Coach Search Options after Autry

[RF2044]

The tricky part about coaching hires is you are at the mercy of who is available/ready at the time you fire your coach. Last year there wasn’t an obvious “match” out there for us. This year we may get extremely lucky that our perfect match is out there and we are ready to fire our HC. This could be Hurley/UConn levels of timing. Don’t think we get chances like this very often, we already missed one with Oates. If we pass on him for a guy who won less than 17 games in each of 5 full seasons of coaching … and has been out of college for 2 seasons.


I’m sure people are lured by the NBA aspect of Hops last 2 years… but man if Hop went to any other school in the country he woildnt even be on our radar.

And that's the telling part.

It defies logic and empirical evidence, beyond "he's a good guy with ties to our program." It certainly isn't based upon any performance-related indicators [because they are almost all unfavorable for Hop].

 

[Sdot]

I’m all for Hodgson but if for anyway we hire lykes I’m done attending any Syracuse games.

 

[Fly Rodder]

I just wish we could get all the potential donors together and hire the best coach.

I would be happy if we could get all of the potential donors and the BOT to acknowledge that there is, and has been, an issue with the basketball program.

 

[phil77]

Kiyan ends up getting 16 shots a game and more talented players get less usage………

Anthony ISO offense, 2-3 zone, Hopkins on the bench...

2003 PART 2 BABY !!!!!!

The game hasn't changed at all, and Kiyan = Melo

 

[Newhouser]

If you were a “betting man” (which you are) would you say lykes has a high chance of being AD?

She is a harder sale than Hop. At least Hop can tell us how his philosophy has changed and he has learned a lot in the NBA about. How he is bringing on offensive genius, etc.

How do you spin Lykes?

 

[Newhouser]

Kiyan ends up getting 16 shots a game and more talented players get less usage………

He will get way more than 16 shots a game.

 

[malpearl31]

Well, Bernie Fine (shudder) did a good job coaching up bigs, and he was what, 5-10. Lots of schools known for theirbigs have coaches who weren’t centers.

Every once in a while this comes up as a talking point: "tall people are better at coaching tall people". But the best "big man" coach of all time was Pete Newell, who was 6'-2"... talk to Hakeem Olajuwon about whether Newell was tall enough to be an effective coach...

 

[orangepassion]

Sorry Bro

Has anyone asked if the big bad Bryan “The Shark” Hodgson would serve as Hop’s top assistant and ace recruiter???? A foot in the door might help land his dream job one day.

No one does that.

 

[RF2044]

imagine hiring Mike Hopkins as your coach at THIS time!! . i supposed its better than JB kids. pretty sad melo has to buy his kid playing time

I think it is that Melo is "comfortable" with Hopkins [who wouldn't be? He was the good cop for many years, including when Melo played at Syracuse, and people love his personality].

But this year did NOT unfold for Kiyan the way that I'm sure Melo envisioned, and hiring Hop versus an outsider would not only [1] guarantee Melo access to the new coach, but also [2] ensure that Melo would be able to take a more active role in actively managing his kid's second year at SU. Not sure he gets that access with Hodgson.

 

[rrlbees]

That's because we have the largest multi-purpose home venue / facility of any college basketball program.

and like i said in another post, we have the largest but even if others behind us had the same, it wouldn't matter because they aren't at capacity with what they do have. even if we get back to winning ways, the attendance won't get back to yesteryear. less disposable income, tv and streaming almost guaranteeing viewing options and attendance being down in general in most places. but winning can certainly increase it. the unknown is how much.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Now, this is kind of troubling.
I guess if it was my money, I'd want to get to pick the coach. too.
But that doesn't sound like unqualified backing for the program, does it?
I suppose donors can't trust how their money has been spent in recent years.

This is what troubles me, NIL funds are not guaranteed, so in my opinion you want to get the best coach you can who has a proven track record. As other have said they gave Red more money and he blew it. Good Talent doesn’t trump lousy coaching. If we hire hop who was marginal as a head coach and he stinks, NIL will dry up quickly. After red this program needs ground up coaching not a recycled coach working in the NBA as an assistant.

 

[phil77]

I think it is that Melo is "comfortable" with Hopkins [who wouldn't be? He was the good cop for many years, including when Melo played at Syracuse, and people love his personality].

But this year did NOT unfold for Kiyan the way that I'm sure Melo envisioned, and hiring Hop versus an outsider would not only [1] guarantee Melo access to the new coach, but also [2] ensure that Melo would be able to take a more active role in actively managing his kid's second year at SU. Not sure he gets that access with Hodgson.

And more than likely, Kiyan will be starting and featured.

 

[RF2044]

and like i said in another post, we have the largest but even if others behind us had the same, it wouldn't matter because they aren't at capacity with what they do have. even if we get back to winning ways, the attendance won't get back to yesteryear. less disposable income, tv and streaming almost guaranteeing viewing options and attendance being down in general in most places. but winning can certainly increase it. the unknown is how much.

Maybe it never gets back to averaging 27K per year.

But one thing that is SURE about CNY fans, they love to back a winner. Win, and the fans will attend. Lose, or underperform, and the casual fan quickly disengages.

Let's get back to averaging ~23-25K because we're fielding an exciting product, and not lament that it isn't higher or reflect on how things will never be like "...the good old days."

Oh, and BH's systems [and the USF numbers] would electrify the fanbase. Again, CNY fans support a winner.

 

[phil77]

This is what troubles me, NIL funds are not guaranteed, so in my opinion you want to get the best coach you can who has a proven track record.

Or take the Syracuse approach, hire good guys that are terrible coaches, and try to throw more and more money at the problem.

 

[sufan59]

James Szuba from Nunes Magician listing Tobin Anderson as a candidate.

 

[721Comstock]

Or take the Syracuse approach, hire good guys that are terrible coaches, and try NOT to throw more and more money at the problem.

FIFY.

Now THAT is the “Syracuse Way”.

 

[Scooch]

Hop’s NBA experience consists of…

- One year on the bench of a dysfunctional and horribly underachieving 36-46 Suns team (with Booker, Durant and Beal).
- 2/3rds of a year as the “player development” head (whatever that is) of a 17-42 Pelicans team.

I’m so excited to see what he’s learned.

The guy hasn’t been around a successful basketball team since 2019.

Melo & Friends will buy Hop a good roster, and Hop will run it into the ground.

This is all so dumb.

 

[phil77]

FIFY.

Now THAT is the “Syracuse Way”.

Hey at least we aren't cheap anymore, just incompetent now

 

[Cusefan0307]

Let’s hire a coach that averages 87 ppg and out rebounds their opponents
by 6 per game, nah we choose the guy who averaged 70 and got out rebounded playing zone.

 

[23Zone]

This thread and my need to keep reading it is interfering with my productivity at work lol.

 

[RF2044]

Let’s hire a coach that averages 87 ppg and out rebounds their opponents
by 6 per game, nah we choose the guy who averaged 70 and got out rebounded playing zone.

But he's a really good guy.

He bleeds Orange.

JB will throw a tantrum otherwise, and we need to avoid that negative publicity.

Plus, who else could we hire anyway?

 

[phil77]

Let’s hire a coach that averages 87 ppg and out rebounds their opponents
by 6 per game, nah we choose the guy who averaged 70 and got out rebounded playing zone.

But will the first guy feature Kiyan in an ISO offense and is he super, super swell guy?

 

[Orangezoo]

Let’s hire a coach that averages 87 ppg and out rebounds their opponents
by 6 per game, nah we choose the guy who averaged 70 and got out rebounded playing zone.

Wish there was a way to gather a petition quickly and get it to the search committee with a very scathing letter around fan support falling apart should they choose Lykes/Hop. It would need a well known influential face behind it which is the problem…

 

[DPCuse]

The season we are living right now shows that is exactly NOT the case.

We had the NIL to build a competetive roster this season and did.

The terrible coaching has been a hurdle we can't clear to make this team competitive.

You simply have to have a competent HC otherwise you are wasting NIL, like we are seeing now.

You are missing the point. Last year, we already had a coach in place. You need the NIL to attract not only the players but a quality coach. Any premier coach is going to be looking at the budget they have to work with before accepting a job.

 

[dasher]

James Szuba from Nunes Magician listing Tobin Anderson as a candidate.

LOL What? He is an ass't coach at South Florida. What is he talking about?