact. Just look at Wahab's recent comments in regards to SU, "they keep saying how bad we really really need you" or along those lines. If it was so "clear" that SU's top 5 priority was JBA as you allege, why is it so "needy" for SU to land Wahab then according to Wahab? If SU "clearly" has their guy in JBA, then why are they even really pursing him with the apparent urgency that they are?

 

[Cusesky8214]

There is NO WAY JBA was priority target #1. We obviously wanted him and would take him at any time he was ready to commit but it's crazy to say he was our number 1 guy.

 

[ebucklewis]

There is NO WAY JBA was priority target #1. We obviously wanted him and would take him at any time he was ready to commit but it's crazy to say he was our number 1 guy.

I think it’s crazy to say anyone is your number 1 guy. I don’t think recruiting works that way. Maybe JB feels that a 4 year guy to play center is vital to building good teams. Who knows. I’m sure they prioritize their wish list, but as we all know, it is an ever changing process that involves the whims of 18/19 year old males.

 

[Cusesky8214]

I think it’s crazy to say anyone is your number 1 guy. I don’t think recruiting works that way. Maybe JB feels that a 4 year guy to play center is vital to building good teams. Who knows. I’m sure they prioritize their wish list, but as we all know, it is an ever changing process that involves the whims of 18/19 year old males.

I think your probably right...but If they have a wish list of recruits they want in some sort of order, JBA was not on the very top of that list. That's all I'm saying. I like the JBA addition and have been a big supporter of his in his thread.

 

[Cusesky8214]

Hmm...

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Hmm...

Nice.

 

[Orangefan1]

Wow that’s odd

 

[littlereg]

Okay...?

 

[jdubs30]

Weird.

Maybe we’re trying to get back in?
Maybe UConn said they’d take him if Kofi goes elsewhere?

Either way, not ideal for VaTech or Pitt