Development in and Around Syracuse Discussion

[FAL]

What we we rename the actual city of Amsterdam, NY?

East Amsterdam, of course!

 

[CusefanATL]

What we we rename the actual city of Amsterdam, NY?

Why not Syracuse?

 

[reedny]

Why is the bridge a bad idea? 100 feet up seems high enough to remove the visual barrier. Trees and parks underneath sound pretty good (if it happens), especially to include bike lanes. TBH the aesthetics don't look that horrible, at least to an out-of-towner.

 

[xc84]

Why not Syracuse?

Or East Syracuse!

 

[xc84]

Why is the bridge a bad idea? 100 feet up seems high enough to remove the visual barrier. Trees and parks underneath sound pretty good (if it happens), especially to include bike lanes. TBH the concept doesn't look that horrible, at least to an out-of-towner.

takes up a lot of real estate (it's not like you can build anything underneath it or would want to). It's not a lot different than the current 81 in all aspects except the pretty cables and height in the middle.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Why is the bridge a bad idea? 100 feet up seems high enough to remove the visual barrier. Trees and parks underneath sound pretty good (if it happens), especially to include bike lanes. TBH the aesthetics don't look that horrible, at least to an out-of-towner.

It would use up a lot of real estate that is being occupied right now. Something that big would require even more condemnation and eminent domain than the earlier proposal from the Congel group, which I believe required 27 properties to be demolished in order to make the turns and width of highway NHTS compliant. This would probably bring that total closer to 40.

 

[maxxyz]

Why is the bridge a bad idea? 100 feet up seems high enough to remove the visual barrier. Trees and parks underneath sound pretty good (if it happens), especially to include bike lanes. TBH the aesthetics don't look that horrible, at least to an out-of-towner.

It would use up a lot of real estate that is being occupied right now. Something that big would require even more condemnation and eminent domain than the earlier proposal from the Congel group, which I believe required 27 properties to be demolished in order to make the turns and width of highway NHTS compliant. This would probably bring that total closer to 40.

It aggravates the already awful effects of an elevated highway on the urban population.

 

[rocklloyd]

I like it! Trussle bridge! My least favorite type of bridge, but why not. I can see people driving from miles around to see it and experience it.

Listen, I can fix Syracuse in four easy steps:

One, put the Erie Canal back in - then rebrand as the Amsterdam of Upstate, add more canals later. Stop referring to Syracuse as the "Salt City" and distance yourselves from salt potatoes...nobody likes salt. The tide has turned...diabetes.
Two, light rail! Also, build a wall and keep out the suburban people that hate the environment and make us waste all that money on needless infrastructure to support their awful wasteful lifestyles.
Three, purge.
Four, do that community grid thing, and build more fountains. People like fountains.

Profit.

You forgot about gondolas.

 

[Ghost]

You forgot about gondolas.

A fellow visionary!

 

[KellySyracuse]

Haven't read the article yet just the headline but I'm all for this option. Reduce to 2 lanes and make the speed limit 35mph. Install bike and walking lanes by the lake. Please make it so

NY plan would reduce Onondaga Lake Parkway to two lanes

The proposal is part of an $8.6 million plan that the New York State Department of Transportation will unveil at an open house Thursday evening.

www.syracuse.com

 

[shandeezy7]

Haven't read the article yet just the headline but I'm all for this option. Reduce to 2 lanes and make the speed limit 35mph. Install bike and walking lanes by the lake. Please make it so

NY plan would reduce Onondaga Lake Parkway to two lanes

The proposal is part of an $8.6 million plan that the New York State Department of Transportation will unveil at an open house Thursday evening.

www.syracuse.com

The Liverpool NIMBY's are going to LOSE THEIR COLLECTIVE MINDS.

 

[xc84]

The Liverpool NIMBY's are going to LOSE THEIR COLLECTIVE MINDS.

There is no easy solution but why hasn't CSX been requested to fix this danger? Doesn't anyone sue them for having an obviously dangerous bridge?

 

[Cusefan0307]

Nobody mentioned Empire closing and new management taking over?

Meier's Creek Brewing Company doesn't sound like a special brand, but what do I know.

 

[OttoMets]

The Liverpool NIMBY's are going to LOSE THEIR COLLECTIVE MINDS.

But but but traffic on Old Liverpool Road, they'll sputter.

Never mind that they chose to live way up there and rely on cars to access the city with the knowledge that the county and the state have been playing hot potato with this road (with an eye toward shutting it down or reducing lanes) for decades. This lane reduction almost happened five years ago, and I expect it to go through this time. Lipstick on a pig, but probably a functional improvement.

My pipe dream:

1) Reduce lanes through the village;
2) Remove the OLP north of the railroad bridge and create parkland;
3) Enhance Old Liverpool Road with curbs, cycle track, and dedicated bus lane;
4) Enhance OLP south of railroad bridge as a two-lane Park Street extension with a terminus at Old Liverpool Road near former LeMoyne Manor; and
5) Sell residential building lots on the east side of this new Park Street extension, facing the park and the lake, and extend East Shore Recreation Trail along west (lake) side of street.

This would create a continuous stretch of complementary parkland and development between the Regional Market neighborhood and the village of Liverpool, finally embracing the lakefront in a pleasant, people-centric way.

 

[Cusefan0307]

There is no easy solution but why hasn't CSX been requested to fix this danger? Doesn't anyone sue them for having an obviously dangerous bridge?

Probably more expensive to replace the bridge than do this and I would imagine CSX would ask for money because it's not their problem. People are hitting their bridge.

When I lived on Tipp Hill trucks used to hit the Railroad Bridge over West Genesee all the time.

The DOT then lowered the road about 5 years ago. They can't do that on the Parkway because of the Lake and water table.

 

[KellySyracuse]

Nobody mentioned Empire closing and new management taking over?

Meier's Creek Brewing Company doesn't sound like a special brand, but what do I know.

I was going to post it yesterday, the whole saga makes me sad.

 

[xc84]

Probably more expensive to replace the bridge than do this and I would imagine CSX would ask for money because it's not their problem. People are hitting their bridge.

When I lived on Tipp Hill trucks used to hit the Railroad Bridge over West Genesee all the time.

The DOT then lowered the road about 5 years ago. They can't do that on the Parkway because of the Lake and water table.

Yes, people are hitting the bridge because of its unsafe height.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Nobody mentioned Empire closing and new management taking over?

Meier's Creek Brewing Company doesn't sound like a special brand, but what do I know.

Feldmeier is pretty good at making stainless steel tanks ... beer, well, it's a maturing industry, so good luck to them. That Farm Brewery was always pretty packed. The food wasn't great, but the space is.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Yes, people are hitting the bridge because of its unsafe height.

I don't know the history of it. Has the Parkway always been there? I didn't move to Syracuse until 2003 and grew up in the Mohawk Valley.

 

[OttoMets]

I don't know the history of it. Has the Parkway always been there? I didn't move to Syracuse until 2003 and grew up in the Mohawk Valley.

Like a lot of similar roads around the country, it was built as a low-speed pleasure route to show off a new park.

Like a lot of similar roads, suburban sprawl led to commuter demand for increased throughput, which created a vicious cycle that prioritized speed at the expense of park viability and, arguably, driver safety.

 

[shandeezy7]

I don't know the history of it. Has the Parkway always been there? I didn't move to Syracuse until 2003 and grew up in the Mohawk Valley.

It used to be the Oswego Canal before it was filled in and the parkway was built:

 

[shandeezy7]

The parkway was built in the late 20's/early 30's I believe

 

[KellySyracuse]

Yes, people are hitting the bridge because of its unsafe height.

I thought I read they can't raise the bridge because the trains will not be able to go fast enough to go up a hill/higher bridge.

 

[shandeezy7]

Sorry, these old pictures are really interesting to me

 

[sufandu]

I thought I read they can't raise the bridge because the trains will not be able to go fast enough to go up a hill/higher bridge.

It's that it has to be a gradual grade to accommodate any new height. That means it's more complicated than just raising the bridge. They would have to regrade the railroad tracks for a couple miles on either side of the bridge.

The people hitting it are morons that choose not to read. Most of them are commercial drivers. Anyone with a CDL knows you are responsible for knowing the height of your vehicle and anything that could be an obstruction. There are plenty of huge bright signs that alert these drivers to what's ahead.