Cornell Postgame Thoughts

[CuseFaninVT]

what is lazy?

what is his main strengthe then?

there;s a double standard between justin and benny imo

i think benny gives the team a better chance to beat actual good teams...bc he can play vs them athletically whereas justin cannot match up vs p5 forwards.

He can. He just doesn’t. If Benny showed the effort of JT he would probably be in the association right now, if he actually possesses the talent you claim.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

3 points total vs tenn, gonzaga and uva from a starting forward the team relies on to score


its not a problem in your mind?

all three of those games were blowout losses fyi

And you think that was his fault?

 

[Cusefan0307]

what is lazy?

what is his main strengthe then?

there;s a double standard between justin and benny imo

i think benny gives the team a better chance to beat actual good teams...bc he can play vs them athletically whereas justin cannot match up vs p5 forwards.

Defense and Rebounding for one. Taylor has a defensive rebounding percentage of 21% THIS SEASON. Benny for his career is 13%. The stats are out there.

This mythological character some of you have made Benny to be is ridiculous. He averages 4 points and 3 rebounds here for his career. He does not play hard.

 

[djcon57]

He can. He just doesn’t. If Benny showed the effort of JT he would probably be in the association right now, if he actually possesses the talent you claim.

If we played Benny last night and Benny played his usual Benny game on defense, Cornell would have gotten many more open shots and many more transition layups. I'm surprised people haven't caught onto his game after 2+ years. He wanders on defense constantly. I thought it was because he was confused in the zone. I was very very wrong.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

If we played Benny last night and Benny played his usual Benny game on defense, Cornell would have gotten many more open shots and many more transition layups. I'm surprised people haven't caught onto his game after 2+ years. He wanders on defense constantly. I thought it was because he was confused in the zone. I was very very wrong.

He’s the ultimate example of a kid who was more physically gifted than most of the people he played with and against. After three years he hasn’t realized this level requires another gear. I can’t see him flipping the switch at this point.

 

[two3zone]

According to Auburn coaches and SU coaches he is a legit player and A+ defender. Your right can he do it in games? Not sure but gives us another potential option perhaps.

If reports from staff and former players were even remotely accurate we’d have 10 titles.

He was supposed to come off the bench, so I can’t imagine he was much better than Starling if better at all and we see how that’s going.

 

[capeorange]

There was a period of maybe 5 minutes in the second half when I swear to God we collected 6 fouls. I sit too far away to see what happened but they seemed very ticky tacky. I am not sure whether all those fouls and disruptions of play contributed to our lead becoming razor thin.

They did cut our lead

 

[CardiacCuse]

Defense and Rebounding for one. Taylor has a defensive rebounding percentage of 21% THIS SEASON. Benny for his career is 13%. The stats are out there.

This mythological character some of you have made Benny to be is ridiculous. He averages 4 points and 3 rebounds here for his career. He does not play hard.

yeah he does offer something. im not trying to bag on JT, really.

I am shocked by how ineffective he has been on offense though. against good teams. cheering for how he did vs cornell is fine and all but lets not lose sight of the big picture here: be actually a good tourney level team again.

lets be honest - how many really care about the colgates and cornells? is that how far we have fallen that that is the new measurement?

we care about the dukes and uva's.

against those teams JT doesnt have the athleticism to be effective offensively, from what we have seen thus far in his career. benny does.

yeah perhaps JT is a better rebounder and defender...perhaps. (benny did have 4 boards in 14 mins in a recent game fyi)

If I wanna play with a Duke or Gonzaga, I choose benny though. simply because he gives a chance to win.

Im not even necessarily saying Start benny...im just saying...going into the season everyone had benny as a starter for this exact reason: the team needs his athleticism and size at the PF spot. ...if they wanna beat p5 level teams...

benny might not deserve to start, but JT hasnt shown he can handle the tier 1 squads. lets just acknowledge the facts, please.

 

[upperdeck]

His issue has been missing open shots.. Not taking bad ones. And he has played really well on D. Sometimes defense is about how you play when your guy does not have the ball.

If JT was just a bit more athletic his rebounding numbers would be even better, all you can control on rebounding is positioning and he has been very good at that.

Since none of us have been at practice and coach isnt playing him it has to be more than just what we see him do in his limited game minutes.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

yeah he does offer something. im not trying to bag on JT, really.

I am shocked by how ineffective he has been on offense though. against good teams. cheering for how he did vs cornell is fine and all but lets not lose sight of the big picture here: be actually a good tourney level team again.

lets be honest - how many really care about the colgates and cornells? is that how far we have fallen that that is the new measurement?

we care about the dukes and uva's.

against those teams JT doesnt have the athleticism to be effective offensively, from what we have seen thus far in his career. benny does.

yeah perhaps JT is a better rebounder and defender...perhaps. (benny did have 4 boards in 14 mins in a recent game fyi)

If I wanna play with a Duke or Gonzaga, I choose benny though. simply because he gives a chance to win.

Im not even necessarily saying Start benny...im just saying...going into the season everyone had benny as a starter for this exact reason: the team needs his athleticism and size at the PF spot. ...if they wanna beat p5 level teams...

benny might not deserve to start, but JT hasnt shown he can handle the tier 1 squads. lets just acknowledge the facts, please.

I honestly don’t know what you have seen from Benny that would indicate he’s the solution.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I honestly don’t know what you have seen from Benny that would indicate he’s the solution.

Athleticism buddy. You don’t get it! Those are the facts!

 

[UpstateSM]

You either know ball or you don't

 

[IthacaMatt]

I saw improvements last night, but again it is just Cornell. Taylor, Bell and Brown seem to really buy into what Red is preaching. I get it's not pretty at times, but they you can tell they are listening. A big issue with the ball movement besides Judah overdribbling is teams are starting to not guard JJ on the perimeter and he's dribbling into traffic. The kid looks like a broken player right now.

Yes, about JJ - the opponents don't guard his outside shot. Cuffe has to see more minutes. Hopefully he can take advantage.

 

[CLMintz]

JJ is hard to watch. I crigne when he shoots.
When Chris Bell makes 3s we can win games. If not we will most likely lose
Brown and Taylor very solid. They make good plays, high IQ. Brown is very good in passing lanes.
Judah is a stud. His shot was falling tonight but still don't like his stroke. If he can be more fluid shooting 3s he will be a 1st rounder and maybe a lotto pick. Best Cuse guard in last 10 years

What do you mean you don’t like Judah’s stroke? You have no idea! Lots of guys in the NBA have somewhat unusual strikes. Everybody doesn’t shoot like Steph. The key is to be consistent with what you do and get good rotation. Judah has improved a lot, and his stroke was butter last night. Some people are never satisfied. And he’ll be a 2st rounder regardless. Nobody cares what you think, especially Judah.

 

[br801]

Yes, about JJ - the opponents don't guard his outside shot. Cuffe has to see more minutes. Hopefully he can take advantage.

Looking at any type of traditional or advanced metrics, Cuffe has been quite unproductive in his minutes, which is probably why Red continues to roll with Starling to this degree. Cuffe will need to play himself into a larger role.

 

[CardiacCuse]

I honestly don’t know what you have seen from Benny that would indicate he’s the solution.

its more about what i havent seen from JT (vs P5)

i get it benny is flawed but he has put up numbers vs duke etc before ...at least

I'm just saying if I had to win vs a good team, i am still going to pick benny...even though JT was good against Cornell.

 

[CLMintz]

Please stop with the JJ not being 100% healthy. It’s simply not true. You don’t even know it to be true. You just keep speculating. Have you talked to the staff or his doctor? His poor play has nothing to do with his health. He just has to play better. Enough already!

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Please stop with the JJ not being 100% healthy. It’s simply not true. You don’t even know it to be true. You just keep speculating. Have you talked to the staff or his doctor? His poor play has nothing to do with his health. He just has to play better. Enough already!

You should really be careful, as many of us are doing with you.

 

[MSOrange]

Please stop with the JJ not being 100% healthy. It’s simply not true. You don’t even know it to be true. You just keep speculating. Have you talked to the staff or his doctor? His poor play has nothing to do with his health. He just has to play better. Enough already!

That always goes well when parents call out other players. Stay classy Camara.

 

[tbonezone]

didn't watch so i'll just comment on what i see in the box.
stats pretty much equal down the line as far as fg att,ft att, rebs, stls, to's and fouls.
where i see a difference. cornell played 13 .we played 8. not surprisingly therefore bench pts 8/25.
3 pt % . shots even but we hit 41% they hit just 27%. blocks were 9/1. and ft% was 71/53 .
mintz led the team with 16 shots and was 5/7 deep. a good sign. but just 2 assists. brown and taylor had 20 of our 45 boards. given that cornell played 13 dudes while trailing all game i'm guessing they're not super talented. noticed 1st half they were subbing in 4 every 4 minutes. but a good home win.

 

[Newhouser]

Looking at any type of traditional or advanced metrics, Cuffe has been quite unproductive in his minutes, which is probably why Red continues to roll with Starling to this degree. Cuffe will need to play himself into a larger role.

I like Cuffe on D but on the other end he has done nothing. I don't remember him doing anything but taking and missing threes.

 

[djcon57]

I like Cuffe on D but on the other end he has done nothing. I don't remember him doing anything but taking and missing threes.

Ya, I was really high on his D last night, but his offense analytics for the season are hideous.

 

[BillSU]

We won. Thoughts?

WE WON!

 

[Cheriehoop]

justin taylor:

0 points vs tennessee...in 28 minutes!

0 points vs Gonazaga in 26 minutes!

3 points vs UVA in 28 minutes!

like, literally, you cannot make this up!

if Benny did the same ...everyone would call for his benching...oh wait...


I dont have an agenda here...im going off of facts!

is he slightly improving? seems so...

is he anywhere close to good enough yet? nope.

and yeah the pg needs to get him involved...but this about more than just that...he literally cant get a shot off vs those types of teams...and it is a HUGE PROBLEM for a starting forward

especially if you also wanna play guys like mcleod and brown...who offer nothing with the ball as well (not mention non shooters like copeland and starling)

puts the guards in a tough spot. makes it VERY easy to play against.

which is why you are seeing those 3 blowouts that we saw.

at this point, hes a good bench option, imo...for next season, unless he figures it out vs ACC this year, which is possible.

he needs to shoot and he neds to score,...vs every opponent...thats his role.

LOL - let’s put the team’s leading rebounder on the bench.

 

[SwagSocks]

What do you mean you don’t like Judah’s stroke? You have no idea! Lots of guys in the NBA have somewhat unusual strikes. Everybody doesn’t shoot like Steph. The key is to be consistent with what you do and get good rotation. Judah has improved a lot, and his stroke was butter last night. Some people are never satisfied. And he’ll be a 2st rounder regardless. Nobody cares what you think, especially Judah.

Okay. Literally said he is a stud and best guard cuse had in the last decade. If he can some how be a 2st rounder, that would be historic!