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I don't blame them. How many people that normally take 81 to get to Destiny will stop going when access is more difficult.
 
81-481-690-81 adds 8 mins.
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Coming from the North will be unchanged and from West and East about the same. Also, coming from the south, if you decide not to do 481, you have only 1.4 miles of "grid" with the rest being highway. Will probably add a couple minutes at most.

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Just looking at that pic, someone would have to be an idiot to take the 481-690 loop.
 
Just looking at that pic, someone would have to be an idiot to take the 481-690 loop.

Some people hate traffic lights. As long as they keep moving at 55 MPH, they have the illusion that they're getting there faster, even though they're traveling farther.
 
Some people hate traffic lights. As long as they keep moving at 55 MPH, they have the illusion that they're getting there faster, even though they're traveling farther.
And people that don't live in or near downtowns don't know their way around areas they only go to a few times a year. It's much easier for them to be able to take an exit that dumps them off directly where they want to be. The way it is now, they don't have to go 8 miles out of the way or deal with lights. Destiny would like to keep as close to that as possible.
 
And people that don't live in or near downtowns don't know their way around areas they only go to a few times a year. It's much easier for them to be able to take an exit that dumps them off directly where they want to be. The way it is now, they don't have to go 8 miles out of the way or deal with lights. Destiny would like to keep as close to that as possible.
There will be an exit on the 81 spur that will drop them off right at Destiny. Of course Destiny wants it the way it is now and of course in a perfect world there are no traffic lights. However, all things considered, the grid option will be fine for Destiny and once people get used to it, we'll all forget why it was such a big deal.
 
There will be an exit on the 81 spur that will drop them off right at Destiny. Of course Destiny wants it the way it is now and of course in a perfect world there are no traffic lights. However, all things considered, the grid option will be fine for Destiny and once people get used to it, we'll all forget why it was such a big deal.

When the project is finished, people are going to wonder what all the fuss was about.

Of course, it's going to suck living here for the next 10 years until it's finished.
 
There will be an exit on the 81 spur that will drop them off right at Destiny. Of course Destiny wants it the way it is now and of course in a perfect world there are no traffic lights. However, all things considered, the grid option will be fine for Destiny and once people get used to it, we'll all forget why it was such a big deal.
Will there be one in both directions? They're not worried about people that already don't mind dealing with Syracuse traffic, like the people on this board that go to SU games frequently or live 5 miles away. They're worried about the people that live 30+ miles away that didn't mind going as long as it was convenient. If it becomes inconvenient for them, they may choose to go elsewhere. That's business they don't want to lose.
 
Will there be one in both directions? They're not worried about people that already don't mind dealing with Syracuse traffic, like the people on this board that go to SU games frequently or live 5 miles away. They're worried about the people that live 30+ miles away that didn't mind going as long as it was convenient. If it becomes inconvenient for them, they may choose to go elsewhere. That's business they don't want to lose.
Coming from the North, no change. Come from the south, there will be 1.4 miles of boulevard. I believe the highway starts up again prior to Destiny so they would use an exit from it to get to mall.
 
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Coming from the North, no change. Come from the south, there will be 1.4 miles of boulevard. I believe the highway starts up again prior to Destiny so they would used exit from it to get to mall.
It's those people from the south then, that they are worried about losing. As someone that grew up 30 minutes from Destiny, any change that would have made it less convenient would have deterred me. Keep in mind, Destiny doesn't care about the health of downtown, nor should they. They are worried about their business. Anything that they see as a threat to that they will want to fight.
 
And people that don't live in or near downtowns don't know their way around areas they only go to a few times a year. ...

If getting lost driving to a mall is a concern for someone in 2019, then I'm not convinced they'd be able to find their way to the correct store in the mall or find their credit card in their wallet.
 
It's those people from the south then, that they are worried about losing. As someone that grew up 30 minutes from Destiny, any change that would have made it less convenient would have deterred me. Keep in mind, Destiny doesn't care about the health of downtown, nor should they. They are worried about their business. Anything that they see as a threat to that they will want to fight.
Of course they (Destiny) are worried. They should be worried... about Amazon, not I-81.
 
It's those people from the south then, that they are worried about losing. As someone that grew up 30 minutes from Destiny, any change that would have made it less convenient would have deterred me.
Keep in mind, Destiny doesn't care about the health of downtown, nor should they. They are worried about their business. Anything that they see as a threat to that they will want to fight.
You're obviously not a shopaholic. A very large percentage of those who frequent Carousel (it will always be such to me) are.
 
If you're saying that an under 10 minute change would sway you to not go to the mall, then you probably weren't going to go there anyways. And for the through traffic, absolutely nobody is driving through Syracuse, sees the mall, and says to themselves " holy I need to get off this highway RIGHT NOW and get to Macy's"
 
If you're saying that an under 10 minute change would sway you to not go to the mall, then you probably weren't going to go there anyways. And for the through traffic, absolutely nobody is driving through Syracuse, sees the mall, and says to themselves " holy I need to get off this highway RIGHT NOW and get to Macy's"
Not true on the first part. Everyone has what they consider their limit, about 30 minutes was mine. And I hate dealing with downtowns, not just Syracuse, but any city. I went to Carousel quite a bit when I lived in CNY and went to Armory Square twice in my life. I know I'm not the only person like that. Not everyone loves the city. Some people go there for specific things. The less convenient it is, the less likely some are to go. Maybe some people on here don't understand that. My guess is most of those have grown up in the city.
 
If getting lost driving to a mall is a concern for someone in 2019, then I'm not convinced they'd be able to find their way to the correct store in the mall or find their credit card in their wallet.
When I lived in CNY I hated driving around downtown and avoided it like the plague. I liked going to Carousel because it was convenient to hop off 81 right there. There are people like that. Not everyone wants to live in an urban area, cares about downtown, or wants to drive in or through it. Oh, and I had no problem finding my way around the mall. Where do you live?
 
Not true on the first part. Everyone has what they consider their limit, about 30 minutes was mine. And I hate dealing with downtowns, not just Syracuse, but any city. I went to Carousel quite a bit when I lived in CNY and went to Armory Square twice in my life. I know I'm not the only person like that. Not everyone loves the city. Some people go there for specific things. The less convenient it is, the less likely some are to go. Maybe some people on here don't understand that. My guess is most of those have grown up in the city.
Well, there are many like me who go to Armory Square and not the mall. It will make some happier and others sadder I guess. Such is life.
 
When I lived in CNY I hated driving around downtown and avoided it like the plague. I liked going to Carousel because it was convenient to hop off 81 right there. There are people like that. Not everyone wants to live in an urban area, cares about downtown, or wants to drive in or through it. Oh, and I had no problem finding my way around the mall. Where do you live?

Alright, and not everyone wants to have a major highway cut through the middle of downtown when other options exist. Especially when rebuilding said highway will result in dozens of buildings being demolished. On this issue, the opinions of city residents should far outweigh those who literally do not care about the city (like you), especially when it is a minor inconvenience, at worst.
 
Whether you like or hate the mall or Congel or whoever, I think it's safe to say they've done their market research and felt it was worth spending millions to try to save 81. Everyone on here proclaims to be an expert in this stuff.
 

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