Development in and Around Syracuse Discussion

[xc84]

Will there be one in both directions? They're not worried about people that already don't mind dealing with Syracuse traffic, like the people on this board that go to SU games frequently or live 5 miles away. They're worried about the people that live 30+ miles away that didn't mind going as long as it was convenient. If it becomes inconvenient for them, they may choose to go elsewhere. That's business they don't want to lose.

Coming from the North, no change. Come from the south, there will be 1.4 miles of boulevard. I believe the highway starts up again prior to Destiny so they would use an exit from it to get to mall.

 

[sufandu]

Coming from the North, no change. Come from the south, there will be 1.4 miles of boulevard. I believe the highway starts up again prior to Destiny so they would used exit from it to get to mall.

It's those people from the south then, that they are worried about losing. As someone that grew up 30 minutes from Destiny, any change that would have made it less convenient would have deterred me. Keep in mind, Destiny doesn't care about the health of downtown, nor should they. They are worried about their business. Anything that they see as a threat to that they will want to fight.

 

[OttoMets]

And people that don't live in or near downtowns don't know their way around areas they only go to a few times a year. ...

If getting lost driving to a mall is a concern for someone in 2019, then I'm not convinced they'd be able to find their way to the correct store in the mall or find their credit card in their wallet.

 

[xc84]

It's those people from the south then, that they are worried about losing. As someone that grew up 30 minutes from Destiny, any change that would have made it less convenient would have deterred me. Keep in mind, Destiny doesn't care about the health of downtown, nor should they. They are worried about their business. Anything that they see as a threat to that they will want to fight.

Of course they (Destiny) are worried. They should be worried... about Amazon, not I-81.

 

[longtimefan]

It's those people from the south then, that they are worried about losing. As someone that grew up 30 minutes from Destiny, any change that would have made it less convenient would have deterred me.
Keep in mind, Destiny doesn't care about the health of downtown, nor should they. They are worried about their business. Anything that they see as a threat to that they will want to fight.

You're obviously not a shopaholic. A very large percentage of those who frequent Carousel (it will always be such to me) are.

 

[wiseman3]

If you're saying that an under 10 minute change would sway you to not go to the mall, then you probably weren't going to go there anyways. And for the through traffic, absolutely nobody is driving through Syracuse, sees the mall, and says to themselves " holy I need to get off this highway RIGHT NOW and get to Macy's"

 

[sufandu]

If you're saying that an under 10 minute change would sway you to not go to the mall, then you probably weren't going to go there anyways. And for the through traffic, absolutely nobody is driving through Syracuse, sees the mall, and says to themselves " holy I need to get off this highway RIGHT NOW and get to Macy's"

Not true on the first part. Everyone has what they consider their limit, about 30 minutes was mine. And I hate dealing with downtowns, not just Syracuse, but any city. I went to Carousel quite a bit when I lived in CNY and went to Armory Square twice in my life. I know I'm not the only person like that. Not everyone loves the city. Some people go there for specific things. The less convenient it is, the less likely some are to go. Maybe some people on here don't understand that. My guess is most of those have grown up in the city.

 

[sufandu]

If getting lost driving to a mall is a concern for someone in 2019, then I'm not convinced they'd be able to find their way to the correct store in the mall or find their credit card in their wallet.

When I lived in CNY I hated driving around downtown and avoided it like the plague. I liked going to Carousel because it was convenient to hop off 81 right there. There are people like that. Not everyone wants to live in an urban area, cares about downtown, or wants to drive in or through it. Oh, and I had no problem finding my way around the mall. Where do you live?

 

[xc84]

Not true on the first part. Everyone has what they consider their limit, about 30 minutes was mine. And I hate dealing with downtowns, not just Syracuse, but any city. I went to Carousel quite a bit when I lived in CNY and went to Armory Square twice in my life. I know I'm not the only person like that. Not everyone loves the city. Some people go there for specific things. The less convenient it is, the less likely some are to go. Maybe some people on here don't understand that. My guess is most of those have grown up in the city.

Well, there are many like me who go to Armory Square and not the mall. It will make some happier and others sadder I guess. Such is life.

 

[shandeezy7]

When I lived in CNY I hated driving around downtown and avoided it like the plague. I liked going to Carousel because it was convenient to hop off 81 right there. There are people like that. Not everyone wants to live in an urban area, cares about downtown, or wants to drive in or through it. Oh, and I had no problem finding my way around the mall. Where do you live?

Alright, and not everyone wants to have a major highway cut through the middle of downtown when other options exist. Especially when rebuilding said highway will result in dozens of buildings being demolished. On this issue, the opinions of city residents should far outweigh those who literally do not care about the city (like you), especially when it is a minor inconvenience, at worst.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Whether you like or hate the mall or Congel or whoever, I think it's safe to say they've done their market research and felt it was worth spending millions to try to save 81. Everyone on here proclaims to be an expert in this stuff.

 

[shandeezy7]

Whether you like or hate the mall or Congel or whoever, I think it's safe to say they've done their market research and felt it was worth spending millions to try to save 81. Everyone on here proclaims to be an expert in this stuff.

They are defaulting on loan payments with full access to 81 through the city currently. Methinks maybe they have other problems that need solving that are affecting their bottom line far more than this.

 

[Atlcuse44]

People are so soft these days. When I was younger and lived up there, I ran the gauntlet down Hiawatha past the sewage treatment plant with its aromatic emissions to get to Carousel/Hooters.

 

[longtimefan]

They are defaulting on loan payments with full access to 81 through the city currently. Methinks maybe they have other problems that need solving that are affecting their bottom line far more than this.

Sorta like the Wizard of Oz. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain." Classic misdirection.

 

[Cusefan0307]

One thing that is certain is the suburbs should have zero say what happens to 81. Those same people would have a fit if the city had any say in their planning or development.

 

[shandeezy7]

I know this isn't the OT board, but this takedown of Katko and his I-81 flip-flopping is worth posting. Click on it for the whole thread.

 

[CuseOnly]

Will there be one in both directions? They're not worried about people that already don't mind dealing with Syracuse traffic, like the people on this board that go to SU games frequently or live 5 miles away. They're worried about the people that live 30+ miles away that didn't mind going as long as it was convenient. If it becomes inconvenient for them, they may choose to go elsewhere. That's business they don't want to lose.

Where else are they gonna go exactly when those traffic lights or 8 miles at 70mph are too inconvenient...Great Northern is gone, same with Shoppingtown and Penn Can...

Sangertown? Erie Blvd? Where?

I'll wait.

 

[KellySyracuse]

I know this isn't the OT board, but this takedown of Katko and his I-81 flip-flopping is worth posting. Click on it for the whole thread.

it looks like the tweet has been deleted, can you post who wrote it?

Edit: nevermind, I got it.

 

[shandeezy7]

so after this gets them nowhere - do they file some sort of legal action when the official decision is made?

I figured whichever option was chosen, there would be lawsuits galore from the opposition. Maybe this project will actually get done before the viaduct collapses and kills a bunch of people.

 

[jr4750]

is Destiny still a viable entity when the project is finished?

Perhaps, if they adapt, but it's certainly not a slam dunk. Here's an example.

Malls are filling their empty spaces with doctor's offices

As malls search for innovative ways to draw in shoppers and fill empty storefronts, they are turning to unexpected partners: health clinics.

www.cnn.com

 

[FrancoPizza]

Perhaps, if they adapt, but it's certainly not a slam dunk. Here's an example.

Malls are filling their empty spaces with doctor's offices

As malls search for innovative ways to draw in shoppers and fill empty storefronts, they are turning to unexpected partners: health clinics.

www.cnn.com

I think they are trying to adapt, but they'll need to diversify beyond entertainment and dining. The health care link you provided is a good read.

 

[OttoMets]

Perhaps, if they adapt, but it's certainly not a slam dunk. Here's an example.

Malls are filling their empty spaces with doctor's offices

As malls search for innovative ways to draw in shoppers and fill empty storefronts, they are turning to unexpected partners: health clinics.

www.cnn.com

I'm seeing a lot of this. The Atrium in Chestnut Hill did something similar after years of struggling to compete against the Bloomingdale's shopping center across the street. Smaller neighborhood shopping plazas around Upstate have gone this route after losing an anchor tenant. And of course The Galleries in Syracuse shifted its tenant mix from mostly retail to mostly office over the last couple decades.

 

[Newhouser]

I think they are trying to adapt, but they'll need to diversify beyond entertainment and dining. The health care link you provided is a good read.

Adapting and adjusting would require some massive egos to say "well we were wrong on retail"....not my experience that the group that operates the mall is big on looking in the mirror.

 

[xc84]

It doesn't matter much to me which option actually gets done, but I am amused by your characterizing the people who want the most expensive option (the tunnel) as "conservatives" and the people who favor the least expensive option (the grid) as "liberals."

Liberals embrace change and conservatives,by nature, like the status quo.

 

[reedny]

I'm seeing a lot of this. The Atrium in Chestnut Hill did something similar after years of struggling to compete against the Bloomingdale's shopping center across the street. Smaller neighborhood shopping plazas around Upstate have gone this route after losing an anchor tenant. And of course The Galleries in Syracuse shifted its tenant mix from mostly retail to mostly office over the last couple decades.

I know it's radical, but in tough times mall owners could always deloy the nuclear option: make rent reasonable.