Coach Search Options after Autry

[orange79]

Then explain what happened, if you're in the know. I've not told anyone they are wrong, although that's exactly what you are currently doing to me. You're also telling me to be quiet, something you people on here do a lot when opinions differ from the gatekeepers. This is a discussion board, right, or is discussion not allowed here? You think Jim wrecked the program on purpose? Because that's what torpedo means.

1. I am not "in the know". But I know who to listen to, unlike you.
2. I am not telling you to be quiet, but if you listen and read every post, you will learn things. Specifically, what Jake said.
3. Do I, personally, think JB wrecked the program on purpose? No, but I think what he did do didn't help it. I think his personal situation led him to do things that weren't necessarily in the best interest of the program. Do I think he thought they would work out? Probably. But I'm not sure anyone else did.
4. You people? Really?

Goodbye.

 

[5OutFred]

Sorry, can we stop with the Boeheim stuff? It's been 3 years. It's over, and it's exhausting. What's the point?

 

[Cusefan78]

I hear GMacs interview is going pretty well

If this is an interview it’s going very well. The team plays with intensity.

 

[swish7]

If this is an interview it’s going very well. The team plays with intensity.

I dont know if it is or not, but his team does a lot of things well.

It would be a bold move to pass him over for someone else, unless that someone else does significantly better in the tournament.

 

[RF2044]

You can use inflammatory language like "apologist point of view" and "intellectually honest" if you want, it doesn't mean anything. I would also say that Jim Boeheim deserves more respect than calling him an old man and saying he ran the program into the ground. I've always believed that he earned the right to go out on his own terms and have input into who took over the program. Instead, the university treated him poorly and so did many fans.

He does deserve respect. His first 38 years were amazing. His last 8 were a significant decline. That can't be debated with ANY intellectual honesty. Like other icons, he hung on too long as the program crumbled around him, to the detriment of said program.

Both of those things can be true, simultaneously. And, the decline was real. No amount of starry-eyed pretending whitewashes that.

And I categorically reject the "earned his right to go out on his own terms" point of view. He is the only D1 head coach to land his team on probations, twice. He rejected the HCIW arrangement that was in place. He got to coach his two sons. THAT was his reward -- not an unlimited blank check to continue driving the program into the ground.

If he'd been winning at a reasonable clip, he would have been justified to stay. Since his winning percentage declined from ~74% his first 38 years to ~54% his final eight, the University couldn't afford to let him stay and continue to drag the program under. It's a performance based profession, and his performance had cratered.

This line of yours: I've always believed that he earned the right to go out on his own terms and have input into who took over the program. Instead, the university treated him poorly and so did many fans.

...is exactly why the program is in the place it is. Revisionist history.

I'm still greatly appreciative of all of the joy he brought me as a fan, over the decades I cheered for his team. But I can acknowledge that the wheels had begun to come off toward the end. Recognizing that isn't a "betrayal" of being a fan of Syracuse University basketball. Maybe if Boeheim hadn't been so billigerent and problematic at the end, the athletic department would have conducted a legitimate search for the next head coach, instead of attempting to mollify the temper-tantrum of the outbound coach by hiring an unqualified internal candidate. And we wouldn't be in this embarrassing position.

 

[Jake]

You can use inflammatory language like "apologist point of view" and "intellectually honest" if you want, it doesn't mean anything. I would also say that Jim Boeheim deserves more respect than calling him an old man and saying he ran the program into the ground. I've always believed that he earned the right to go out on his own terms and have input into who took over the program. Instead, the university treated him poorly and so did many fans.

His own terms? No because his own terms means he’d still be there.

If those terms are reasonable, sure. They weren’t.

He was a great coach. And I think he was still a great game coach til the end.

But all that other stuff?!?! Not so much at the end.

 

[WoadBlue]

He does deserve respect. His first 38 years were amazing. His last 8 were a significant decline. That can't be debated with ANY intellectual honesty. Like other icons, he hung on too long as the program crumbled around him, to the detriment of said program.

Both of those things can be true, simultaneously. And, the decline was real. No amount of starry-eyed pretending whitewashes that.

And I categorically reject the "earned his right to go out on his own terms" point of view. He is the only D1 head coach to land his team on probations, twice. He rejected the HCIW arrangement that was in place. He got to coach his two sons. THAT was his reward.

This line of yours: I've always believed that he earned the right to go out on his own terms and have input into who took over the program. Instead, the university treated him poorly and so did many fans.

...is exactly why the program is in the place it is. Revisionist history.

That hanging on too long is a major problem across coaching. It hoopoes because many people with power obvert hires also want to deny their own aging and so think about coaching that way.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Sorry, can we stop with the Boeheim stuff? It's been 3 years. It's over, and it's exhausting. What's the point?

We’re about to ride the bus off the cliff into HopkinsVille and all people care about is who changed the oil last.

 

[swish7]

We’re about to ride the bus off the cliff into HopkinsVille and all people care about is who changed the oil last.

Why would we hire Mike Hopkins?

 

[phsyra]

Why would we hire Mike Hopkins?

We don't have enough NIL to get Hopkins. We might have to bring Boeheim for a transition year, similar to what Stanford football did with Frank Reich. We save our money and then Hopkins comes in next year. This was the original plan and we need to get back to it.

 

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[RF2044]

We don't have enough NIL to OVERCOME Hopkins's PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF BEING A SUBPAR COACH.

FIFY

 

[phil77]

Can we get back to talking about our next coach Hodgson lol

 

[shu 49]

It's amazing to me that the basketball alumni can't see the likely potential of going down the same road as we did with Red. Are they afraid they can't wander around the Melo Center anymore? I would think a new outside hire would still see the importance of keeping the "Family Atmosphere." Hilarious that Hop is going to strongly negotiate his NIL or not come.

If we are go with Gmac. Hop has 0 offense. Both great guysbut want Hodg first

 

[shu 49]

I would argue that the book on Gmac is still to be written. I still have my doubts about his ceiling. And you can’t compare the situation at SU with Siena.

But we have Hop supposedly leading and hehad his shot with a few 5 star guys and couldnt win. no offense.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

All of the Hop talk was just to soften us up and make us thankful for a GMac hire.

 

[dasher]

You can use inflammatory language like "apologist point of view" and "intellectually honest" if you want, it doesn't mean anything. I would also say that Jim Boeheim deserves more respect than calling him an old man and saying he ran the program into the ground. I've always believed that he earned the right to go out on his own terms and have input into who took over the program. Instead, the university treated him poorly and so did many fans.

A few things. JB is an old man. I know because at this stage, I am an old man. And I am younger than JB. He stopped working hard on the recruiting trail. I understand. I didn't work as hard at the end of my career as I did at the beginning. Almost no one does. Jb could still coach a game and be real good at it. This day he could do that. But he couldn't do all the other things needed. Hit the road and go see a kid. Look at who we got in the portal. Kids that he knew that were somewhat local. The numbers tell the story. Jb ran the program down.

 

[Sherman20]

If JB has not torpedoed the program in his final 5 years, the next coach would have had a better chance to succeed.

I don’t know, Jake. Red is a very bad coach. He would’ve done poorly even if JB hadn’t held on too long and stubbornly refused to change how he operated.

 

[Jake]

I don’t know, Jake. Red is a very bad coach. He would’ve done poorly even if JB hadn’t held on too long and stubbornly refused to change how he operated.

Both can be true. I was not making excuses for Red.

 

[Sherman20]

Then explain what happened, if you're in the know. I've not told anyone they are wrong, although that's exactly what you are currently doing to me. You're also telling me to be quiet, something you people on here do a lot when opinions differ from the gatekeepers. This is a discussion board, right, or is discussion not allowed here? You think Jim wrecked the program on purpose? Because that's what torpedo means.

Dude, Cooper, I will share something with you. There are a few insiders on this board who we all value. Jake is one of them. He knows of what he speaks.

 

[zjscuse]

Can we PLEASE hire outside of the family and start from a fresh page. Someone with a proven track record that is better built to manage this era of college basketball . Nate oats would’ve been a perfect transition coach. Who’s out there that resembles such a move?