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IthacaMatt said:
Only SIX parking spaces for a building with 47 apartments ???
I hope they make them redo it, just for that reason alone.
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Minimum parking requirements are antiquated and being shown the door in cities across the country. These cities are already showing exceptional results in just a few years since doing away with these policies.

e360.yale.edu

How Parking Reform Is Helping Transform American Cities

In cities across the U.S., planners are pushing to eliminate mandates requiring parking spaces in new buildings. The reforms — along with banning street parking or adding meters — help to reduce car dependency, create public and green spaces, and lower housing costs.
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www.sightline.org

Big Reforms, Big Growth: Buffalo’s Parking Rewrite Pays Off | Sightline Institute

A Q&A with one of the planners behind the mid-sized NY city’s successes.
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parkingreform.org

A new way to look at costly parking mandates - Parking Reform Network

In 2015, Strong Towns led a landmark campaign in the fight to end costly parking mandates by developing a crowdsourced map of cities that have eliminated minimum parking requirements.
parkingreform.org parkingreform.org
 
shandeezy7 said:
Minimum parking requirements are antiquated and being shown the door in cities across the country. These cities are already showing exceptional results in just a few years since doing away with these policies.

e360.yale.edu

How Parking Reform Is Helping Transform American Cities

In cities across the U.S., planners are pushing to eliminate mandates requiring parking spaces in new buildings. The reforms — along with banning street parking or adding meters — help to reduce car dependency, create public and green spaces, and lower housing costs.
e360.yale.edu e360.yale.edu

www.sightline.org

Big Reforms, Big Growth: Buffalo’s Parking Rewrite Pays Off | Sightline Institute

A Q&A with one of the planners behind the mid-sized NY city’s successes.
www.sightline.org www.sightline.org

parkingreform.org

A new way to look at costly parking mandates - Parking Reform Network

In 2015, Strong Towns led a landmark campaign in the fight to end costly parking mandates by developing a crowdsourced map of cities that have eliminated minimum parking requirements.
parkingreform.org parkingreform.org
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You need to redesign streets, pedestrian access and educate people about the laws for pedestrians, bicyclists etc to help decrease the large increase in pedestrian/bicycle accidents, particularly in low income and school areas. You mentioned Buffalo in your links and they pushed specific state legislation to address the problems that the rapid increase in walking, bicycling accidents has created. Syracuse has had a large increase in pedestrian and bicycle fatalities too. Sadly for every action, there’s a reaction too. With decreased parking it results in even more cars parked on streets, more walkers, bicyclists thus reducing visibility and space.
gobikebuffalo.org

BIG PROBLEM: Since 2017, cars have hit walkers and cyclists this many times.

GObike promotes active mobility options, trails and greenways, and complete streets throughout Western New York.
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gobikebuffalo.org

State Officials Introduce Vehicular Violence Accountability Act

2019 has been a dangerous year for Buffalo-Niagara cyclists. Across the nation, pedestrian and bicyclist deaths are at all-time highs. State officials have introduced the Vehicular Violence Accountability Act to hold drivers more accountable, remove privileges from dangerous drivers, and …
gobikebuffalo.org gobikebuffalo.org
 
Cheriehoop said:
You need to redesign streets, pedestrian access and educate people about the laws for pedestrians, bicyclists etc to help decrease the large increase in pedestrian/bicycle accidents, particularly in low income and school areas. You mentioned Buffalo in your links and they pushed specific state legislation to address the problems that the rapid increase in walking, bicycling accidents has created. Syracuse has had a large increase in pedestrian and bicycle fatalities too. Sadly for every action, there’s a reaction too. With decreased parking it results in even more cars parked on streets, more walkers, bicyclists thus reducing visibility and space.
gobikebuffalo.org

BIG PROBLEM: Since 2017, cars have hit walkers and cyclists this many times.

GObike promotes active mobility options, trails and greenways, and complete streets throughout Western New York.
gobikebuffalo.org gobikebuffalo.org
gobikebuffalo.org

State Officials Introduce Vehicular Violence Accountability Act

2019 has been a dangerous year for Buffalo-Niagara cyclists. Across the nation, pedestrian and bicyclist deaths are at all-time highs. State officials have introduced the Vehicular Violence Accountability Act to hold drivers more accountable, remove privileges from dangerous drivers, and …
gobikebuffalo.org gobikebuffalo.org
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I'm sorry, but I do not connect increased car-bike/pedestrian accidents on abolishing required parking minimums. I've lived in Buffalo for a decade (before the parking minimum rule was changed). I lived in the Elmwood Village, which had/has cars parked on every single street up and down it. The actual problem that needs to be addressed is the enforcement of current traffic laws.

I feared for my life every single time I went out for a run in my neighborhood, and it wasn't because of the cars parked on the street. It was because of the people running red lights (literally every light that turned red would have at least one car speed through it), the excessive speeding (cars going 50+ mph in 30 mph zones) and the general recklessness of drivers. And never once would you see a car get pulled over - even when doing these things literally in front of a cop. People know they won't get pulled over regardless of what they do, so of course they will be more reckless and of course pedestrians and cyclists are going to be the ones to pay the price.

Sure, bad design plays a part in things. But watch what happens when municipalities try to re-design streets to be more pedestrian/bike friendly. People LOSE THEIR MINDS, because we are such a car culture that we can't fathom anyone getting preferential treatment over our precious automobiles. For the last 50 years, we've designed cities through transit that caters exclusively to the automobile, and then wonder why more and more people die.
 
xc84 said:
With the recent Amazon out there, they have been on borrowed time
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Sure, but the economics of how they operate malls has always been based around entertainment and restaurants, which they still feature, not jut pure retail. That's what keeps people there, and extends their visit.

The other thing they used to do is try to create "neighborhoods" of similar stores targeted to similar customers. So the young mother used to have Baby Gap, Gymboree, Gap, the Disney Store and Build-a-Bear Workshop all in the same general area of the mall, to increase the likelihood of cross purchasing.

They were innovators at this stuff, but yeah, retail has been in big trouble ever since COVID. It was trending that was for a while, but COVID really accelerated things.
 
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IthacaMatt said:
Sure, but the economics of how they operate malls has always been based around entertainment and restaurants, which they still feature, not jut pure retail. That's what keeps people there, and extends their visit.

The other thing they used to do is try to create "neighborhoods" of similar stores targeted to similar customers. So the young mother used to have Baby Gap, Gymboree, Gap, the Disney Store and Build-a-Bear Workshop all in the same genera area of the mall, to increase the likelihood of cross purchasing.

They were innovators at this stuff, but yeah, retail has been in big trouble ever since COVID. It was trending that was for a while, but COVID really accelerated things.
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When malls started, they relied on pretty much all retail with a few restaurants . Later, food courts were created to help keep people there. Entertainment was added as consumers found less reason to go to malls to shop. With online shopping taking over, malls are dead. Covid has been over for a while but no one needs to go to the mall anymore. They are obsolete.
 
TexanMark said:
Destiny I bet will be redevolped with housing along with retail and entertainment
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It is the only way it will survive. Housing is desperately needed, convert to apartments and condos with a mix of retail and entertainment. Whoever ends up owning the property will likely seek those modifications.
 
KellySyracuse said:
It is the only way it will survive. Housing is desperately needed, convert to apartments and condos with a mix of retail and entertainment. Whoever ends up owning the property will likely seek those modifications.
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Are there examples of eclosed malls being converted to housing? I have never heard of any. Malls have a lot of wasted space to be maintained and heated
 
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xc84 said:
Are there examples of eclosed malls being converted to housing? I have never heard of any. Malls have a lot of wasted space to be maintained and heated
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Not that I'm aware of, old malls are usually abandoned. The property where Destiny is won't be abandoned, maybe eventually the building will get razed. Hard to believe that it can't be refitted to housing and retail but I'm not an engineer or architect so maybe it's not feasible.
 
You’d think that around here that shoppingtown mall that’s been closed for ages, should have already been repurposed. Lots of legalities seem to be constant roadblocks to getting anything done. Saw this old article from 2016 about the oldest mall in the US which was in Rhode Island and how it was repurposed. Pretty darn small apartments though.

 
xc84 said:
When malls started, they relied on pretty much all retail with a few restaurants . Later, food courts were created to help keep people there. Entertainment was added as consumers found less reason to go to malls to shop. With online shopping taking over, malls are dead. Covid has been over for a while but no one needs to go to the mall anymore. They are obsolete.
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I remember they had at least one major department store, movies and the type of restaurant you'd go to wherever it was to draw people in. Then the restaurant became a food court. Now theatrical movies are dying and so are brick and mortar stores. And the crime rate at Destiny makes people want to avoid it anyway. It will become a ghetto.
 
shandeezy7 said:
Not development, but my home. One of the great, unique neighborhoods in the city:

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I follow that page, he does a wonderful job showing the city off.

I love the area where you live, I didn't live far from there when I was in college and loved driving through there. It's really beautiful and it's amazing the higher up you go.
 
two3zone said:
I follow that page, he does a wonderful job showing the city off.

I love the area where you live, I didn't live far from there when I was in college and loved driving through there. It's really beautiful and it's amazing the higher up you go.
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It really is a beautiful neighborhood. I don't currently live there, but my parents still do, so I'm there often when I'm in town. I'm in the market for a home in Syracuse though, and I always keep my eyes peeled on the neighborhood.
 
xc84 said:
When malls started, they relied on pretty much all retail with a few restaurants . Later, food courts were created to help keep people there. Entertainment was added as consumers found less reason to go to malls to shop. With online shopping taking over, malls are dead. Covid has been over for a while but no one needs to go to the mall anymore. They are obsolete.
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Not completely obsolete, but their glory day has passed. People still prefer a place where they can physically experience goods before they buy them, or take them to be serviced, whether it's watches, returning clothes that don't fit, or fixing appliances.
 
IthacaMatt said:
Not completely obsolete, but their glory day has passed. People still prefer a place where they can physically experience goods before they buy them, or take them to be serviced, whether it's watches, returning clothes that don't fit, or fixing appliances.
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What mall is doing well where "people prefer a place where they can physically experience goods before they buy them"? I go to a mall about once per 2 years so it is not me. Is the mall in Ithaca doing well? The old Pyramid Mall?
 
xc84 said:
What mall is doing well where "people prefer a place where they can physically experience goods before they buy them"? I go to a mall about once per 2 years so it is not me. Is the mall in Ithaca doing well? The old Pyramid Mall?
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I think just the theatre is open.

Target is always popping though.
 
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