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Development in and Around Syracuse Discussion

I've thought for many years that Syracuse would be a great warehouse/trucking distribution center. The Thruway east and west, 81 north and south. Geographically perfectly positioned to serve most of the northeast.

Never could figure out why it didn't happen.
 
bevosu said:
I've thought for many years that Syracuse would be a great warehouse/trucking distribution center. The Thruway east and west, 81 north and south. Geographically perfectly positioned to serve most of the northeast.

Never could figure out why it didn't happen.
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I work for a corporation that has a distribution center here. It services NY, parts of Vermont and central PA. Our warehouse has about 150 employees give or take so whoever is interested in this plot of land is a big fish.
 
bevosu said:
I've thought for many years that Syracuse would be a great warehouse/trucking distribution center. The Thruway east and west, 81 north and south. Geographically perfectly positioned to serve most of the northeast.

Never could figure out why it didn't happen.
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Perhaps many of the large distribution centers in Scranton have taken away some of that opportunity for CNY? Right at the crossroads of 81 and the Pennsylvania Turnpike. Easy access north to New York, west to Pittsburgh and the major midwestern cities, south to Philly, DC/Baltimore, etc. and east to NYC and Boston.
 
shandeezy7 said:
Perhaps many of the large distribution centers in Scranton have taken away some of that opportunity for CNY? Right at the crossroads of 81 and the Pennsylvania Turnpike. Easy access north to New York, west to Pittsburgh and the major midwestern cities, south to Philly, DC/Baltimore, etc. and east to NYC and Boston.
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Let us not forget our friends to the north.
 
shandeezy7 said:
Perhaps many of the large distribution centers in Scranton have taken away some of that opportunity for CNY? Right at the crossroads of 81 and the Pennsylvania Turnpike. Easy access north to New York, west to Pittsburgh and the major midwestern cities, south to Philly, DC/Baltimore, etc. and east to NYC and Boston.
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I'm sure you've driven on those interstate highways around Scranton ;)

You do raise an interesting point.
 
interesting article about a proposed DC in Memphis with similar specs as the one proposed in Clay

www.commercialappeal.com

A massive warehouse is planned for North Memphis. Could it be Amazon?

If the warehouse planned in Raleigh gets built, it stands to be a hub of\u00a0job creation in northern Memphis. But what company is behind it? Is it Amazon?
www.commercialappeal.com www.commercialappeal.com

"Based simply on its size — five stories and possibly more than 4 million square feet on a 99-acre plot of land — elected officials have estimated that it could create at least 1,000 jobs. Its parking lot — 1,828 car and 200 truck spaces plus an area that could be used to add future parking — indicates the possibility of even more hiring.

While many of the specifics of the development dubbed "Project Iris" were included in an application to change zoning ordinances to allow for the building, key pieces of information were also missing. At the top of the list is what company would occupy the building.

For now, most signs seem to be pointing in one direction: Amazon, which did not immediately respond to a request for comment."
 
I'd like to have a better answer for this, but I don't.

My understanding is that part of the problem is a chicken-or-egg situation: Central New York's industrial building stock is badly dated, so it's difficult to get national firms to lease existing space; it's also difficult to get the space built, because nobody's leasing (at competitive rates at least).

We've got millions of square feet of vacant but fairly useless (by modern standards) space in the market -- think of the vacant General Motors and Magna/NPG complexes -- in pretty good locations. Unfortunately, they're in those locations for a reason and now present obstacles to redevelopment. I think FedEx or a developer did a good job building a new facility on a portion of the NPG property, but that's not a big building.

TLDR: the good sites are taken by bad buildings.
 
OttoMets said:
I'd like to have a better answer for this, but I don't.

My understanding is that part of the problem is a chicken-or-egg situation: Central New York's industrial building stock is badly dated, so it's difficult to get national firms to lease existing space; it's also difficult to get the space built, because nobody's leasing (at competitive rates at least).

We've got millions of square feet of vacant but fairly useless (by modern standards) space in the market -- think of the vacant General Motors and Magna/NPG complexes -- in pretty good locations. Unfortunately, they're in those locations for a reason and now present obstacles to redevelopment. I think FedEx or a developer did a good job building a new facility on a portion of the NPG property, but that's not a big building.

TLDR: the good sites are taken by bad buildings.
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Some of those huge empty mfg sites also carry the possible liability of future heavy metal etc cleanups.
 
Cheriehoop said:
Some of those huge empty mfg sites also carry the possible liability of future heavy metal etc cleanups.
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Good call. I think it's not a coincidence that two of the largest completed or proposed industrial developments in CNY in recent memory are on golf courses. No so much liability there.
 
Cheriehoop said:
It’s a shame that when a mfg leaves that there isn’t a binding legal requirement to clean up the site or tie it in to the lucrative tax breaks they are initially offered.
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Carrier/United hasn't technically left. They still own the campus. It looked like they did complete a cleanup when they demo'd the buildings. But since they own the property, they can remediate to the standards of the property use (so long as there is no contamination migrating offsite). Industrial standards are more lax than commercial and commercial more lax than residential, etc. Cleanups are risk-based so if there is no risk (e.g., people aren't drinking the water or touching the soil, gardening, etc), there will probably be something left in the ground because A) it's obscenely expensive to cleanup subsurface releases and B) there are diminishing returns on any cleanup. The 90% is relatively easy to get. The rest, not so much and that liability remains.

You would never get a developer to sign something like that. Ideally, it would be through the state's brownfield laws, but there's still a liability component that even the state isn't really interested releasing firms from, IIRC. GM, I think, is still on the hook for contamination released from their plant. There's certainly room for improvement in how we, in the northeast especially, transition from legacy industrial activities as a the core of our economy. I think it would take some combination of beefing up the state's superfund and releasing companies /developers from some liability, as well as really incentivizing redevelopment at a local level.
 
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KellySyracuse said:
so what are the possibilities it's a distribution center for Amazon or Walmart? For 1,000 new jobs I'm thinking it has to be one of the big players that is looking to be centrally located near the Thruway and 81.
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Pretty sure it is Scannell who does the Amazon distribution centers. At least that is the case in the Capital District.
 
Shrmdougluvr said:
Pretty sure it is Scannell who does the Amazon distribution centers. At least that is the case in the Capital District.
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Scannell is the developer in the link I posted on the previous page, the proposed site in Memphis that is almost equal in wants as this proposal in Clay.

I'm sure they're out there but I can't think of another corporation that would need that large of a facility. Target maybe?
 
KellySyracuse said:
Scannell is the developer in the link I posted on the previous page, the proposed site in Memphis that is almost equal in wants as this proposal in Clay.

I'm sure they're out there but I can't think of another corporation that would need that large of a facility. Target maybe?
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Target already has a distribution center in Amsterdam. It can't be them.
 
Fly Rodder said:
3.7m SF is enormous and would dwarf all other Amazon facilities according to this link.
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I'm not entirely sure of the accuracy of this link, but if true, this new proposed facility would be the second largest warehouse in the world? That...doesn't seem right.

www.avantauk.com

Top 20 Largest Warehouses In The World

There are some truly huge commercial buildings in the world today, and if you’ve ever wondered what the largest warehouses look like - here are 20 of the biggest.
www.avantauk.com www.avantauk.com
 
shandeezy7 said:
I'm not entirely sure of the accuracy of this link, but if true, this new proposed facility would be the second largest warehouse in the world? That...doesn't seem right.

www.avantauk.com

Top 20 Largest Warehouses In The World

There are some truly huge commercial buildings in the world today, and if you’ve ever wondered what the largest warehouses look like - here are 20 of the biggest.
www.avantauk.com www.avantauk.com
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I think this is the key to why it's so large, they're building up and not out. Someone may have mentioned this earlier in the thread, I don't recall.

"County officials said the warehouse and distribution facility would have a footprint of 820,000 square feet and would rise four or five stories tall."
 
I hate driving my forklift into elevators with other forklift drivers. It's so awkward. We just sit there and stare at the buttons until we reach our respective floors.
 
bozophobe said:
I hate driving my forklift into elevators with other forklift drivers. It's so awkward. We just sit there and stare at the buttons until we reach our respective floors.
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you first, no you first sir, no you first. What floor?

Actually I picture it as one giant vending machine. You have the automat on the one side taking product up to their respective cubes via robotics and product that has been purchased being dropped down chutes into boxes. Wouldn't that be wild
 
bozophobe said:
I hate driving my forklift into elevators with other forklift drivers. It's so awkward. We just sit there and stare at the buttons until we reach our respective floors.
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I used to work as an accountant at Nestles which had multiple floors. Hated inventory when the forklift guys who hated the inventory process (they weren’t alone-lol ) and would cram material on the elevators then push another floor button to avoid tagging and inventorying stuff. It was a ‘catch me if you can’ game to them.
 

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