Development in and Around Syracuse Discussion

[IthacaMatt]

I am a fan of an Inner Harbor stadium in theory. Plenty of examples - where it worked and helped build a dynamic and fun greater downtown experience. The only thing is, there would need to be an entertainment district of sorts to make it truly successful. To do it right, you gotta have foot traffic and an "experience" to bring repeat non-die hard fans (or folks who go just for the inner harbor amenities.) Just my 2 Cents.

Well, you've got Destiny Mall at one end of the Inner Harbor and the new COR multi-use block going in on the other end, so you've got much of what you're looking for. Frankline Square is also within reasonable walking distance.

 

[NJCuse97]

Or Coney Island or Newark. Or maybe Uniondale?

I honestly think the Mets are going to make a good-faith effort to stay in Onondaga County. But they'll be quick to jump if they don't get exactly what they want.

I might think Newark. City on the rise, downtown stadium, access to transit, close to Citi Field, (and may actually be closer to Midtown Manhattan than the big league park).

 

[upperdeck]

red sox just dumped pawtucket after years and years, they all move sometime.

 

[sutomcat]

I might think Newark. City on the rise, downtown stadium, access to transit, close to Citi Field, (and may actually be closer to Midtown Manhattan than the big league park).

You put a AAA team too close to your core market area, you might lose some of of your fans. Newark is also a problem because their ballpark is slated to be knocked down for a commerical/residential project.

Bears & Eagles Riverfront Stadium - Wikipedia

The Mets already have their AA team in Binghamton. There will be regular traffic from their AAA club to and from their AA club and from the AAA club and CitiField. You want a location close to the AA club and close but not too close to the major league location.

Syracuse is well located. I think they want to make money from their AAA club though and to do that, people have to attend the games. I will attend more once the vile National vermin prospects are evicted at the end of this season.

 

[SmilinBob]

How much economic impact does triple a ball have in syracuse? I lived 25-30 miles away for most of my life, and probably went to 4 games between the time i was 8 and 48. Is it really worth $25,000,000 to the community?

I'd rather they give $10,000 of the poorest 1000 people in the area. Let the rich owners of the Mets pay for it
.I'm sick of funding the rich so they can make/save more money. The state and country are in debt, they are not.

 

[shandeezy7]

I'd rather they give $10,000 of the poorest 1000 people in the area. Let the rich owners of the Mets pay for it
.I'm sick of funding the rich so they can make/save more money. The state and country are in debt, they are not.

I believe the county is rather healthy financially, but your overall point regarding public subsidizing of private sports stadiums is certainly not without merit.

 

[GoSU96]

Best moments:
JeremyCuse dad melting down during the Louisville game 2011

DCCuse challenges JeremyCuse to a drunken pop a shot game during the North Carolina hoops beat down at MSG.

A syrfan hoops game watching incident involving sutomcat and “the lady of Rosie’s” who wandered into the bar at noon already drunk.

That last one was classic

I don't think I was there for that NC game, but that seems to be a pattern for DC

 

[OttoMets]

You put a AAA team too close to your core market area, you might lose some of of your fans. Newark is also a problem because their ballpark is slated to be knocked down for a commerical/residential project.

Bears & Eagles Riverfront Stadium - Wikipedia

The Mets already have their AA team in Binghamton. There will be regular traffic from their AAA club to and from their AA club and from the AAA club and CitiField. You want a location close to the AA club and close but not too close to the major league location.

Syracuse is well located. I think they want to make money from their AAA club though and to do that, people have to attend the games. I will attend more once the vile National vermin prospects are evicted at the end of this season.

'Like' for the gratuitous shot at the Natinals. Love it. Glad Murph's out of there now, too.

I agree with your assessment of core market area (though I still have no idea what the Braves are thinking) and was already second-guessing my Uniondale speculation because of that - there are probably people in Nassau and eastern Suffolk counties who currently will drive to Citi Field but would reduce their annual trips to Flushing if there were a nearby AAA option. So Uniondale is probably less likely for that reason.

As far as Newark or Albany, though, the Wilpons have access to data that the rest of us never see. Syracuse is a great spot, no doubt about it. But if they get some hard numbers that show that a wealthier East Coast city might be a penetrable market for them, they'll jump for it.

I really hope New York and Onondaga County slow down and make a smart decision to help the Mets stay up here for decades.

 

[IthacaMatt]

'Like' for the gratuitous shot at the Natinals. Love it. Glad Murph's out of there now, too.

I agree with your assessment of core market area (though I still have no idea what the Braves are thinking) and was already second-guessing my Uniondale speculation because of that - there are probably people in Nassau and eastern Suffolk counties who currently will drive to Citi Field but would reduce their annual trips to Flushing if there were a nearby AAA option. So Uniondale is probably less likely for that reason.

As far as Newark or Albany, though, the Wilpons have access to data that the rest of us never see. Syracuse is a great spot, no doubt about it. But if they get some hard numbers that show that a wealthier East Coast city might be a penetrable market for them, they'll jump for it.

I really hope New York and Onondaga County slow down and make a smart decision to help the Mets stay up here for decades.

I hate to say it, but Albany has a better and more sustainable economy, thanks to the capital being there, and all the nearby recreational attractions. It's also closer to NYC. I would not be shocked to see the Mets move the franchise there.

 

[OttoMets]

I hate to say it, but Albany has a better and more sustainable economy, thanks to the capital being there, and all the nearby recreational attractions. It's also closer to NYC. I would not be shocked to see the Mets move the franchise there.

There must be a reason that Albany's had no pro baseball at this level for decades. I don't know what that is.

But if the Mets commission a study that shows they could get 6,500 people a night at a higher price point there than in Syracuse, they will be out of here.

 

[Fly Rodder]

There must be a reason that Albany's had no pro baseball at this level for decades. I don't know what that is.

Probably because of the development & political grifters that want their share of the pie.

Having a AAA team in Syracuse has to be one of the more inexpensive locations.

I don't know how the economics all shake out, but the baseball games are decent enough to attend and I do like the ample parking as a suburbanite. That said, they really dropped the ball by putting the stadium way the heck out there and not downtown in the Kennedy Square location.

 

[sutomcat]

There must be a reason that Albany's had no pro baseball at this level for decades. I don't know what that is.

But if the Mets commission a study that shows they could get 6,500 people a night at a higher price point there than in Syracuse, they will be out of here.

Albany has always been an awful sports town and I suspect most of the big money there is out of town most of the summer, which probably accounts for their current status regarding pro baseball. I am not worried about that city stealing the Chiefs.

But your point stands. If the Mets think they can make more money elsewhere, they will probably leave Syracuse, even if it is really well located. I assume we as a city have until the lease expired in the mid 2020s to prove we deserve AAA baseball. I hope we can do it.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Albany had the Yankees AA team in the 90’s when all their best prospects were coming up(Pettite/Posada/Jeter/Rivera) and they still couldn’t draw.

 

[shandeezy7]

Albany had the Yankees double AA team in the 90’s when all their best prospects were coming up(Pettite/Posada/Jeter/Rivera) and they still couldn’t draw.

They also lost their AHL team recently, so there must be some issue there that makes it not a good pro sports city.

 

[OttoMets]

Albany has always been an awful sports town and I suspect most of the big money there is out of town most of the summer, which probably accounts for their current status regarding pro baseball. I am not worried about that city stealing the Chiefs.

But your point stands. If the Mets think they can make more money elsewhere, they will probably leave Syracuse, even if it is really well located. I assume we as a city have until the lease expired in the mid 2020s to prove we deserve AAA baseball. I hope we can do it.

Very good point.

 

[shandeezy7]

Joanie Mahoney talks I-81 with Cuomo at NYS Fair; says she likes tunnel idea

 

[OttoMets]

Joanie Mahoney talks I-81 with Cuomo at NYS Fair; says she likes tunnel idea

She knows better. What a contemptible individual she is.

And what a dope Cuomo sounds like. Infrastructure? Building a completely unnecessary expo hall to compete with the empty and publicly subsidized OCC arena, which competes with the empty and publicly subsidized OnCenter? This is how we make Upstate a better place, with a cheap shed that doesn't even match the existing architecture? Ugh.

 

[shandeezy7]

She knows better. What a contemptible individual she is.

And what a dope Cuomo sounds like. Infrastructure? Building a completely unnecessary expo hall to compete with the empty and publicly subsidized OCC arena, which competes with the empty and publicly subsidized OnCenter? This is how we make Upstate a better place, with a cheap shed that doesn't even match the existing architecture? Ugh.

Haha yeah I literally laughed out loud at that comment. What in the actual heck is he talking about?

 

[TexanMark]

Joanie spearheaded the Amphitheater when the Mayor turned off the stadium. Sounds like the Amphitheater has been a nice addition.

The big barn at the State Fair seats about 4000 right? I see it getting used. OCC is a horrible location.

 

[shandeezy7]

Joanie spearheaded the Amphitheater when the Mayor turned off the stadium. Sounds like the Amphitheater has been a nice addition.

The big barn at the State Fair seats about 4000 right? I see it getting used. OCC is a horrible location.

Yeah, the OCC arena was a serious misuse of taxpayer money, IMO. Where was the demand for something like that in that location? How did it possibly make sense for the county to create a facility that directly competes with another facility that it owns? I could see there being some value added with the new expo center at the fairgrounds, but I'm not sure how much.

 

[OttoMets]

Joanie spearheaded the Amphitheater when the Mayor turned off the stadium. Sounds like the Amphitheater has been a nice addition.

The big barn at the State Fair seats about 4000 right? I see it getting used. OCC is a horrible location.

Agree about OCC.

The common theme among these Mahoney/Cuomo projects is lack of planning. The Amphitheater's pretty, and it's improved the big concert scene in Onondaga County by, I dunno, infinity percent.

But they're never gonna solve the access problems because they dropped a 17,000-seat venue on a peninsula where people can only reach it through one gate. And they wrecked a nice new public park to build it. (The West Shore Trail is cut off by the venue and the county allows the promoter to totally shut it down for big windows of time around shows.)

These two go for the quick big splash over doing things the right way.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Yeah, the OCC arena was a serious misuse of taxpayer money, IMO. Where was the demand for something like that in that location? How did it possibly make sense for the county to create a facility that directly competes with another facility that it owns? I could see there being some value added with the new expo center at the fairgrounds, but I'm not sure how much.

If OCC had a hockey team, it might make more sense. I believe it is also the new home of high school indoor track meets in CNY.

 

[OttoMets]

If OCC had a hockey team, it might make more sense. I believe it is also the new home of high school indoor track meets in CNY.

It does help pick up the indoor track void created when SU gutted Manley a few years ago.

Speaking of an institution with horrendous planning...

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

Albany has always been an awful sports town and I suspect most of the big money there is out of town most of the summer, which probably accounts for their current status regarding pro baseball. I am not worried about that city stealing the Chiefs.

But your point stands. If the Mets think they can make more money elsewhere, they will probably leave Syracuse, even if it is really well located. I assume we as a city have until the lease expired in the mid 2020s to prove we deserve AAA baseball. I hope we can do it.

Albany had the Yankees AA team in the 90’s when all their best prospects were coming up(Pettite/Posada/Jeter/Rivera) and they still couldn’t draw.

They also lost their AHL team recently, so there must be some issue there that makes it not a good pro sports city.

I think AHL hockey is harmed here by a lot of factors- general indifference about the sport; lack of connection to the parent organization; arena being overly large causing an empty/not-happening vibe, etc. Frankly, Albany doesnt deserve an AHL franchise. Nearby Glens Falls probably does though, but i digress.

The Capital District has a short-season A baseball team affiliated with the Houston Astros, and draws about the same per game as Syracuse. FWIW, the stadium is outside of Troy, on the campus of a local community college, not in proximity to any downtown, and an area where many native Albanians would not be caught-dead going. That should provide some pause for the relocating-the-stadium crowd. My guess is an affiliation with the Mets would bring about 1000-1500 or more fans per game.

Albany did just start its second stab at arena football and drew about 9600 fans per game, which i understand is respectable.

All-in-all, i dont see the area making a play for the Mets.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Went to the fair last night. The Expo center is a beautiful and massive building. Hope they get some use out of it.