Coach Search Options after Autry

[Cusefan0307]

I was just thinking about failed coaches that went on to become big winners. You guys might be too young to remember the NY papers when Joe Torre got hired by the Yankees. Or the reaction in Boston when Terry Franconia was hired by the Red Sox. Throw Bill B in to that as well with the Pats. People can learn and they can get better. That isn't to say I would hire Hop. I wouldn't. But the amount of Nil that we are talking is eye opening. Is it a sugar high? 100% yes. Is it the long term answer, I think not. But I have been wrong before and so has everyone on this board. The good thing is the answer is coming. Sooner rather than later.

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Chances are we get none of that with Hop.

 

[sufan59]

Hopkins Nation show just started lol

 

[BomberOrange]

is it wrong?

Not wrong but it’s the attitude of we can do whatever we want, we’re still top 5. In year 5 of the Hop era you’ll be saying we’re top 10?….but we will still suck.

 

[Cuse4Life29]

Lately, I've been thinking more and more about how Syracuse reminds me of my Pittsburgh Steelers. Organizations that are afraid of change, clinging to the status quo, and frankly being frugal, convincing themselves that sustained success (i.e., just being average) justified standing still. It's time for a total reset. At least in the Steeler's case, they finally moved on from Tomlin, and for once, there's actually optimism. Hoping the same for Syracuse in that a new hire will bring in fresh ideas and is "outside of the family." Just give the fanbase a reason to believe again and provide hope.

 

[kingtidge]

I was just thinking about failed coaches that went on to become big winners. You guys might be too young to remember the NY papers when Joe Torre got hired by the Yankees. Or the reaction in Boston when Terry Franconia was hired by the Red Sox. Throw Bill B in to that as well with the Pats. People can learn and they can get better. That isn't to say I would hire Hop. I wouldn't. But the amount of Nil that we are talking is eye opening. Is it a sugar high? 100% yes. Is it the long term answer, I think not. But I have been wrong before and so has everyone on this board. The good thing is the answer is coming. Sooner rather than later.

Well, it would seem a number of you ITK's are now on to "framing how hiring Hop could work" so I will take that as a bellweather of where this is likely heading...

 

[dasher]

Hopkins Nation show just started lol

How so?

 

[Cusefan0307]

Hopkins Nation show just started lol

Report back. I can’t listen to those two bozos slobber over Hopkins for 2 hours.

 

[sufan59]

How so?

It's my nickname for now for the Orange Nation show on ESPN Syracuse radio

 

[DoctahLexus]

If Hop gets this job i know of about 10 season tickets that will be available next year, I couldn't imagine a less exciting hire then that.

There would be protests in the street lol. Or at the very least a one man protest (me). If nobody is protesting that hire I am dead.

 

[phil77]

Well, it would seem a number of you ITK's are now on to "framing how hiring Hop could work" so I will take that as a bellweather of where this is likely heading...

Yup just like 3 years ago with Red. Everyone was excited about the national hire, we were all throwing out names etc. Then the whispers started for Red, and they just kept getting louder and louder over the course of time. The same people are now whispering Hopkins louder and louder.

 

[dasher]

Well, it would seem a number of you ITK's are now on to "framing how hiring Hop could work" so I will take that as a bellweather of where this is likely heading...

I'm not. It was just something I thought I would remind people of. And while your general thesis is correct, I didn't want my post to seem like a endorsement of any kind. It wasn't.

 

[Ghost]

Well said. I'm not sure why we even went with Autry when we could've just had Jimmy Boeheim coach after he graduated. Then by the time he retires his kid will be ready to take over the reins and on and on.

After all we should be running the hoops program like it's the Roman Empire 2000 years ago.

Yeah, Hopkins could bridge the gap perfectly until JIMMY or BB is ready to go!
GMac is too young! But I suppose he may have to step up if Hopkins failed straightaway...

 

[dasher]

It's my nickname for now for the Orange Nation show on ESPN Syracuse radio

Never saw it. What are they saying?

 

[RF2044]

and still top 5 in the country. little old syracuse ny. in reality we were spoiled by the huge numbers we used to get.

We can still have nice things -- we just need the right coach.

Other teams, across all conferences, field competitive teams that field functional offenses / get after it defensively. This isn't an insurmountable challenge to reverse our fortunes -- we just need a competent coach who has effective systems.

I also readily acknowledge that no coach is a "sure thing," but I don't resonate with the doom and gloom that Syracuse Basketball can't ever again be a top 25 team consistently, or that we are "spoiled."

Lots of programs -- even ones at lower conferences -- contend for the top 25 / qualifying for the NCAA tournament. We've fallen off of that level because our elderly previous HOF coach didn't want to grind on the recruiting trail anymore, and we followed that up by hiring an unqualified replacement.

The sky isn't falling -- we just need to get a coach who knows what he is doing, and the results will follow.

 

[kingtidge]

I'm not. It was just something I thought I would remind people of. And while your general thesis is correct, I didn't want my post to seem like a endorsement of any kind. It wasn't.

No, wasn't implying that... just personally trying to come to grips with a sad reality setting in that we're gonna screw the pooch again on this hire. God help us if Lyke comes with it...

 

[sufan59]

Never saw it. What are they saying?

They actually are being a little less critical so far on Hodgson this show saying it's unreasonable to change your mind on Hodgson depended on how he does the rest of the way. Basically not winning the conference tournament. Also saying if LSU wants Hodgson, Syracuse can't compete and they will get him.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Yeah, Hopkins could bridge the gap perfectly until JIMMY or BB is ready to go!
GMac is too young! But I suppose he may have to step up if Hopkins failed straightaway...

Do you remember the spacing Hopkins pulled off out at UW? Hell yeah

 

[RF2044]

This is just me, but I’ll be much more patient with BH than I would MH. Especially if the entire reason we hire MH is because of an initial funding infusion. BH needs to build an infrastructure. In reality that’s what the program needs. What MH brings is temporary and we have a bunch of evidence at our fingertips that show it probably won’t work.

Same. Because the fanbase is already frustrated. If the Unviersity goes the route of doing the SAME THING again, i.e., hiring a questionable head coach with former ties to the program, in lieu of broadening the search to include national candidates -- then tolerance / pateience will be in shorter supply.

The University needs to be careful here. We've already seen attendance / revenue taper off dramatically. If they get the next hire "wrong" again, going the same route of hiring a questionable internal candidate -- watch out.

 

[dasher]

No, wasn't implying that... just personally trying to come to grips with a sad reality setting in that we're gonna screw the pooch again on this hire. God help us if Lyke comes with it...

I must admit, I didn't see this heading this way. The mo for Hopkins is real. And I wouldn't have seen that coming a few weeks ago.

 

[Newhouser]

What's Hop's successor at UW - 500 ish?

 

[sufan59]

"The Washington job is not an easy job" Steve Infanti on Orange Nation.

 

[phil77]

"The Washington job is not an easy job" Steve Infanti on Orange Nation.

Its not easy to win with 3 NBA players on your team






when you are a bad coach

 

[dasher]

"The Washington job is not an easy job" Steve Infanti on Orange Nation.

If it's any consolation, I think we are going to mess up the A.D. search even worse.

 

[Fly Rodder]

I was just thinking about failed coaches that went on to become big winners. You guys might be too young to remember the NY papers when Joe Torre got hired by the Yankees. Or the reaction in Boston when Terry Franconia was hired by the Red Sox. Throw Bill B in to that as well with the Pats. People can learn and they can get better. That isn't to say I would hire Hop. I wouldn't. But the amount of Nil that we are talking is eye opening. Is it a sugar high? 100% yes. Is it the long term answer, I think not. But I have been wrong before and so has everyone on this board. The good thing is the answer is coming. Sooner rather than later.

I get what you're saying, but those were two coaches in pro sports from 30 and 25 years ago who were hired into elite teams. Torre was hired into a primo situation with multiple HOFers on a roster built by Gene Michael. Same for Francona. It's gotta be hard to win with prime Schilling, Pedro, Ortiz, Ramirez and Damon. Once those stacked rosters petered out due to age, there wasn't as much success for either.

 

[Orangezoo]

What's Hop's successor at UW - 500 ish?

13-18 last year and 14-14 so far this season.