Development in and Around Syracuse Discussion

[shandeezy7]

I don't know the history of it. Has the Parkway always been there? I didn't move to Syracuse until 2003 and grew up in the Mohawk Valley.

It used to be the Oswego Canal before it was filled in and the parkway was built:

 

[shandeezy7]

The parkway was built in the late 20's/early 30's I believe

 

[KellySyracuse]

Yes, people are hitting the bridge because of its unsafe height.

I thought I read they can't raise the bridge because the trains will not be able to go fast enough to go up a hill/higher bridge.

 

[shandeezy7]

Sorry, these old pictures are really interesting to me

 

[sufandu]

I thought I read they can't raise the bridge because the trains will not be able to go fast enough to go up a hill/higher bridge.

It's that it has to be a gradual grade to accommodate any new height. That means it's more complicated than just raising the bridge. They would have to regrade the railroad tracks for a couple miles on either side of the bridge.

The people hitting it are morons that choose not to read. Most of them are commercial drivers. Anyone with a CDL knows you are responsible for knowing the height of your vehicle and anything that could be an obstruction. There are plenty of huge bright signs that alert these drivers to what's ahead.

 

[shandeezy7]

It's that it has to be a gradual grade to accommodate any new height. That means it's more complicated than just raising the bridge. They would have to regrade the railroad tracks for a couple miles on either side of the bridge.

The people hitting it are morons that choose not to read. Most of them are commercial drivers. Anyone with a CDL knows you are responsible to knowing the height of your vehicle and anything that could be an obstruction. There are plenty of huge bright signs that alert these drivers to what's ahead.

Seems as though if you hit a bridge like that, your CDL should either be suspended or revoked. I'd vote for revoked just because if you miss 25 warning signs and still hit that bridge, you're a danger on the road.

 

[Mareiniss]

... The people hitting it are morons that choose not to read. Most of them are commercial drivers. Anyone with a CDL knows you are responsible to knowing the height of your vehicle and anything that could be an obstruction. There are plenty of huge bright signs that alert these drivers to what's ahead.

I agree with this comment. Also, commercial vehicles have been banned from the OLP since 2011, so the truck drivers who hit the bridge should not have been on the parkway to begin with.

 

[kirbivore]

It's that it has to be a gradual grade to accommodate any new height. That means it's more complicated than just raising the bridge. They would have to regrade the railroad tracks for a couple miles on either side of the bridge.

The people hitting it are morons that choose not to read. Most of them are commercial drivers. Anyone with a CDL knows you are responsible to knowing the height of your vehicle and anything that could be an obstruction. There are plenty of huge bright signs that alert these drivers to what's ahead.

just hang a bar from the warning sign like you see at parking garages and fast food drive thrus that is the same as the bridge height. You hit the bar, you have to turn around

 

[OrangeXtreme]

The Parkway is designated as State Route 370.

State/Interstate Highways are usually truck friendly.

If you designate Old Liverpool Road as Rte 370, almost all of this goes away.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Nobody mentioned Empire closing and new management taking over?

Meier's Creek Brewing Company doesn't sound like a special brand, but what do I know.

I have some connections to Empire. The restaurant downtown got stale. David complained in the paper about his rent tripling, but dude, your restaurant is in a basement. Go someplace else downtown. His lawyer, who I also know, did a truly shtty job allowing him to sign the lease with the new landlord.

As for the Cazenovia farm brewery, well, the tax credits didn't make up for a lack of foot traffic. It is a gorgeous location, but a bit out of the way. Good staff there, too. But he spent way too much money building it, and now with so much competition in craft beers, they are taking a beating. It's quite surprising to me, honestly, because they command so much shelf space and have a great relationship with their distributor.

But as a business owner, no matter how good your beer is, or how great your distribution is, you can't let yourself get in over your head in debt. This is the second time he's gone bankrupt, having failed in the downtown location back in the early oh-oh's before reopening.

 

[Fly Rodder]

But as a business owner, no matter how good your beer is, or how great your distribution is, you can't let yourself get in over your head in debt. This is the second time he's gone bankrupt, having failed in the downtown location back in the early oh-oh's before reopening.

I never thought their beer was that good. The amber was decent, but the rest of the lineup wasn't particularly interesting or notable.

I may not have the best beer palate, but I know that I'm not the only one among my friends, one of whom works as a distributor, who felt that way. Personally, I feel that Southern Tier is the local-ish brewery turning out some of the best beers with respect to quality and flavor.

 

[OttoMets]

The Parkway is designated as State Route 370.

State/Interstate Highways are usually truck friendly.

If you designate Old Liverpool Road as Rte 370, almost all of this goes away.

Then the county takes control, and the county does not want that liability.

NYSDOT's tried this exchange in the past. No luck.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I have some connections to Empire. The restaurant downtown got stale. David complained in the paper about his rent tripling, but dude, your restaurant is in a basement. Go someplace else downtown. His lawyer, who I also know, did a truly shtty job allowing him to sign the lease with the new landlord.

As for the Cazenovia farm brewery, well, the tax credits didn't make up for a lack of foot traffic. It is a gorgeous location, but a bit out of the way. Good staff there, too. But he spent way too much money building it, and now with so much competition in craft beers, they are taking a beating. It's quite surprising to me, honestly, because they command so much shelf space and have a great relationship with their distributor.

But as a business owner, no matter how good your beer is, or how great your distribution is, you can't let yourself get in over your head in debt. This is the second time he's gone bankrupt, having failed in the downtown location back in the early oh-oh's before reopening.

Agree with all of that. We love IBU, Willow Rock, Middle Ages and if I am going to go a bit farther we will go to Beer Tree in Port Crane. All have better products.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Then the county takes control, and the county does not want that liability.

NYSDOT's tried this exchange in the past. No luck.

Sharks with friggin laser beams. It's the only answer.

 

[longtimefan]

I have some connections to Empire. The restaurant downtown got stale. David complained in the paper about his rent tripling, but dude, your restaurant is in a basement. Go someplace else downtown. His lawyer, who I also know, did a truly shtty job allowing him to sign the lease with the new landlord.

As for the Cazenovia farm brewery, well, the tax credits didn't make up for a lack of foot traffic. It is a gorgeous location, but a bit out of the way. Good staff there, too. But he spent way too much money building it, and now with so much competition in craft beers, they are taking a beating. It's quite surprising to me, honestly, because they command so much shelf space and have a great relationship with their distributor.

But as a business owner, no matter how good your beer is, or how great your distribution is, you can't let yourself get in over your head in debt. This is the second time he's gone bankrupt, having failed in the downtown location back in the early oh-oh's before reopening.

A few more bankruptcies and he'll be ready to run for high public office.

 

[xc84]

I thought I read they can't raise the bridge because the trains will not be able to go fast enough to go up a hill/higher bridge.

I think they can but it would be expensive. It means if they raise the bridge they need to raise the tracks earlier (maybe starting miles before the bridge) so it is not as steep as it otherwise would be.

 

[KellySyracuse]

Welcome to Syracuse Amazon

Big distribution center project in Clay gets final OK

The town planning board's site plan approval gives the project the green light.

www.syracuse.com

"Logistics experts and many people in the community believe the tenant will be Amazon, the world’s largest online retailer, because of the tremendous size of the building. Trammell Crow has said only that it is being designed to fit the needs of e-commerce companies and retailers.

Laigaie said Wednesday night the company plans to seek construction bids in a few weeks. Once it gets those bids, it will be able to let potential tenants know what the rental rates will be for the facility. He said he expects the company to sign a lease and announce the tenant in the first quarter of 2020.

“So many people want to know,” he said. “We’d like people to know, too. We’d like to know.”

Though the project is receiving substantial tax breaks, it will pay $28 million in property taxes over the 15-year payment-in-lieu-of-tax agreement it has with the industrial development agency. That’s 35 times the taxes that would be paid on the property if it remained a golf course.

 

[DownTheField]

Welcome to Syracuse Amazon

Big distribution center project in Clay gets final OK

The town planning board's site plan approval gives the project the green light.

www.syracuse.com

"Logistics experts and many people in the community believe the tenant will be Amazon, the world’s largest online retailer, because of the tremendous size of the building. Trammell Crow has said only that it is being designed to fit the needs of e-commerce companies and retailers.

Laigaie said Wednesday night the company plans to seek construction bids in a few weeks. Once it gets those bids, it will be able to let potential tenants know what the rental rates will be for the facility. He said he expects the company to sign a lease and announce the tenant in the first quarter of 2020.

“So many people want to know,” he said. “We’d like people to know, too. We’d like to know.”

Though the project is receiving substantial tax breaks, it will pay $28 million in property taxes over the 15-year payment-in-lieu-of-tax agreement it has with the industrial development agency. That’s 35 times the taxes that would be paid on the property if it remained a golf course.

It’s definitely Amazon right? There have been a bunch of recent commercials about how great it is to work in an Amazon factory. I’m assuming those are local ads.

 

[KellySyracuse]

It’s definitely Amazon right? There have been a bunch of recent commercials about how great it is to work in an Amazon factory. I’m assuming those are local ads.

It hasn't yet been announced who the tenant is but Amazon is the general consensus given the size of the building. I've seen those ads too and was wondering the same.

 

[bozophobe]

Most of the jobs seem to be of the 30K/year variety. If you marry/shack up with a co-worker, you might be able to get a (very) modest house within a few miles, and lease a Kia every 4 years on that 60K. Channel 9 news just reported on a study addressing this. Eat at Quizno's now and then (is that still there?). On your own, you'll have to hope there are vacancies at Brookwood/Plymouth/Candlelight. Or chill with the fairly congenial college graduates, Gold's Gym stalwarts and former Dave Matthews fans at Grenadier.

Lived all over that area. In the middle 90's, most of the tenants were singles in their 20's like me. A little over a decade later, many places were dominated by families who had lost their houses.

 

[KellySyracuse]

Most of the jobs seem to be of the 30K/year variety. If you marry/shack up with a co-worker, you might be able to get a (very) modest house within a few miles, and lease a Kia every 4 years on that 60K. Channel 9 news just reported on a study addressing this. Eat at Quizno's now and then (is that still there?). On your own, you'll have to hope there are vacancies at Brookwood/Plymouth/Candlelight. Or chill with the fairly congenial college graduates, Gold's Gym stalwarts and former Dave Matthews fans at Grenadier.

Lived all over that area. In the middle 90's, most of the tenants were singles in their 20's like me. A little over a decade later, many places were dominated by families who had lost their houses.

Owning a home in the city proper is affordable given the property tax rate but you won't be living high on the hog making $30k a year unless there are two income earners. It's not a lot of money but it comes with benefits and it's better than minimum wage.

 

[FAL]

Most of the jobs seem to be of the 30K/year variety. If you marry/shack up with a co-worker, you might be able to get a (very) modest house within a few miles, and lease a Kia every 4 years on that 60K. Channel 9 news just reported on a study addressing this. Eat at Quizno's now and then (is that still there?). On your own, you'll have to hope there are vacancies at Brookwood/Plymouth/Candlelight. Or chill with the fairly congenial college graduates, Gold's Gym stalwarts and former Dave Matthews fans at Grenadier.

Lived all over that area. In the middle 90's, most of the tenants were singles in their 20's like me. A little over a decade later, many places were dominated by families who had lost their houses.

So what about people who are presently making minimum wage or a a bit more? The unemployed? First-time job seekers? I would think 30K sounds pretty good to them. Or should they take a pass and be content with their present situation?

 

[bozophobe]

Owning a home in the city proper is affordable given the property tax rate but you won't be living high on the hog making $30k a year unless there are two income earners. It's not a lot of money but it comes with benefits and it's better than minimum wage.

Yeah. It might be a positive overall, but those tax sacrifices are pretty significant. And the deal expires, eventually. And those Liverpool High golf club kids will have to practice their chip shots elsewhere...

 

[bozophobe]

So what about people who are presently making minimum wage or a a bit more? The unemployed? First-time job seekers? I would think 30K sounds pretty good to them. Or should they take a pass and be content with their present situation?

I support the place. And I have never made more than 30K. Still, yet another relative of mine just went from a crappy night food prep job at $11 to a job paying twice that - just for taking a 6-month course in an in-demand industry.

 

[KellySyracuse]

Yeah. It might be a positive overall, but those tax sacrifices are pretty significant. And the deal expires, eventually. And those Liverpool High golf club kids will have to practice their chip shots elsewhere...

it's more in property tax then what the current owners are paying and while I understand the dismay of having to move the Liverpool golf team to another course, with the amount of $$ I pay in school tax they could build their own course.