Development in and Around Syracuse Discussion

[shandeezy7]

New family-run Italian eatery/pizzeria opens in Fayetteville

 

[OttoMets]

New family-run Italian eatery/pizzeria opens in Fayetteville

In a similar vein: What the heck is a ‘brewseum’ and why is it coming to Syracuse’s Inner Harbor?

Sounds cool, I'd check it out.

This was one of the rare times I read the comments section and somebody made a good point - weird that the owner talked all about "81, 690, easy in and easy out" but not about the hundreds of apartments upstairs and within a five-minute walk. Struck me as kind of tacky. Yay, drinking and driving in Central New York.

 

[Fly Rodder]

New family-run Italian eatery/pizzeria opens in Fayetteville

Two new restaurants, a new Honda dealership ... Fayetteville is booming!

Just wait until the old drycleaners, carwash, and verizon store get torn down for the new Trump Tower apartment complex.

 

[shandeezy7]

In a similar vein: What the heck is a ‘brewseum’ and why is it coming to Syracuse’s Inner Harbor?

Sounds cool, I'd check it out.

This was one of the rare times I read the comments section and somebody made a good point - weird that the owner talked all about "81, 690, easy in and easy out" but not about the hundreds of apartments upstairs and within a five-minute walk. Struck me as kind of tacky. Yay, drinking and driving in Central New York.

One of the partners in that project, Dave Collins, was head brewer at Resurgence Brewing and 42 North Brewing, both highly successful in Buffalo.

 

[Cusefan0307]

While the Downtown Committee counts about 4,000 people living Downtown, which they probably define a little more "tightly" to include only the best blocks, a demographics report on people living in Downtown Syracuse counts 6,200 total residents.

Of those 6,200 residents, the population is split almost 50/50 in terms of gender, and the average age of downtown residents is 26 years old. There are 2400 "households" in Downtown Syracuse, of which the average household size is 2 people.

Of those 2400 households, only 800 (1/3) are considered "Family Households" - meaning that 2/3 are roommate situations. Against, another sign pointing to students, and possibly young professionals.

However, of those 6,200 residents, only 1750 have jobs. Thus 72% are students, children or unemployed.

Average Household Income	$37,407.40
Median Household Income	$15,000.00

So, with average rents of over $2,000 per month, it's highly unlikely that a household earning $37,000 can afford the rent. That, too, is more indicative of students living in housing, not working people.

Just hired 3 new graduates for a rotational GDP all making at least 50K and guess what they live near Hanover and Clinton.

 

[shandeezy7]

This article provides a nice perspective from an "outsider." I believe he may be from the Rochester area.

Syracuse Is Looking Good

 

[shandeezy7]

And from the same site, a look back on a favorite board topic:

OnTrack Syracuse: An Odd Transit Experiment That Almost Worked

 

[TexanMark]

ONTrack would have been huge this year. It would really help the parking situation. Sigh

 

[reedny]

That's a nicely written article, and a crying shame that OnTrack wasn't properly funded and supported. It's exactly the kind of seeding that local and state government should be doing ... instead of handing out sweetheart tax deals to corporations and shady mall owners.

 

[shandeezy7]

That's a nicely written article, and a crying shame that OnTrack wasn't properly funded and supported. It's exactly the kind of seeding that local and state government should be doing ... instead of handing out sweetheart tax deals to corporations and shady mall owners.

I think he's right that if you tried it 5 years ago instead of 25, perhaps it would have gotten the funding and attention that it needed, especially considering the explosion in downtown living coupled with the ever-decreasing number of parking spaces on the Hill, as Mark alluded to.

 

[reedny]

This article provides a nice perspective from an "outsider." I believe he may be from the Rochester area.

Syracuse Is Looking Good

It's just due respect ... Syracuse downtown looks great. Rochester has also seen a return of upscale residential units. There are some great areas on the East side with the cultural district and park avenue. But we haven't been able to crack the downtown code like Syracuse has.

 

[Fly Rodder]

I think he's right that if you tried it 5 years ago instead of 25, perhaps it would have gotten the funding and attention that it needed, especially considering the explosion in downtown living coupled with the ever-decreasing number of parking spaces on the Hill, as Mark alluded to.

Maybe ... they still would need a willing railroad partner.

(also from the article: "The signs still hang in the abandoned Armory Square OnTrack station" isn't accurate. The station is now occupied office space.)

 

[shandeezy7]

Maybe ... they still would need a willing railroad partner.

(also from the article: "The signs still hang in the abandoned Armory Square OnTrack station" isn't accurate. The station is now occupied office space.)

I think he may have meant platform, instead of station. Aren't the signs still hanging on the platform there?

 

[KellySyracuse]

this is big news

Syracuse seizes ruined Developmental Center and 47 acres of land for back taxes

"SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- The city of Syracuse has seized a massive, dilapidated property on the Near West Side that was formerly home to the Syracuse Developmental Center.

The city recorded two tax deeds with the Onondaga County clerk’s office to take title of the property at 800 S. Wilbur Ave. this morning, according to Director of City Initiatives Greg Loh. Those deeds include the 628,808 square-foot building and 47 acres of land."

 

[Cheriehoop]

this is big news

Syracuse seizes ruined Developmental Center and 47 acres of land for back taxes

"SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- The city of Syracuse has seized a massive, dilapidated property on the Near West Side that was formerly home to the Syracuse Developmental Center.

The city recorded two tax deeds with the Onondaga County clerk’s office to take title of the property at 800 S. Wilbur Ave. this morning, according to Director of City Initiatives Greg Loh. Those deeds include the 628,808 square-foot building and 47 acres of land."

It’s too bad that property has been abandoned so long. It has some beautiful grounds attached to it, the zoo is right behind it that had even included baseball fields etc. The buildings if utilized right away could have been converted easily but after all these years I imagine they probably have to be demolished or a massive renovation job. Very desirable property.

 

[KellySyracuse]

It’s too bad that property has been abandoned so long. It has some beautiful grounds attached to it, the zoo is right behind it that had even included baseball fields etc. The buildings if utilized right away could have been converted easily but after all these years I imagine they probably have to be demolished or a massive renovation job. Very desirable property.

I agree that the buildings will likely be razed. I can't recall ever seeing this property, imagine what they can do with 47 acres of open land in the city.

 

[Cheriehoop]

I agree that the buildings will likely be razed. I can't recall ever seeing this property, imagine what they can do with 47 acres of open land in the city.

it’s beautiful with rolling hills behind it which backs up to the zoo and Burnet Park property.

 

[shandeezy7]

this is big news

Syracuse seizes ruined Developmental Center and 47 acres of land for back taxes

"SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- The city of Syracuse has seized a massive, dilapidated property on the Near West Side that was formerly home to the Syracuse Developmental Center.

The city recorded two tax deeds with the Onondaga County clerk’s office to take title of the property at 800 S. Wilbur Ave. this morning, according to Director of City Initiatives Greg Loh. Those deeds include the 628,808 square-foot building and 47 acres of land."

Was this one of the properties caught up in that huge overseas real estate scam, or am I thinking of somewhere else? It's unfortunate that the old State School was raised in the 80's and replaced with the pile of crap that's there now. It could have been a real asset had it been redeveloped/re-purposed.

 

[KellySyracuse]

Was this one of the properties caught up in that huge overseas real estate scam, or am I thinking of somewhere else? It's unfortunate that the old State School was raised in the 80's and replaced with the pile of crap that's there now. It could have been a real asset had it been redeveloped/re-purposed.

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same property, also connected to Felix Sater at one point I believe

 

[Cheriehoop]

The state screwed over the city selling the property to Long Island investors who never paid taxes nor developed the property leaving it to totally decay.

Four years later, former Syracuse Developmental Center may get another chance to develop

The 48-acre city property is expected to be auctioned in bankruptcy court.

www.syracuse.com

 

[OttoMets]

The state screwed over the city selling the property to Long Island investors who never paid taxes nor developed the property leaving it to totally decay.

Four years later, former Syracuse Developmental Center may get another chance to develop

The 48-acre city property is expected to be auctioned in bankruptcy court.

www.syracuse.com

Yes, good point. The state made such a mess of this, it never should have happened this way. This is an underrated thing that the state's gotten better with during the Cuomo administration.

Granted, now the land gets disbursed to cronies who end up under indictment, but at least they're somewhat accountable in terms of paying taxes/PILOTs and getting shovels in the ground.

 

[Fly Rodder]

New family-run Italian eatery/pizzeria opens in Fayetteville

Went there last night ... nice enough joint, I guess they had a cold opening Monday night and opened officially Wednesday night. I'm not an Italian restaurant kind of guy, so YMMV. They did some solid work in there and renovated the space. It had been a while since I had been in there, but it looks nice and they have a well-stocked draft selection in addition to the other bar drinks. It was pretty well packed and the hostess was flustered a little. Service was good for a 2nd night and it should improve as they work out the kinks. The layout is a bit crowded, but there is a nice patio with 5-6 tables.

We had utica greens for an app and two coal-fired pizzas. Either my wife and I have salty palates (which is possible) or the food was under salted a touch. The dough in the pizza seemed to lack that little extra zip. Greens were pretty good, but not spicy enough. Someone at the table nearby complained about the pasta and the waiter explained that it was made fresh and cooked al dente, so maybe the guy is just a philistine used to overcooked mush from Olive Garden. I saw one other person return a plate. Prices are very reasonable considering that it's Fayetteville and other restaurants seem to think that means an automatic 15-20% bump (cough cough, I'm looking at you Craftsman).

 

[FAL]

Went there last night ... nice enough joint, I guess they had a cold opening Monday night and opened officially Wednesday night. I'm not an Italian restaurant kind of guy, so YMMV. They did some solid work in there and renovated the space. It had been a while since I had been in there, but it looks nice and they have a well-stocked draft selection in addition to the other bar drinks. It was pretty well packed and the hostess was flustered a little. Service was good for a 2nd night and it should improve as they work out the kinks. The layout is a bit crowded, but there is a nice patio with 5-6 tables.

We had utica greens for an app and two coal-fired pizzas. Either my wife and I have salty palates (which is possible) or the food was under salted a touch. The dough in the pizza seemed to lack that little extra zip. Greens were pretty good, but not spicy enough. Someone at the table nearby complained about the pasta and the waiter explained that it was made fresh and cooked al dente, so maybe the guy is just a philistine used to overcooked mush from Olive Garden. I saw one other person return a plate. Prices are very reasonable considering that it's Fayetteville and other restaurants seem to think that means an automatic 15-20% bump (cough cough, I'm looking at you Craftsman).

If they get the quality that they churn out at their Liverpool location, they will do quite well.

 

[Cheriehoop]

I remember when the owner lived in the neighborhood, opened a small pizza place in Seneca Mall when it was enclosed and the kids flocked to buy slices of pizza. He’s done very well for himself over the decades and has developed a very loyal following.

 

[shandeezy7]

For our Western suburb board members:

Stella’s Diner planning Camillus location