Development in and Around Syracuse Discussion

[orange_in_VA]

The wegmans in Virginia Beach is insane.

My mom was really happy when she found out that one was coming. She lives 5 minutes away from it.

 

[Noexcuse]

Price Chopper put one in Saratoga Springs...

Like most things price chopper - it sux.

The concept of their Saratoga Springs store is exactly what's needed though. Bottom floor of a building with apartments (condos) in the floors above. Would love to see Healthy Living Market or The Fresh Market come to downtown. Have been to both in Saratoga and they seem like they would fit right in to an upscale urban setting.

 

[JeffCuse]

Hey I know Chucks claimed it was going to reopen somewhere. I’ve been out of the loop. Anyone know if that is still in play? Any movement along those lines?

 

[shandeezy7]

Hey I know Chucks claimed it was going to reopen somewhere. I’ve been out of the loop. Anyone know if that is still in play? Any movement along those lines?

They were supposed to go into the new building that took its place, but since I believe they filed a lawsuit against the developers, those plans are shot. Haven't heard anything new, but there aren't really any other places currently available on the Hill for them to occupy, that I know of.

 

[Millhouse]

There are tens of millions of people in Europe, Japan, China who would disagree with you.

lots of people don't know what the term "public good" means

non rivalrous and non excludeable

clean air public good. I can't exclude you from breathing it (non-excludeable) and you breathing it doesn't reduce my ability to breath it (non-rivalrous)

national defense public good. i can't exclude you from being defended by our military and you getting defended doesn't reduce the benefit I get

train not a public good. easy to exclude people who don't pay (excludeable). me taking a seat means one less seat for everyone else (rivalrous)

most people think of public good as "something I think is nice and would love to not have to pay for"

 

[longtimefan]

lots of people don't know what the term "public good" means

non rivalrous and non excludeable

clean air public good. I can't exclude you from breathing it (non-excludeable) and you breathing it doesn't reduce my ability to breath it (non-rivalrous)

national defense public good. i can't exclude you from being defended by our military and you getting defended doesn't reduce the benefit I get

train not a public good. easy to exclude people who don't pay (excludeable). me taking a seat means one less seat for everyone else (rivalrous)

most people think of public good as "something I think is nice and would love to not have to pay for"

If more people are able to avail themselves of good public transportation, the air becomes cleaner.

As to national defense--the money needs to be spent wisely. A real argument that this is not happening made by Bret Stephens (from the right) making the point that our billion-dollar systems are vulnerable to our potential adversaries' million-dollar systems.

 

[reedny]

lots of people don't know what the term "public good" means

non rivalrous and non excludeable

clean air public good. I can't exclude you from breathing it (non-excludeable) and you breathing it doesn't reduce my ability to breath it (non-rivalrous)

national defense public good. i can't exclude you from being defended by our military and you getting defended doesn't reduce the benefit I get

train not a public good. easy to exclude people who don't pay (excludeable). me taking a seat means one less seat for everyone else (rivalrous)

most people think of public good as "something I think is nice and would love to not have to pay for"

Lol. You crack me up with this definitional silliness. Everything the government does costs money, and we all pay. The courthouse has a metal detector and a finite number of seats - should we burn it down because some are excluded? The NYS thruway holds a finite number of cars and has a toll ... should we tear it up? Maybe you should find an island somewhere with a spear and a photo of Gary Johnson.

 

[Millhouse]

Lol. You crack me up with this definitional silliness. Everything the government does costs money, and we all pay. The courthouse has a metal detector and a finite number of seats - should we burn it down because some are excluded? The NYS thruway holds a finite number of cars and has a toll ... should we tear it up? Maybe you should find an island somewhere with a spear and a photo of Gary Johnson.

we have a courthouse as part of our police system which is a public good (you can't exclude people from the benefits of police protection and the benefits i get from us having laws and police doesn't reduce the benefits you get)

 

[Millhouse]

Lol. You crack me up with this definitional silliness. Everything the government does costs money, and we all pay. The courthouse has a metal detector and a finite number of seats - should we burn it down because some are excluded? The NYS thruway holds a finite number of cars and has a toll ... should we tear it up? Maybe you should find an island somewhere with a spear and a photo of Gary Johnson.

you guys get to say "public good" when trying to convince people to pay for what you want but when I talk about what the term actually means, you think it's definitional silliness

 

[reedny]

you guys get to say "public good" when trying to convince people to pay for what you want but when I talk about what the term actually means, you think it's definitional silliness

Trains are hardly a pet project. They're part of the transportation infrastructure - a huge, interstate system that has to be built and maintained (toll or no toll) by the government. Cost is a constant for every government activity, whether it's paid for through a fee, a toll or a tax. The fact that some public services are diffuse (provided to the general population, e.g., the military) while others "exclude", i.e., serve a certain geographic area or a large group, is meaningless. Mass transit benefits the general population - even those who don't drive - because it reduces traffic and lowers road maintenance costs. Should we scrap the NYC subway because some citizens live upstate? Should we tear up the NYS thruway system because not everyone drives? Should we burn down the libraries and concert halls because some can't read or don't appreciate performing arts? Your world-view is primitive - like Fury Road.

 

[Phillymoose]

you guys get to say "public good" when trying to convince people to pay for what you want but when I talk about what the term actually means, you think it's definitional silliness

Which is the stronger logical connection? Courthouse metal-detectors and general police activities vs. mass transit and pollution?

 

[CusefanATL]

I wish we had a Wegmans here (north of the ATL).

there are about 100 Wegmans north of the ATL though Moontan!

 

[Moontan]

there are about 100 Wegmans north of the ATL though Moontan!

True, though not readily accessible.

 

[OrangeMojo]

This thread sucks - it is definitely not a public good

 

[sufandu]

I don't blame them. How many people that normally take 81 to get to Destiny will stop going when access is more difficult.

 

[Rocketlax44]

81-481-690-81 adds 8 mins.

 

[xc84]

81-481-690-81 adds 8 mins.
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Coming from the North will be unchanged and from West and East about the same. Also, coming from the south, if you decide not to do 481, you have only 1.4 miles of "grid" with the rest being highway. Will probably add a couple minutes at most.

 

[xc84]

If someone in Tully wants to go to the mall, they will still go...probably by 81/81 Spur and 1.4 miles of non-highway "grid".

 

[FrancoPizza]

Coming from the North will be unchanged and from West and East about the same. Also, coming from the south, if you decide not to do 481, you have only 1.4 miles of "grid" with the rest being highway. Will probably add a couple minutes at most.

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Just looking at that pic, someone would have to be an idiot to take the 481-690 loop.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Just looking at that pic, someone would have to be an idiot to take the 481-690 loop.

Some people hate traffic lights. As long as they keep moving at 55 MPH, they have the illusion that they're getting there faster, even though they're traveling farther.

 

[xc84]

Some people hate traffic lights. As long as they keep moving at 55 MPH, they have the illusion that they're getting there faster, even though they're traveling farther.

I hate lights but would not make that 8 mile jog to avoid 1.4 miles with some lights.

 

[sufandu]

Some people hate traffic lights. As long as they keep moving at 55 MPH, they have the illusion that they're getting there faster, even though they're traveling farther.

And people that don't live in or near downtowns don't know their way around areas they only go to a few times a year. It's much easier for them to be able to take an exit that dumps them off directly where they want to be. The way it is now, they don't have to go 8 miles out of the way or deal with lights. Destiny would like to keep as close to that as possible.

 

[xc84]

And people that don't live in or near downtowns don't know their way around areas they only go to a few times a year. It's much easier for them to be able to take an exit that dumps them off directly where they want to be. The way it is now, they don't have to go 8 miles out of the way or deal with lights. Destiny would like to keep as close to that as possible.

There will be an exit on the 81 spur that will drop them off right at Destiny. Of course Destiny wants it the way it is now and of course in a perfect world there are no traffic lights. However, all things considered, the grid option will be fine for Destiny and once people get used to it, we'll all forget why it was such a big deal.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

There will be an exit on the 81 spur that will drop them off right at Destiny. Of course Destiny wants it the way it is now and of course in a perfect world there are no traffic lights. However, all things considered, the grid option will be fine for Destiny and once people get used to it, we'll all forget why it was such a big deal.

When the project is finished, people are going to wonder what all the fuss was about.

Of course, it's going to suck living here for the next 10 years until it's finished.

 

[sufandu]

There will be an exit on the 81 spur that will drop them off right at Destiny. Of course Destiny wants it the way it is now and of course in a perfect world there are no traffic lights. However, all things considered, the grid option will be fine for Destiny and once people get used to it, we'll all forget why it was such a big deal.

Will there be one in both directions? They're not worried about people that already don't mind dealing with Syracuse traffic, like the people on this board that go to SU games frequently or live 5 miles away. They're worried about the people that live 30+ miles away that didn't mind going as long as it was convenient. If it becomes inconvenient for them, they may choose to go elsewhere. That's business they don't want to lose.