Development in and Around Syracuse Discussion

[Cheriehoop]

The state screwed over the city selling the property to Long Island investors who never paid taxes nor developed the property leaving it to totally decay.

Four years later, former Syracuse Developmental Center may get another chance to develop

The 48-acre city property is expected to be auctioned in bankruptcy court.

www.syracuse.com

 

[OttoMets]

The state screwed over the city selling the property to Long Island investors who never paid taxes nor developed the property leaving it to totally decay.

Four years later, former Syracuse Developmental Center may get another chance to develop

The 48-acre city property is expected to be auctioned in bankruptcy court.

www.syracuse.com

Yes, good point. The state made such a mess of this, it never should have happened this way. This is an underrated thing that the state's gotten better with during the Cuomo administration.

Granted, now the land gets disbursed to cronies who end up under indictment, but at least they're somewhat accountable in terms of paying taxes/PILOTs and getting shovels in the ground.

 

[Fly Rodder]

New family-run Italian eatery/pizzeria opens in Fayetteville

Went there last night ... nice enough joint, I guess they had a cold opening Monday night and opened officially Wednesday night. I'm not an Italian restaurant kind of guy, so YMMV. They did some solid work in there and renovated the space. It had been a while since I had been in there, but it looks nice and they have a well-stocked draft selection in addition to the other bar drinks. It was pretty well packed and the hostess was flustered a little. Service was good for a 2nd night and it should improve as they work out the kinks. The layout is a bit crowded, but there is a nice patio with 5-6 tables.

We had utica greens for an app and two coal-fired pizzas. Either my wife and I have salty palates (which is possible) or the food was under salted a touch. The dough in the pizza seemed to lack that little extra zip. Greens were pretty good, but not spicy enough. Someone at the table nearby complained about the pasta and the waiter explained that it was made fresh and cooked al dente, so maybe the guy is just a philistine used to overcooked mush from Olive Garden. I saw one other person return a plate. Prices are very reasonable considering that it's Fayetteville and other restaurants seem to think that means an automatic 15-20% bump (cough cough, I'm looking at you Craftsman).

 

[FAL]

Went there last night ... nice enough joint, I guess they had a cold opening Monday night and opened officially Wednesday night. I'm not an Italian restaurant kind of guy, so YMMV. They did some solid work in there and renovated the space. It had been a while since I had been in there, but it looks nice and they have a well-stocked draft selection in addition to the other bar drinks. It was pretty well packed and the hostess was flustered a little. Service was good for a 2nd night and it should improve as they work out the kinks. The layout is a bit crowded, but there is a nice patio with 5-6 tables.

We had utica greens for an app and two coal-fired pizzas. Either my wife and I have salty palates (which is possible) or the food was under salted a touch. The dough in the pizza seemed to lack that little extra zip. Greens were pretty good, but not spicy enough. Someone at the table nearby complained about the pasta and the waiter explained that it was made fresh and cooked al dente, so maybe the guy is just a philistine used to overcooked mush from Olive Garden. I saw one other person return a plate. Prices are very reasonable considering that it's Fayetteville and other restaurants seem to think that means an automatic 15-20% bump (cough cough, I'm looking at you Craftsman).

If they get the quality that they churn out at their Liverpool location, they will do quite well.

 

[Cheriehoop]

I remember when the owner lived in the neighborhood, opened a small pizza place in Seneca Mall when it was enclosed and the kids flocked to buy slices of pizza. He’s done very well for himself over the decades and has developed a very loyal following.

 

[shandeezy7]

For our Western suburb board members:

Stella’s Diner planning Camillus location

 

[shandeezy7]

 

[bballbeadle]

This article provides a nice perspective from an "outsider." I believe he may be from the Rochester area.

Syracuse Is Looking Good

Wow! I had no idea we looked so good!

 

[Ghost]

Wow! I had no idea we looked so good!

I know. Sad. Most of these cities have somewhat lovely downtowns...…..if only James Street could go back in time and not be torn down. Oh well.

Anyway, if someday we could get all the big-box store loving losers hiding out in the suburbs to invest some time shopping at places that don't sell, "LIVE, LAUGH, LOVE" type art, etc...and shopping at independent places downtown, or even independent places in general, imagine how much goodER things could be.

I immediately recoil in terror at any home that has that up.

 

[Eric15]

I remember when the owner lived in the neighborhood, opened a small pizza place in Seneca Mall when it was enclosed and the kids flocked to buy slices of pizza. He’s done very well for himself over the decades and has developed a very loyal following.

Was it called like Johnny Joes or something similar? I very vaguely remember it when I was extremely young in the early-mid 80s.

 

[shandeezy7]

I know. Sad. Most of these cities have somewhat lovely downtowns...…..if only James Street could go back in time and not be torn down. Oh well.

Anyway, if someday we could get all the big-box store loving losers hiding out in the suburbs to invest some time shopping at places that don't sell, "LIVE, LAUGH, LOVE" type art, etc...and shopping at independent places downtown, or even independent places in general, imagine how much goodER things could be.

I immediately recoil in terror at any home that has that up.

Seeing much of "Millionaire's Row" on Delaware Ave in Buffalo still in-tact makes me really sad about what "urban renewal" did to James Street. It could be the city's crown jewel today, but instead is full of half-empty, ugly-looking office buildings.

 

[OttoMets]

I know. Sad. Most of these cities have somewhat lovely downtowns...…..if only James Street could go back in time and not be torn down. Oh well.

Anyway, if someday we could get all the big-box store loving losers hiding out in the suburbs to invest some time shopping at places that don't sell, "LIVE, LAUGH, LOVE" type art, etc...and shopping at independent places downtown, or even independent places in general, imagine how much goodER things could be.

I immediately recoil in terror at any home that has that up.

Haha, but all the independent stores in downtown Syracuse seem to sell only that type of thing.

It is Upstate New York, after all.

 

[Cuseregular]

Was it called like Johnny Joes or something similar? I very vaguely remember it when I was extremely young in the early-mid 80s.

Pizza man, I think

 

[Ghost]

Haha, but all the independent stores in downtown Syracuse seem to sell only that type of thing.

It is Upstate New York, after all.

Fine. You win! lol

 

[Ghost]

Seeing much of "Millionaire's Row" on Delaware Ave in Buffalo still in-tact makes me really sad about what "urban renewal" did to James Street. It could be the city's crown jewel today, but instead is full of half-empty, ugly-looking office buildings.

I know - it would really be an amazing corridor heading out of downtown.

 

[bozophobe]

Re: Seneca Mall pizza - I think it was the site of one of the first Gino & Joe's in the early to mid-80's. Also, the Fay's Drugs store there had some really good security. Many of my fellow teen friends got busted shoplifting there.

 

[Cheriehoop]

Was it called like Johnny Joes or something similar? I very vaguely remember it when I was extremely young in the early-mid 80s.

No it was called Avicolli’s but I think there was another pizza place that had it’s beginning in Seneca Mall too called Gino and Joe’s before Avicolli’s opened in 1983. Gino and Joe’s locations are still open on Old Liverpool Rd and Market Place Mall too.

 

[FAL]

No it was called Avicolli’s but I think there was another pizza place that had it’s beginning in Seneca Mall too called Gino and Joe’s before Avicolli’s opened in 1983. Gino and Joe’s locations are still open on Old Liverpool Rd and Market Place Mall too.

Heaven forbid that you forgot downtown Baldwinsville! Oh the horror!

 

[KellySyracuse]

My parents once left me here when I was about 5 years old, didn't realize it until they stopped at Carroll's on the way home and noticed I wasn't in the way back of the station wagon with my 4 brothers and sister. I remember the store was closing and one of the workers brought me up to the front and sat me on the counter until my Mom came back to get me.

Last Kmart store in Syracuse area to close later this year

 

[KellySyracuse]

no company name yet, good news that it would be 1,000 new jobs. Bad news is the loss of the golf course and the expected traffic to the area. This would be another good reason to get rid of the Thruway tolls between 481 and 57 with the expected changes to Rt 81.

Oh, and they want a PILOT

Giant warehouse with 1,000 jobs planned in Clay, McMahon says

"McMahon said the $280 million project must meet a strict timeline for government approvals or risk being abandoned for a different site.

Trammell Crow is asking for tax subsidies estimated at about $65 million from the Onondaga County Industrial Development Agency. The project also would require a zone change from the town of Clay.

Trammell Crow has asked that OCIDA complete its review by Oct. 31 and that the town of Clay approve the zone change by mid-November, McMahon said. The company also wants to have all site approvals completed in time to begin construction in the spring of 2020, he said."

 

[shandeezy7]

no company name yet, good news that it would be 1,000 new jobs. Bad news is the loss of the golf course and the expected traffic to the area. This would be another good reason to get rid of the Thruway tolls between 481 and 57 with the expected changes to Rt 81.

Oh, and they want a PILOT

Giant warehouse with 1,000 jobs planned in Clay, McMahon says

"McMahon said the $280 million project must meet a strict timeline for government approvals or risk being abandoned for a different site.

Trammell Crow is asking for tax subsidies estimated at about $65 million from the Onondaga County Industrial Development Agency. The project also would require a zone change from the town of Clay.

Trammell Crow has asked that OCIDA complete its review by Oct. 31 and that the town of Clay approve the zone change by mid-November, McMahon said. The company also wants to have all site approvals completed in time to begin construction in the spring of 2020, he said."

Hope it works out, but I'll believe it when I see it. The golf course has been slated for development a few times now, I think, including most recently there were plans for a new housing development in there that fell through.

 

[OttoMets]

no company name yet, good news that it would be 1,000 new jobs. Bad news is the loss of the golf course and the expected traffic to the area. This would be another good reason to get rid of the Thruway tolls between 481 and 57 with the expected changes to Rt 81.

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Not sure if the location is glass half-full or not. Loss of green space is a shame, but at least this is more or less an inner-ring suburb. (I'm glad that this isn't planned for, say, that absurd White Oak boondoggle way up north.) Morgan Road really isn't walkable for low-income workers, but I believe there's at least some Centro service up there.

So this could be worse. And at least this is what OCIDA is supposed to be incentivizing (rather than crappy retail plazas in outer Camillus or hotel or apartment projects in the city).

 

[Fly Rodder]

Sure would like to see some action on Thompson Road/Carrier Circle ... that place seems prime for some warehouse work.

 

[KellySyracuse]

so what are the possibilities it's a distribution center for Amazon or Walmart? For 1,000 new jobs I'm thinking it has to be one of the big players that is looking to be centrally located near the Thruway and 81.

 

[FAL]

so what are the possibilities it's a distribution center for Amazon or Walmart? For 1,000 new jobs I'm thinking it has to be one of the big players that is looking to be centrally located near the Thruway and 81.

What a sweet spot for a warehouse, though...literally right around the corner from the Liverpool Thruway entrance. I would not be at all surprised if they dropped the toll from there to the I-81 (481?) ramp(s) as you commented about earlier. Let’s see what happens...