Coach Boeheim

[Orangezoo]

I think that's subjective -- i.e., "all about the postseason."

I would much rather be consistently great -- top 15 for the full year, playing an exciting brand of basketball -- than lose 14 games every year and hope that the stars align for three weeks at the end of the season.

I'm tired of getting rolled by mediocre teams. I'm tired of being on the bubble. I'm tired of letting lesser opponents dictate game tempo to US because of the defensive style we play. I'm tired of watching scrubs dominate us on the glass. I would much rather have what we had between 2010 - 2012 than what's come afterwards.

Biggest thing too with the zone is that we used to be able to dictate where the ball goes. Now with usually 2-3 capable shooters on the court vs nearly every team, we simply can't accomplish that even when the defense plays well. And if we do accomplish it, there is usually not someone in position to get a rebound. The value of the zone has purely become whether it can generate enough turnovers and as something to hopefully frustrate opponents when our offense is clicking.

It no longer puts game pressure on the opponents offense. They simply find a few things that will work and rotate them.

 

[Giants1973]

Say what ??? We actually have a pretty good freshman point

 

[Giants1973]

I agree with that . But needs to work on jump shot!. Joe g is having a awful season!!!!!

 

[DoctorBombay]

I agree with that . But needs to work on jump shot!. Joe g is having a awful season!!!!!

11 games in and our stud Freshman PG looks like a shell of the kid we saw earlier in the year. He’s been admonished when he misses, gets berated for turnovers, gets reigned in for God knows what else, gets inconsistent PT, has ridden the bench because...stretch the defense, while each of his counterparts do so much worse w/ little consequence.
His swag is gone. He needs to be given the keys and have JB stay out of his way.

 

[SaltLakeOrange]

11 games in and our stud Freshman PG looks like a shell of the kid we saw earlier in the year. He’s been admonished when he misses, gets berated for turnovers, gets reigned in for God knows what else, gets inconsistent PT, has ridden the bench because...stretch the defense, while each of his counterparts do so much worse w/ little consequence.
His swag is gone. He needs to be given the keys and have JB stay out of his way.

I got flamed when I said that Richmond was getting Boeheim'ed. Well, I was right. He's getting destroyed to protect an old mans ego. Sorry, but it's true.

 

[Dinkyspond]

I just wonder how JB feels to watch the program he built to be so bad right now. He must be aware he's being villified by the fan base. His legacy is being tarnished. He should cut his losses and call it quits and preserve the reputation he earned. I also wonder how Wildhack feels, presiding over football and basketball programs both in a crisis. He's got his work cut out for him to figure out how to fix both. SYR is a mess on two fronts.

 

[SaltLakeOrange]

I just wonder how JB feels to watch the program he built to be so bad right now. He must be aware he's being villified by the fan base. His legacy is being tarnished. He should cut his losses and call it quits and preserve the reputation he earned. I also wonder how Wildhack feels, presiding over football and basketball programs both in a crisis. He's got his work cut out for him to figure out how to fix both. SYR is a mess on two fronts.

As far as basketball goes, JB decided he was bigger than the program in 2016. JW kicked the can down the road and here we are. Wildhack has a hard decision to make. But unless he makes it, we'll just continue to suck. Football has been awful the last two years. Basketball has been at best mediocre for longer than that. Luckily for SU, TV revenue is pretty much independent of whether we suck or not.

 

[Cuserulz]

11 games in and our stud Freshman PG looks like a shell of the kid we saw earlier in the year. He’s been admonished when he misses, gets berated for turnovers, gets reigned in for God knows what else, gets inconsistent PT, has ridden the bench because...stretch the defense, while each of his counterparts do so much worse w/ little consequence.
His swag is gone. He needs to be given the keys and have JB stay out of his way.

Sounds like a one and done candidate, unfortunately the done part may be the transfer portal. Without, most likely, a sit out year, it's a possibility that he may get frustrated enough to seek out greener pastures. Just thinking out loud.

 

[AZOrange]

11 games in and our stud Freshman PG looks like a shell of the kid we saw earlier in the year. He’s been admonished when he misses, gets berated for turnovers, gets reigned in for God knows what else, gets inconsistent PT, has ridden the bench because...stretch the defense, while each of his counterparts do so much worse w/ little consequence.
His swag is gone. He needs to be given the keys and have JB stay out of his way.

I don’t disagree that he deserves to play more but his ineffectiveness has little to do with the coach and more to do with the fact that he can’t hit a shot outside the lane now. His defender is 10+ feet off of him

 

[Gotothehole]

I got flamed when I said that Richmond was getting Boeheim'ed. Well, I was right. He's getting destroyed to protect an old mans ego. Sorry, but it's true.

This is why he needs to go ... This a performance based business

 

[FrancoPizza]

I don’t disagree that he deserves to play more but his ineffectiveness has little to do with the coach and more to do with the fact that he can’t hit a shot outside the lane now. His defender is 10+ feet off of him

Or maybe they know he’s been instructed not to shoot. Neutered and declawed.

 

[Sherman20]

Biggest thing too with the zone is that we used to be able to dictate where the ball goes. Now with usually 2-3 capable shooters on the court vs nearly every team, we simply can't accomplish that even when the defense plays well. And if we do accomplish it, there is usually not someone in position to get a rebound. The value of the zone has purely become whether it can generate enough turnovers and as something to hopefully frustrate opponents when our offense is clicking.

It no longer puts game pressure on the opponents offense. They simply find a few things that will work and rotate them.

Respect you zoo, but I don’t think this argument holds water. We were a top 10 defensive team (KenPom efficiency) in the country in 2018. And still top 30 or 40 in 2019. 3-point shooting in CBB hasn’t improved or changed that much in the past 2-3 years. I think it’s our personnel, namely a lack of a rim and paint protecting center who can block shots and not enough length and speed both at the top of the zone (for getting out on shooters, stopping the high post entry pass, and getting deflections) and on the wings (for close outs at the rim). Woody and/or Braswell at the forwards would give us more length and might improve the defense a bit, but we need Quincy and Griffin for their scoring punch and rebounding. There are no easy answers.

 

[baggerbob]

Respect you zoo, but I really don’t think this argument holds water. We were a top 10 defensive team (KenPom efficiency) in the country in 2018. And still top 30 or 40 in 2019. 3-point shooting in CBB hasn’t improved or changed that much in the past 2-3 years. I think it’s our personnel, namely a lack of a rim and paint protecting center who can block shots and not enough length and speed both at the top of the zone (for getting out on shooters, stopping the high post entry pass, and getting deflections) and on the wings (for close outs at the rim). Woody and/or Braswell at the forwards would give us more length and might improve the defense a bit, but we need Quincy and Griffin for their scoring punch and rebounding. There are no easy answers.

You have 2 starting guards with no ability to play effective defense. Rebounding is also part of playing defense.

 

[Orangezoo]

Respect you zoo, but I really don’t think this argument holds water. We were a top 10 defensive team (KenPom efficiency) in the country in 2018. And still top 30 or 40 in 2019. 3-point shooting in CBB hasn’t improved or changed that much in the past 2-3 years. I think it’s our personnel, namely a lack of a rim and paint protecting center who can block shots and not enough length and speed both at the top of the zone (for getting out on shooters, stopping the high post entry pass, and getting deflections) and on the wings (for close outs at the rim). Woody and/or Braswell at the forwards would give us more length and might improve the defense a bit, but we need Quincy and Griffin for their scoring punch and rebounding. There are no easy answers.

We have always done better in defensive efficiency with the zone similar to how burn offenses like Wisconsin do better with offensive efficiency.

Let's look at it further. Personnel does help. In 2018 we did defend better and started 12-2. That said when you start to see the season play out - some teams smoked us from the outside and others beat us up on the boards. Even with good personnel when we play the zone we are at the mercy of the opponent vs dictating the game. The exception has been when we get to the NCAA where we have played our best basketball on both ends by far in this downward trend.

In the end of year 2018 season we lost games a number of ways including poor 3 pt defense, poor shooting, poor interior defense and losing the battle on the boards despite it being one of the best rebounding teams we had put out in a while. That team should not have been a play in team. Also that team had the athleticism and quickness to play a very good mtm or at least multiple defenses. As the season progressed even that defensively minded team was picked apart to finish the year. 12-2 to 20-13. The start, minus that God awful ODU loss was a huge help to those Ken Pom numbers. You look at those games and see the same things be it fewer possessions. Tyus and Frank collapsed too deep many times just like Buddy and Joe. They were for sure better at preventing penetration but still it happened more than it should.

I think in general the talent quality is hurting us and plays a role but the defense is just not a weapon for a whole game anymore and is hurting us more than helping us. Having it as a weapon to switch into for maybe half a game? Hell yes. Giving every team an easy scout during the regular season in that they know they will get zone or desperate trunk monkey? It just doesn't work anymore.

Mutual respect as well and just my take. I don't disagree that the zone isn't itself the fix. It's deeper than that but I think it plays a prominent role.

 

[baggerbob]

We have always done better in defensive efficiency with the zone similar to how burn offenses like Wisconsin do better with offensive efficiency.

Let's look at it further. Personnel does help. In 2018 we did defend better and started 12-2. That said when you start to see the season play out - some teams smoked us from the outside and others beat us up on the boards. Even with good personnel when we play the zone we are at the mercy of the opponent vs dictating the game. The exception has been when we get to the NCAA where we have played our best basketball on both ends by far in this downward trend.

In the end of year 2018 season we lost games a number of ways including poor 3 pt defense, poor shooting, poor interior defense and losing the battle on the boards despite it being one of the best rebounding teams we had put out in a while. That team should not have been a play in team. Also that team had the athleticism and quickness to play a very good mtm or at least multiple defenses. As the season progressed even that defensively minded team was picked apart to finish the year. 12-2 to 20-13. The start, minus that God awful ODU loss was a huge help to those Ken Pom numbers. You look at those games and see the same things be it fewer possessions. Tyus and Frank collapsed too deep many times just like Buddy and Joe. They were for sure better at preventing penetration but still it happened more than it should.

I think in general the talent quality is hurting us and plays a role but the defense is just not a weapon for a whole game anymore and is hurting us more than helping us. Having it as a weapon to switch into for maybe half a game? Hell yes. Giving every team an easy scout during the regular season in that they know they will get zone or desperate trunk monkey? It just doesn't work anymore.

Mutual respect as well and just my take. I don't disagree that the zone isn't itself the fix. It's deeper than that but I think it plays a prominent role.

You should watch how Q presses, and uses the 2/3 zone with man principles. The women force teams to do things they don't feel comfortable doing. The press takes time off the clock, leaving less time to work the offense.

 

[Orangezoo]

You should watch how Q presses, and uses the 2/3 zone with man principles. The women force teams to do things they don't feel comfortable doing. The press takes time off the clock, leaving less time to work the offense.

Absolutely. I love the concept of using a press into the zone like Pitino always did. In my opinion the best way to do it. I watch all the ladies games and couldn't agree more. That to me is part of my point. It doesn't have to be a mtm but putting game pressure on the opponents offense.

 

[cusediehard]

Long time fan of the Cuse and JB but I've reached my breaking point this year. I think it was shortsighted years ago to name the court after our HC. Basically saying your past successes make you above accountability for the future. Live and learn.

Sorry, just feeling especially bummed about our team right now. Didn't mean to interrupt the thread and go off topic.

 

[skeeter223]

I retired when I was 65. I did it, not because I could no longer handle the job or didn't have the energy for it, but because I had lost interest. I was no longer challenged intellectually or professionally, and decided to leave before it started to affect my performance. That was 6 years ago and it was one of the best life decisions I've made. I think Boeheim has reached and passed by the point in his career I had reached. It's time to retire.

 

[Oakland]

I retired when I was 65. I did it, not because I could no longer handle the job or didn't have the energy for it, but because I had lost interest. I was no longer challenged intellectually or professionally, and decided to leave before it started to affect my performance. That was 6 years ago and it was one of the best life decisions I've made. I think Boeheim has reached and passed by the point in his career I had reached. It's time to retire.

I think the problem with JB deciding to retire is that BB is such a big part of his life that he doesn't have anything else to do; you can only play so much golf. He may be thinking that death will be his retirement or retirement is death.

 

[Briancuse]

I think the problem with JB deciding to retire is that BB is such a big part of his life that he doesn't have anything else to do; you can only play so much golf. He may be thinking that death will be his retirement or retirement is death.

I think there is plenty that he can do. Like you said he loves golf. He loves watching sports not just bball. Im sure Julie would love to travel. He could always take on a consultant role.

 

[Red Holzman]

I retired when I was 65. I did it, not because I could no longer handle the job or didn't have the energy for it, but because I had lost interest. I was no longer challenged intellectually or professionally, and decided to leave before it started to affect my performance. That was 6 years ago and it was one of the best life decisions I've made. I think Boeheim has reached and passed by the point in his career I had reached. It's time to retire.

Coaching Buddy is the #1 reward for JB at this stage of his career, IMHO.
He won't retire before Buddy leaves, and who knows for how long after that.
Inquiring Fans Want To Know!

 

[Cusesky8214]

Cal has been getting hammered by fans/media for some of the things he's been saying this season...he doubled down on this one recently. Strange take. Cal must talk with JB lol.

 

[Cusesky8214]

 

[Cuse Action]

Look, I am 65 this week. I had a very active week of work. Something that would not have registered 20 years ago. I am exhausted. Slept till 11 a.m. today. But to be more exact, is anyone as enthusiastic about their job after 10 years as they were in their first? After 20 years? After 30 years? After 40 years? We all know the answer to that question. It would not be natural if you were. Someone needs to have this talk with jb. The program is stale. The program is predictable. How about having a monster guy that can rebound for us? Or bull his way to the hoop? We can't because that guy won't be able to get out on the wings. You give something to get something. And not for nothing, our defense sucks. We wouldn't play a good man to man and we don't play a good zone.

I'm 75, imagine how I feel after 18 holes

 

[Red Holzman]

I'm 75, imagine how I feel after 18 holes

Better than JB after giving up 64 second half point to PITT(?)